robi
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My other wants me to see a psychiatrist I already see a good therapist. She just wantbe to be evaluat for anti-deprssants even though I don't want to take them. Iamwilling t go to the appontment but I am wondering what the insurance implications down the line will be. Could they say " this is all depression" ? The refuse my abx treament?
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Hey Robi Did you have a positive WB? Do you see an LLMD who has given you a + LD dx?
If either of those are the case, then the insurance co can not decide to be your Dr.
Also, does your LLMd know about your"depression" and recomend that you see a psychiatrist? Does your alternative doc have any recomendations?
I know I'm asking a lot of question...I hope it helps you sort things out.
the other thing I would be concerned abt with treating "depression" is the harmful use of anti-depressant meds. There are many links about the difficulties that others have had coming off of SSRI's. I have taken them myself , before LD dx, and found the experience very uncomfortable.
It might be wise before consulting a psychiatrist to touch base with your LLMD...let them know of you and your others concerns. See if things can be improved with a change in Rx ,suppliments, exercise, of lifestyle. Maybe a break, or different type of detox, or a conection to an activity that gives you a change of venue can help...
Again, I'm throwing ideas out. I hope this helps. Glad to see you here, hope you get over this hurdle!
The other obvious question is, "Do you have any obvious G.I. issues?"
Everyone knows that long-term antibiotic use is very hard on the stomach. If you are not absorbing protein from food your body will not be able to make the neurotransmitters it needs as it will not have the supply of the raw ingredients it needs to do this.
You can have your amino acid levels tested and then take supplements to balance things out. This would be a long term solution and not just a quick fix take a pill and cover up the symptom kind of thing.
I agree that insurance companies and disability reviewers are not God but they can and will try to make things difficult based on hubby's experience. He did not have a diagnosis and went the anxiety/depression route for 1 1/2 years before Lyme treatment and he still has to justify that today.
4 psychiatric admissions did not cure him -- the psychotropic meds gave him more side-effects on top of the Lyme symptoms -- he just continued getting sicker and sicker as the neurologists and other specialists would say if you have depression you need to be on antidepressants for life. Please don't let yourself get caught up in this downward spiral.
Nutrition is the key -- works better than a drug anytime.
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Bea Seibert
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Kara Tyson
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I read an article a few years ago by a Psychiatrist who told his patients never to file insurance.
According to this Dr., it will be noted that you are mentally ill by the insurance company--even if you are not diagnosed.
Marnie
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NOT.
Find a good psych oriented nutritionist.
Get your neurotransmitters and neurohormone levels checked asap. Results must be sent to a doctor. Neuroscience in Wis. is one possible lab. Contact them. They are on the internet. After testing, they will recommend which natural substances can be taken to raise any low levels of the neurotransmitters...to correct the imbalance.
Go the natural route...instead of SSRIs....IMO. In the long run...much safer.
Example: The natural route says to the body: here are the ingredients to make serotonin...use it or take them and make niacin instead.
The SSRIs say...you don't have enough serotonin...we're not going to let it go back in storage, we're gonna keep it circulating all the time.
Give the body the choice when it wants the level up and when it wants the level down. Give it the nutrients and let it decide.
This pathogen depletes the neurotransmitter acetylcholine which impacts serotonin -> melatonin and dopamine.
You gotta have proof first. Get the levels tested. Your insurance may/may not cover. If you have to pay...it is worth every cent.
Docs will be confused and not know what to do when they see serotonin AND dopamine down. This isn't "supposed to happen".
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GiGi
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Robi, unless you detox your body, the ligand sites of the hormone producing cells, the limbic system where your moods/depression/ emotions are home-based - you will need all these bandaids people are talking about.
You can put into your body all you can afford - the most sophisticated mix of missing amino acids and the rest - you will be swinging back and forth feeling good and horrible until you finally clear out the neurotoxins - mainly the heavy metals.
I am telling you this because removing the cause - the biotoxins, the heavy metals, the chemicals - is the most important thing to do. Nothing works until you clean up. To do it successfully, you need help. You have a wonderful guy near you who can help. I have told you about him before.
You will find, just as I did, that your sleep will return, that you will not need any drug support for your mental state --- it's the toxic metals that will not let your body make what it does under clean conditions. Depression and sleeplessness are two major of the 100 symptoms of metal toxicity, especially mercury. It is by far the most destructive toxin (aside from dental infection toxins, which are a lot worse!!)
When we are toxic as everyone is when Lyme and company has taken a foothold, the thyroid receptors on the cell wall, the insulin receptors; all the hormone receptors on the cell get plugged up with toxic material from metals, biotoxins, from the infections, from the poop and the pee of the microbes that proliferate in us because the immune functions are on halt; the environmental toxins that we pump into the environment are in us --- all of these have an affinity for the hormone receptors. Their structural similarity to the real thing is so close that they are plugging these receptors up.
Detoxification should always be one of the first, starting with detoxing the gut/colon, the parasites.
Sometimes it is necessary to help with the thyroid or other hormones to at least start feeling a little better while detoxing. A detox takes 2-3 years and, yes, you will start to feel better once you start getting into an effective detox program.
Not only have I experienced this myself, but I meet many patients who started out grey and looking semi-dead, dressed in drab, and with sad eyes. Just yesterday I ran into one young lady - she now has a peach for a face, great hair and bounding with life -- that is only about 4 months after I had first met her - colorless, sick and low. What a joy to see her alive again. She has been on the program that I have described so many times - on www.neuraltherapy.com/articles.
I so wish I could help -
Take care.
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