GiGi
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This was talked about here recently. This is what I heard from people that take care of sick people or make sure they don't get sicker:
Chemtrails:
Ten years ago when people first talked about it, it was another New Age paranoia type of phenomenon. Now there are publications on it in peer review journals. So what the World government has decided is that Global Warming is very real and there is a huge expansion of desserts all over the world where more and more farmland is lost because of it and there is definitely global warming. So the U.S. Government has taken world leadership in this in a very secretive way and one of the things they do - they mix nanonized aluminum and barium salts into the airplane fuel which creates then a mist that lingers in the air for weeks and is used as a heat shield that is reflecting particles that reflect part of the sunlight back out.
There may be some wisdom in this and it may certainly lead to a sustaining of our style of life or so for longer. But why so secretly? Yet there are studies out and you can actually look this up.
One of the things that has been discovered is that the nanonized aluminum is entering our system without our system recognizing it. So there is no defense mechanism that we have against it and it ends up and it accumulates inside the cells. And it has been implied now with cardiovascular disease, microcirculatory disorders in the brain, brain deterioration of various sorts and immune disorders.
This is not a paranoid kind of small fringe group anymore that talks about this, but it is actually published and is patented by the US Army, the additions to the airplane fuels. So you can look up the patents and it's become a science now. But you need to know that if you find high aluminum in you, that this is a new source of exposure; also barium. You will find it in the hair, just a hair analysis, the levels go up and will go up in the near future.
Just as a solution, organic cilantro tincture works on it. 10 drops in hot water, one glass at night, is completely protecting us from this.
Take care.
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dontlikeliver
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Gigi,
That is a very rational explanation of this 'phenomenon'.
Would you mind though, to help others, just posting the links here to the articles in the peer reviewed journals you speak of? What journal(s) is this?
I've pricked up my ears, however, I am not sure that I am going to spend much time googling it, however, if the links were here, I would read them.
Is there also 'proof' that cilantro drops will undo the damage from aluminum and barium? Can that also be found in any peer reviewed journals? Would you have any links? Thanks.
DLL
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I'm very interested in learning more about the chemtrails. I have also heard that aluminum is part of what is dispersed as GiGi notes. Seems very likely to me.
I had one practitioner that also claimed that mycoplasma is often dispersed this way in the US and around the world. That one I found a bit more difficult to believe, but it is certainly an interesting theory.
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Thank You, Gigi.
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GiGi
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Dontlikeliver, sorry, I have posted hundreds of references with my posts many times and I am not going to sort them out for you. If you want to have chapter and verse, you will have to dig for it up yourself. I just do not have the time.
This information was presented by my doctor who practices and lectures all over the world and has the reputation to go along with it. There are 100s of pages that are part of any seminar, and I am sorry, I will not dig through them again. He happens to be the only doctor that helped me to get well from a deadly case of Lyme, including paralysis and wheelchair.
The research on the cilantro tincture is already many years old. Do some research on Dr. Yoshiaki Omura, the discoverer, and the pursuant research done by foreign countries, mainly Japan and Germany, for obvious reasons. I am also not going to dig that up for you because I just do not have the time to waste. It has worked for heavy metal toxicity for may years, alu is just an added one that it works well for. Ask your doctor - he might be familiar with if he is not preoccupied with pharma drugs. Cilantro definitely does not fall into that category.
By the way, Cilantro worked beautifully for me too as it does for many others with heavy metal toxicity, and consequently, I no longer suffer from Lyme Disease. I got over the doubting thomas syndrome years ago - and I have posted about all of here because it helped me to get back my life.
It's perfectly okay to doubt all.
Take care.
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dontlikeliver
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I don't doubt ALL, that is the point and it was a serious question, not poking fun - although I suspect by your sharp response you may have taken it as that.
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Y'know, I thought this was all probably a lot of hogwash, albeit interesting reading...until yesterday. I was driving with hubby across the SF bay, and saw a plane dispersing a cloud of who-knows-what into the air, very low indeed ---
I joked to him, it's a chemtrail!! Welllll... it didn't disperse for a very long time, just hung there in the air looking spooky. Then, slowly, it began looking more and more like a cloud. Throughout the day, I saw many more of these happen... none so low as the first one, but indisputably there.
So... I guess I have to admit that something odd is going on.... I saw plenty of normal contrails during the day, and these were very, very different.
Scary stuff, indeed.
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Yeah minimonkey! Join the club. Chemtrails are not normal contrails. My husband is a jet engine mechanic and tells me they are not normal. But once one begins to observe for themselves, their common sense and God given intuition will tell them all they need to know. Sometimes the things which are so obvious and in plain sight are what we totally miss.
Sometimes it makes me wonder what other changes in our environment we may not be noticing.
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I do think this explanation is the reasonable one except I think its in the experimental phase, to see how effective it is. WHy do I think this? Because I saw them in Santa Fe a lot in the last 5 years, and not before then. Every morning, chemtrails, for a couple hours, crisscrossing the sky, turning into a sort of vague, dull metal colored cloud cover and dispersing by afternoon. The brilliant blue skies of Santa Fe were no more.
HOWEVER< when I took a trip up into the Jemez mountains as usual, past Los Alamos, at 10,000 feet, there were no chemtrails and the sky was the brilliant color that used to be in Santa Fe.
People in Santa Fe who don't want to think about chemtrails say the sky is hazy because of Albuqureque, that doesn't make sense to me...its far enough away and at a lower altitude.
