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daystar1952
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Hello....I have been doing so well but Got bit by 5 ticks within the past month and a half. I was on antibiotics so didn't think much of it. Began getting an irritated stomach...kind of burning gassy. I remember having this way back with lyme and thinking I had an ulcer or gastritis or something . However, it eventually went away with treatment. Does anyone else have this stomach problem with Lyme or babesia?

It's gotten to where it's a general over all....all the time pain or burning. Alcohol seems to help it a bit

I was in the process of switching to minocycline. I wonder if that could cause the problem? Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. :=)
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Yes, I've had GI issues from the get go, and indeed, they resolved with treatment. Seems like the always pop on back when I have a relapse.

Interestingly, my suspicion is that, for me, it is not the GI system per se, but rather the innervation to the GI system. In fact, at the start of this relapse, I had non-stop vomiting. After 4 weeks of this, they stuck me in the hospital and did several tests. Among them were scopes, both upper and lower. The GI found that I was having seizures of my GI tract, something he had heard of but never before seen. They gave me seizure medicine and the vomiting promptly stopped.

My initial illness was meningitis (I was diagnosed by a spinal tap positive for Bb), and so my CNS has been severely affected. So not terribly surprising that more nervous system stuff would be happening just masquerading as things such as GI and cardiac stuff.

Anyway, just another thing to think about. BTW, am doing mino myself and it is WAY easier on the belly (of actual GI origins of misery) than doxy, at least for me. Also, just started zith too, but the kids' suspension, and also WAY easier on the belly than the pills.


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Goodness yes, do I ever!! I get that terrible all over burning pain too-like the entire intestinal tract. Is that what you are talking about? They said I had mild gastritis but that doesn't explain all the burning pain. I think it goes along with the Lyme too. I can't seem to get on a good treatment protocol but will soon be starting IM bicilin and I am so hoping that will help.

Mine has been burning again since April (it started back in 2000) about a year after my first lyme syptoms appeared only they didn't know what I even had back then. If you find anything that helps or just need to lean on someones shoulder with all this, feel free to email me.

Nancy


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Duramater......I can't believe you said that about the innervation to the stomach...something like that. Right before I read your post, I was coming up the driveway thinking to myself that perhaps the stomach thing really has to do with the brain. At night when I wake up and it is really bothering me, I take klonopin and then it goes away!!! So....maybe it's the brain relaying pain messages to the stomach? They say they are connected?
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Well, here is my hypothesis, but that is all that it is. For me, my infection landed squarely in the ol' brain (like I said, spinal tap positive for signs of meningitis and for Bb way back when at Sigal's lab of all places (one of the Steere crowd), no mistaking that as a false positive!!).

In addition to neurological and cognitive sequelae that one would expect from such an infection, I've got a few significant cardiac problems, eye issues, and several GI problems (in this current relapse). I also have a mystery pancreas problem which may or may not fit into the story I'm about to tell...not sure yet...

Now we know the eye stuff is related to the brain stuff (we've actually been able to measure the progression and resolution of the inflammation in the visual system as I improve and relapse). And a long time ago, when I first had cardiac issues, a LL cardiologist in NY (btw, he was one of the guys that diagnosed Clinton's heart problem -- how's that for six degrees of separation?) did lots of testing and determined that it was the preganglionic innervation of the heart that was problematic. For non-neurologists, that just means it wasn't the heart itself, but rather the part of the nervous system that goes to the heart and tells it what to do that was messed up. I've also always had significant Gi issues, but typical Gi tests fail to find anything significant (except for another GI bug I picked up along the way).

Now this relapse, I have gobs of neuro stuff again (and a screwy spinal tap). I have even more cardiac stuff, but again, it seems to be less about the heart itself and more about the innervation of the heart (this according to another cardiologist, not LL this time, but similar impression). And this non-stop vomiting I had ended up being due to seizures (that is, a neurological cause as opposed to something wrong with the actual GI parts, and I was put on klonopin btw).

Now I'm having gallbladder stuff but no stones are showing up... am wondering if it is spasming b/c of neuro input problems again. similar hypothesis for other issues (including the heart related chest pain and so forth). So, in short, I'm wondering if 90% of my symptoms, while located all over the place, are actually caused by those stupid bugs still in the NS.

The CNS & PNS (peripheral nervous system) inervate everything in the body, so indeed, the brain is (indirectly) connect to the stomach, intestines, lungs, heart, you name it. So, when they are finding that the organ or body part that is messed up or in pain is not having problems directly, on occassion we are finding it is the inervation of those organs/body parts that is problematic and those problematic body parts that haven't been tested yet, well now I'm just down right suspicious.

So anyway, that's what i think may be going on for me: neuro problem to begin with, and neuro problem affecting a bunch of other body parts. If that is in anyway useful to think about in your own case, good. If not, that's cool too, these bugs attack different parts of each one of us...


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I think what you say makes alot of sense and have thought the same thing myself....basically.

Some people notice how their symptoms travel from their head down through their body and stay in each part of the body for several days. When I was worse...the symptoms would leave through my feet and soon would appear first again in the head, the the eyes, then the neck, down to the stomach, etc. It makes one wonder how spirochetes would know to attack us in a specific order. I think this odd mechanism must have more to do with the brain rather than taking turns in different parts of the body


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I am venturing a guess that what you are describing is an activation of the parasympathetic nervous system. When your nervous system, spinal fluid in particular, start working better and flowing unobstructed, your gut responds by "digesting". You can actually hear sounds in your belly when the parasympathetic nervous system is stimulated.

Cranialsacral Therapy and/or Massage Therapy can really help with this.

Everything in the body is connected. It all makes sense.


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I think you're right beachcomber...something is activated because I just realized that my tongue is burning and tingling also. Many times I've had the burning tingling tongue sensation by itself so I didn't correlate it but now that my stomach is doing a similar thing, they seem related
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I think a lot of this makes sense as well. I have really good days with my gut pain and those days tend to be ones where the pain is either elsewhere in my body or gone completely for a couple days. I know that stress definately makes it a whole lot worse for me too!! I almost wish this disease would just pick one area of the body and stay there-would make it easier for me to fight it ya know?

Nancy


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