SForsgren
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Having been a user of Rife and numerous other modalities, I am currently optimistic about the KMT23 device from Dr. Klinghardt. It was discussed in great detail at his conference this weekend and I have been using it for not quite a month.
The purpose of the device is to inhibit the reproductive cycles of the organisms. It has frequencies which are aimed at numerous organisms including Borrelia, Babesia, Ehrlicha, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, Staph, Strep, Chlamydia, parasites, viruses, and more.
I think the device makes sense and I would urge anyone looking for other options to support their recovery to consider it.
It runs about 1300 dollars, far less than the 2500 I paid for my rife setup. I also like that it is targetted for those infections that impact those of us with Lyme and related co-infections.
The device is at the top of my list right now of tools that I think will help me move to the next level.
I also recently purchased the KMT23 device. I know it helped Gudrun quite a bit. Have you noticed any progress in the month that you've been using it? I just started less than a week ago, so it's way too soon to tell. I have high hopes, as I also have serious jawbone and sinus infections, as well as mercury issues. Dr. Hussar (whom also lectured at Dr. K's conference) will be doing my surgery next week.
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I am at about 80% functional at this point - some days even better. So, the changes with anything I do now are subtle. I am excited about the device, the technology behind it, and the experiences of others - GiGi and others that I have spoken with.
One of my hopes is that I can use this tool and some new herbal options to get off the ABX entirely in the next few months.
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Scott I just gotta say you are a real angel for being 80% better and still giving alot of time and good information on this board.
Thankyou so much for still sticking around.
You are very helpful to all, specially to the newbie's who are in the dark,scared and don't know where to turn.
I appreciate all of your efforts. Thanks! you are a real inspiration.
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SForsgren
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I am 80% better but still on major ABX. When I get off of them and am 80% or more better, I will feel much more confident about my path.
When I started here, there were a few folks that really shared information. Many presented their points of view and allowed me to integrate what I felt most appropriate from all of their experiences.
It is a long, hard road, but I do see the light.....
Thanks for your kind words
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Scott, may I ask how long you've been on abx. My goal is get off them soon but not until all infections have been treated and I think it is time.
In the meantime, I'm preparing to begin using other avenues of treatments.
I sure do appreciate all you've shared with thosse of us who are new to this horrible disease. I've learned so much from you and you just keep on giving................you are definitely a value-add to this board.
Respectfully, Gaye
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I started ABX in late July 2005 when I was diagnosed - only six months ago. Have been on Doxy, Levaquin, Biaxin, Mepron, etc. at different times. Hoping to be off of them by April or May at the latest - need to start working in other treatments and slowly getting off the ABX. If that doesn't work I can always go back, but I feel like the time is coming to be off of them. I am functional and doing well and more worried now about the long-term effects of the ABX.
Thanks so much for your kind words.
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Scott, yes you are correct about getting close o time to pull back fro the abx. I've been on Doxy for 7 weeks, 600 mg. daily and I too worry about long term usage and the negative impact it will play on my immune system. And, we need for our immune systems to be built up in order to take over the fight for our bodies.
I just wanted to know about how long you've been on the abx. treatment since you've done so well. Of course, you added numerous self help therapies to boost yourself along and I've been documenting the things you've shared with us and hope to get them implemented soon.
I admire your perserverance in getting yourself well. That is definitely a "can do attitude", you are a winner!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, Gaye
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Scott, I am using the KMT 22, how does this unit differ from the KMT23? In your opinion, is it worth forking out more$$ if I already have the KMT22?
Thanks Ernie
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SForsgren
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It has six programs instead of four. If I had the KMT22, I personally would probably not spend the additional dollars for the KMT23. Hope you are having some good results with the 22. I know of several folks that have done well.
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The KMT (Klinghardt Matrix Therapy) covers all microorganisms known to be involved in chronic disease, in any chronic disease that Dr. K. has encountered or is aware of - over his many years of practice. Far, far more than just the few we think of when we talk Lyme. It covers all known viruses, fungi, mold, parasites -- any that he has encountered in treating chronically ill people, from Alzheimers to Cancer. It also covers heavy metal detox, lymph drainage, etc.
It is not a killing machine, but rather an instrument to entrain the immune system to start functioning again while at the same time eliminating the replication of the critters by employing the Microbial Inhibition Frequencies.
It is microcurrent - a current in a biological range not to be compared with other machines running on regular electric household current. The KMT runs on a battery that is rechargable when not in use and thereby any exposure to any more electromagnetic stress is avoided. It is one of the most important features and one that Dr. K. insisted on. Why take a chance at doing more damage with what is supposed to be a healing device.
I am happy with the KMT and do not ever, ever want to be without again. Any exposure of any sort and out it comes. In this climate of overwhelming bug invasions I am shooting for prevention. One round of Lyme is enough for my family.
