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JimBoB
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Just got this from LymeInfo.
Jim
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"'I think there's a lack of information, even in the medical field,'
said Dr. Ernest B. Visconti, chief of infectious diseases at
Lutheran Medical Center.

If caught early, Lyme disease can be treated effectively with
antibiotics, but if left untreated, it can cause irreparable damage."
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http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/base/news/1150896745147
130.xml&coll=1

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Staten Island Advocate
Staten Island NY
June 21, 2006

Forum warns against ticks, Lyme disease

Wednesday, June 21, 2006
By LISA SCHNEIDER
ADVANCE STAFF WRITER

What you don't know can hurt you -- especially if the unknown comes
in the form of a tiny tick carrying Lyme disease-causing bacteria.

Last night, 130 people gathered at the College of Staten Island to
learn more about Lyme and the ticks that spread it.

"They are around us and they are dangerous if they're not detected,"
said Borough President James P. Molinaro, who sponsored the forum.

Lyme disease, which is transmitted by deer ticks, can cause wide-
ranging and vague symptoms, including headaches, arthritis, fever,
confusion, aggression, facial paralysis and meningitis.

It is the United States' most common vector-borne disease, with
transmission most frequent during June, July and August.

Researchers have not found evidence of deer ticks on Staten Island,
although experts believe that soon could change due to the borough's
deer population.

"It would be silly not to think you might have a problem down the
road," said Dr. Thomas J. Daniels, vector ecologist at Fordham
University. "A tick population can change a lot in five years."

Dog ticks, which can spread diseases such as Rocky Mountain spotted
fever, constitute the vast majority of ticks in the city and on
Staten Island.

In the meantime, many Islanders -- including about half of those
attending the forum last night -- have contracted Lyme disease,
perhaps while on vacation in the Catskills, Westchester, New Jersey
or on Long Island.

Many of them never even saw the tick, don't know exactly when they
were bitten and spent months going to doctors and trying to figure
out the cause of their exhaustion, aches and mood swings.

"I think there's a lack of information, even in the medical field,"
said Dr. Ernest B. Visconti, chief of infectious diseases at
Lutheran Medical Center.

If caught early, Lyme disease can be treated effectively with
antibiotics, but if left untreated, it can cause irreparable damage.

Yet the ambiguous symptoms can make it difficult for patient and
doctor to detect right away.

Lyme disease causes health effects similar to those resulting from
tuberculosis, mononucleosis, lupus, cancer or lymphoma.

If a patient takes antibiotics to treat Lyme and doesn't get better,
keep on looking, Dr. Visconti said.

"If you're feeling tired, get a good checkup from your doctor," he
said.

People can protect themselves from deer ticks -- and Lyme disease --
by wearing white clothing, tucking shirts into pants and pants into
boots, avoiding low brush and leafy brush, and periodically checking
their skin and clothing for ticks.

Upon seeing a tick burrowed into their skin, people should use a
tweezers to grab it as close to the skin as possible, then pull in
one gentle but firm motion.

The longer an infected tick stays put, the more time it has to
transmit the disease, said Dr. Richard Falco, medical entomologist
at Fordham University.

"The threat of Lyme disease is removed when the tick is removed," he
said.

Lisa Schneider covers health news for the Advance. She may be
reached at [email protected]

2006 Staten Island Advance

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JimBoB:
[QB] Just got this from LymeInfo.
Jim
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"'I think there's a lack of information, even in the medical field,'
said Dr. Ernest B. Visconti, chief of infectious diseases at
Lutheran Medical Center.

If caught early, Lyme disease can be treated effectively with
antibiotics, but if left untreated, it can cause irreparable damage."
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If a patient takes antibiotics to treat Lyme and doesn't get better,
keep on looking, Dr. Visconti said.

"If you're feeling tired, get a good checkup from your doctor," he
said.
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Jim [Cool]

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Glad to hear 130 people got togeather and discussed lyme disease.
Some of the information in this article is correct. Some of it is miss leading:

"The threat of lyme diseas is removed when the tick is removed"

This is misleading. When the tick is "removed" is when the horror can begin.

It is wise to get treatment in any tick bite within the first 24 hours after a bite.

If you wait untill there are symptoms or 2-4 weeks for the lab results it may be too late.

Better to be safe than get stuck with a life long chronic- potentually fatal disease.

The threat can come weeks, months years later after a tick bite. Lyme disease can remain dormant and become activated at any time.


And also:"The longer an infected tick stays put, the longer it has to transmitt the disease."

This is also miss leading. All a tick needs to do is bite you and it can give many disease's regaurdless of how long it was attacked.

Also I went to many doctors after my tick bite for being tired and most just said take vitamins or it is all in your head!

Beware of doctors that tell this to you. It cost me 20 years of my life and many years of suffering.

I don't have the energy to look up references. Maybe someone with more energy can provide.

And in closing if you don't get better on just 2 weeks of minimum doxy . LOOK FURTHER! You are being under treated.

Find a LLMD. ASAP.

Do look futher and don't let them tell you you are cured! With such a CDC lie. That 2 weeks of low dose doxy is enough.

When one abx doesn't work try another one or a combination there of. And get treated for co-infections.

Your life is at stake

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wow.............

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quote:
Originally posted :

"The threat of Lyme disease is removed when the tick is removed," he
said.


Things were sounding pretty good until THAT! What kind of crazy statement is THAT????? [cussing]

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
quote:
Originally posted :

"The threat of Lyme disease is removed when the tick is removed," he
said.


Things were sounding pretty good until THAT! What kind of crazy statement is THAT????? [cussing]
Wish it was so. What an idiot.
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I pretty much agree with all of you so far.

You will notice, I posted the 2nd post right after the first post. The reason being, LymeInfo says you have to post their whole articles in their entirety.

But the main thing that caught MY eye was the part in my second post where he says: "If a patient takes antibiotics to treat Lyme and doesn't get better, keep on looking, Dr. Visconti said.

THAT is what I did when the antibiotics made me feel worse instead of better.

This Doc seems to know a little more than MOST doctors out there. Not ALL the quotes in this article were by THIS particular doctor.

It was NOT he who made the statement that the threat of Lyme D. is removed when you remove the tick.

However it has been proved that the chances are better, USUALLY, of getting the disease the longer the tick is in you. Especially over 12 hours.

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And/Or the fact that many, many people are cured with herbs that are not able to with antibiotics alone.

And yes, look deeply into BOTH sides of the treatment protocols.

Jim [Cool]

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JimBoB --

There is a lot of wisdom in what you say. Antibiotics can, and DO, fail a certain number of people. Also, not everyone can tolerate antibiotics, and not everyone wants to take them -- that is a perfectly valid choice.

I'd look into herbs and "alternative" treatments, as well as get some further testing done for other infections that could be causing the recalcitrant symptoms... not only tickborne diseases, but other things like mycoplamas and fungi and viruses.... so many of these things overlap so much that it make diagnosis and treatment really tricky.

Personally, I've used a combination of herbs, supplements and abx from the get-go, and my LLNP totally supports that!

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I am not good at remembering where I see articles but I did see info once on time of transmission to the CNS..I think bacteria was found within 12 hours.

I have also heard that Bb has been found in the salivia of some ticks..So to me it is Russian Roulette to wait to treat or to think if it is taken off immediately there is no problem..

We all seem to be in agreement over this article..

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