KMT is to be used with whatever else you choose to eliminate the toxins. If you have still metals in your mouth, be sure you chew chlorella while you are using it and spit it out ----- Yes, it activates metals. And of course be sure to have chlorella on board to avoid recirculation and redistribution of metals into other body regions.
The Rule: When you are on abx, other killing agents, and KMT, have a good clean chlorella on board.
Take care.
P.S. Anyone reading this still have fillings in their mouth? I am really curious.
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Do you have a reference for "Microbial Inhibition Frequencies"? I know Klinghardt is way out in front......but I was hoping the literature was suggesting this mechanism also. Certainly ion dumping due to current is well documented, but I hadn't see anything on microbial reproduction.
Also I may have have filling under some old crowns, but no exposed amalgum. I guess I'd better get on this!
Thanks, Ernie
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Scott,
Does the KMT23 still have the obnoxious beeping noise of the old model? Hiker
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LC, in a way, you are lucky - simply because your test shows that you are able to release the metals. Many people take that test five times and only once they start to get some emotional release treatment, undo some of their unresolved conflicts, are they able to let go of the metals.
So you are in a good spot. I just hope that your doctor knows what he is doing when it comes to heavy metal detox, that he has done it often enough and has learned how to do it successfully. That's when ART comes in again in a great way. It helps decide what your body can tolerate and what you can use as detoxing agents depending on where in the body the mercury has settled.
Never do any abx without having chlorella in you. In your case, that's the "herxheimer", even though many people feel that's a good sign. It is mercury moving from one body compartment to the other. It is not a herxheimer if you are heavy metal toxic.
Ernie, call Nancy. I recall you had a KMT at one time if I am not mistaken. She can answer you better than I can.
Yes, if you are still having your "days", it's time to look at your crowns. Have you had your pano x-ray of your mouth tested? looked at?
Take care.
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How much do those things cost? The KMT23? Just curious.
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SForsgren
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Runs about 1300 dollars and does not beep...
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To anyone that is considering buying this device and wants to know if it actually does anything...
I ran the first program -one hour for bartonella and borrelia (I have both). I woke up the next day with really swollen lymph nodes and extremely tired and feeling fluish. I KNOW it was from the treatment.
This is not a typical reaction (nothing about my symptoms and reactions seem to be typical). Most people are usually just a little tired. I am excited about this device but I will have to take a few days break in between treatments.
Diana
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SForsgren
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I am glad you are using it and am optimistic as well. I am using it for whole body, one knee, and eyes at present. Just started treating the knee and eye issues specifically with program 1 and 2 this week. I think the device makes a lot of sense.
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I have the KMT23?. The one before the current one.
I use the resonator blocks. Those darn patches just don't stay on me.
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KMT23 is the current one. The patches can be a challenge, but I seem to have it down now and am not as confident with the blocks - though potentially purely due to my limited knowledge of how they work. I prefer to use the pads.
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I won't even try to explain it. I would mess it up. Nancy can describe it better than I. But, the patches are good to use, it's just that I couldn't sleep with them falling off of me when I turned over. I don't have to worry about them with the resonator blocks, so I use the device more often.
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: KMT23 is the current one. The patches can be a challenge, but I seem to have it down now and am not as confident with the blocks - though potentially purely due to my limited knowledge of how they work. I prefer to use the pads.
I am also saving up for a Rife machine, which my Lyme doc is a big proponent of, but sounds like some of you, especially Scott and Gigi, have had more success with the KMT (which my doc hasn't heard of). I did three Rifes and 12 days of Samento and I herxed for like 5 weeks - pretty insane. But I'm not sure how much of it was the Rife and how much the herb . . .
What are your takes, good and bad, on Rife, KMT, abx, and herbs like Samento? I'm looking for both things that have worked and things that haven't!
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LC, What is a Doctor's Data test? When I asked my llmd about testing for mercury, he talked about the challenge test(I think). Memory..ugh!
Gigi, I have amalgum fillings but no root canals. I'm really concerned about taking them out as my teeth will probably end up needing crowns (more $) and put me that much closer to losing my teeth, if that is the choice between root canals or not.
My parents, in their early 80's have all their own teeth.
I know your feelings about the metal and even though I've been on abx for going on 11 months, I was lucky in that I'd only had a very brief nasty bit of time feeling really bad, even w/ lyme & bab.
When I hear about people getting well, who have been really sick, inspite of metal fillings, it just makes me not know what to do.
The reality seems to be that no one knows for sure that they are not just in remission from lyme. Shingles is proof that Chix Pox is never cured the way we'd like to think about being cured.
Gigi, you've been such a strong, positive voice for wellness. I'm wondering if there are others from the Klinghardt camp out there who might be able to speak here about their journeys to health, a path that apparently can vary widely from person to person.
Jill
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SForsgren
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Big B
First thing, I would quickly reprioritize the removal of the mercury fillings and working with a doctor that knows how to deal with heavy metals. A very complex issue, but one that has to be dealt with. Dr. K was very clear on this. It has been his experience that people do not get well unless they deal with the merurcy and dental issues.
I have both Rife and KMT and have used the Rife for several months with herxes but no groundbreaking progress. Have used the KMT for about 3 weeks now. So far, it just makes more sense to me. I feel like it has great potential. As for your other questions, go to www.neuraltherapy.com, click Articles, and read the top one in details. It talks about many alternative options. Samento is one of them that has been useful for many people.
Also, you can see my full treatment protocol at the site below. Good luck
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Lucy:
Doctor's Data is a lab that has a number of different tests used by many doctors. My practitioners use them mainly for stool parasite testing and for metal challenges via urine or simple hair testing for metals.
I'll leave the dentail issues to GiGi to comment about what happens when they take them out. For me, having them removed meant replacing them with another filling material and I feel much better about that than the mercury. I do think it is something you have to address. Dr K made it clear at his conference that people don't seem to get well until they also address the metals issue - both removal of what is in the teeth and what is in the body.
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Tequeslady, you could make yourself a headband, similar things to tie around the belly, to stick the tabs under it while you sleep. The tabs are a problem if you have oily skin, or are hairy. Become inventive when that's the case. Some people have no problem, on others they fall off in a minute. But it beats having to hold a cold rod and have your feet on a cold wet pad for hours, as on some Rife machines.
The resinator block will give you the exposure, but not as solidly as when the tabs are attached directly to the skin.
I used the face mask (available for little extra - I had two of them) cut off the velcro and crocheted strings onto each one. This way I could tie it on my belly, or for that matter anywhere (knee, shoulder, face, etc.) Become inventive - you can utilize it in different ways. Take a bath, let the four electrodes dangle in the tub in different corners so they won't touch each other, and do a treatment that way.
I also got a wide eleastic old belt, put around waist, and stick the tabs under it. Christmas tree in front, bumble bees in back.
Take care.
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For the KMT 23 users, for the long channels that you want to do while asleep, see my post above.
There is a way to stop and pause the KMT 23 if you want a treatment on the long channels covering the hundreds of parasites, etc. etc.
You can put the unit -KMT 23- on pause and come back in a an hour or days -- but you will use some battery power while it is on pause. The option is to have it plugged in at least at that time, while you are not attached to it, and you won't use the battery.
The other thing that can be done is to use it with a battery and then when you are not using it plug it in to the wall. This will recharge the battery even though it is not a rechargeable battery. A rechargeable battery will NOT work for this purpose.
Call Nancy and have her send you an explanation of how to use it, about adaptors, etc.
Take care.
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Lucy, if you are in doubt, get a challenge test. But even a challenge test may come back not giving a clear indication of a metal problem, because often your body is not able to release any metal, even with a challenge test. As with Lyme, sometimes people have to be treated for the metals and then the test might turn positive.
If you decide on a challenge test, be sure to do a search here - I posted many times how to collect the urine the proper way. If your doctor doesn't know and tell you exactly what to do when you collect it, your results may not be conclusive. Mercury vaporizes the minute it his the air: You have to immediately close the container every time you add to it. Then, before you fill the vial to be sent to the lab, shake the container good (the mercury sticks to the wall of the big container) and then straight away fill your vial.
If you let the mercury escape in your bathroom, sending the urine in is useless.
Most doctors have no clue about any of this, and the patients keep on suffering.
Deciding on removal or not - that's solely your decision. And I know it is a hard one. Not even Dr. K. is telling people do or don't. All he can do is to tell them to read the literature that is readily available in volumes. I have posted tons of it. Just do a search.
Have your pano x-ray read by Dr. H. The only one that I know can do that. If you have problematic wisdom teeth sites, etc., that is a big factor. The problem is none of these teeth that are on the edge or gone over the edge hurt and waiting for the pain to show is not really the answer. Read at http://www.altcorp.com/AffinityLaboratory/rcttreatment.htm and get educated. That's a good place to start.
Thanks for saying nice things - it is welcome.
Take care.
If you have any neurological symptoms, mercury is a problem. Read my posts where I mention tubulin - if that's destroyed, it is being destroyed by mercury. That is well known and volumes of research available.
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Could someone post the webb site,I think it was on amazon for rife user's support site, and I think this site also sells used ones too.
I cannot find it in my info. save pile. Thanks
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Gigi- I think the search option is having a mercury moment because it could find nothing on tubulin.
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