I don't think they're protectign Santa Fe while not protecting Los Alamos, a major weapons lab where god knows what goes on and where they initiated that controlled burn 5 1/2 years ago right before a wind advisory, so that it burned out of control over 40,000 acres for a couple weeks, and probably imo destroyed some evidence of something, that they wanted destroyed, and who knows what that was. But somehow miraculously came within 50 feet of bunkers holding plutonium and did NOT burn them down.
Anyhoo....
I'm just not sure they're protecting our deserts with this stuff so much as seeing how it works, and also, it could be for military tracking, experimenting with different stuff for that. I do NOT think the stuff has bioweapons in it that are being foisted on our own.
If the world govt cared about global warming they'd stop the emissions causing it rather than spend more $ on chemtrails...don't u think?
In any case, the polar bear is about to go on the endangered species list, and this may force Bush and his buddies to do something about global warming, FINALLY.
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Jill asked: If the world govt cared about global warming they'd stop the emissions causing it rather than spend more $ on chemtrails...don't u think?
They would if the one's behind the spraying were not invested in making sure fosil fuels are used as long as possible. They have been aware of the threat via mounds of detailed science for a decade or more.
I find it interesting that our government has publicly dismissed global warming as a threat, made no efforts to convert or conserve.. yet are spraying without public knowledge to deflect the sun.
The spraying program costs allot less than what would be lost by oil companies if we conserved and converted. A mere 'bag of shells' in comparison as far as monetary cost. But WE are paying tremendously in health.
Aluminum crosses the BBB, and the load on our systems decreses immune strength.
There has been considerable, wide-spread rise in immune-supressed conditions.
This is an enourmous public health threat, yet I believe somewhere in the 'regulations' the government is allowed to do things they 'percieve' are for the greater good without informing the public.
Honestly, for the good of whom is clearly debatable. I also believe we should have some rights to be made aware of chemicals effecting the air we breathe, our land, the wildlife, the water, and our kid's health. Silly me.
I think public awarenes would stop this in it's tracks.
Like most other abimonations, the public doesn't know.
Thanks for the reminder and the info on Cilantro, GiGi.
Mo
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I've been watching the skies here all morning, while doing housecleaning and such. It was a bright, clear day this morning... then, plane after spraying plane went over (some really low like yesterday) and created a slowly building "cloud cover". The whole area got so hazy in a few hours that I couldn't even see the nearby hills, which are usually crystal clear! Now, there seems to be an honest weather system of some sort up there --- looking a bit like rain on the way.
Now, bear in mind, I live by the bay, where the weather is truly variable on any given day, but this was really bizarro -- the "clouds" looked exactly like the broken up ones on the chemtrails sites, and then real clouds started appearing too. (I suppose it has been happening this way for a long time, and I've just never noticed before.)
I don't know what to think, but I am certainly no longer among the disbelievers that these trails really do exist, and really do come from planes. I'm finding it very scary, regardless the purpose of the trails....
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Carnicom has extensive government documentation obtained by way of the Freedon of Information Act.. among other compelling info.
Basically, tho - all you have to do is look up. It's very depresing, but I feel a little better just focusing on health strategies to deal with the onslaught.
Tho an organized revolt is beyond necessary IMO.
Mo
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I have seen those trails around here last year. But, as I live by the sea (literally) they started right about the edge of the coast and went out to sea. I drove inland at the height of all this, and there were none of these streaks there.
So, why would they 'try to poison' the water and not do this over land? (obviously they do it overland in some places, but this particular time it was over water).
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Well, Mo, we are starting to talk about biodiesel fuels, etc. So eventually we'll have to switch.
I don't know all the reasons behind it and we can speculate, but I don't believe they're trying to protect us from global warming while continuing to accelerate global warming with fossil fuels. I do believe they may be experimenting to see if they can change the weather, create cloud cover, change climates, and I do believe they may use this for military tracking of some kind. These are the 2 theories that seem most reasonable to me. Anyway, its one thing you rarely see in NYC since we have 3 airports and the skies are just too crowded. I also didn't see it much in southern New Mexico or in Tucson. Its strange, the places it is occurriing but it definitely does not occur around big cities with tons of air traffic.
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There are reports of this spraying absolutely everywhere.. big cities, rural areas, high deaert altatudes.. and around the World. (I don't know about over the oceans)
Here, about 2hrs North of the city, it is a regular thing.
The only time it stopped since I have been watching was in the week following Katrina (which is interesting). There are nationwide reports, reports in Canada and other countries - all similar if not exact to one another. (Will Thomas is the investigative journalist in Canada who has allot of compelling and solid research and documentation)
Whenever there is a blue sky (and the blue we see now in never the blue it used to be even on a 'clear' day.. it's a hazy lighter blue at best..) but when the skies begin to clear.. the streaking starts again. It used to be brazen criss cross patterns, but I suspect since more attention has ben called to it, the patterns are a bit more irregular. There are more trails laid at night now, so you wake up to the haze and just see a few lines being laid in the AM on those days.
The effect remains the same.. emissions hang (not like normal contrails, indicating solids in the emissions, not just water vapor).. these DO NOT dissipate for days - they hang and spread, untill a blue sky becomes white and a bit murkey.
You may not notice it in the city because of the general pollution in the area. (?)
Concerns are the metals, but also there are fibers that have ben collected and analyzed (privately, of course, the EPA has not responded regarding samples sent to them)..
filaments, that have some biological particles and some molds clinging to them. A certain 'fungus' and mold cultered in labs.
There is allot of info out there now...it's best to read through it of you are concerned as I'm sure I'll get flamed if I start sharing details of what I have read. Heck, I'm sure I will now anyway - Since when have I cared about that..
A version of the programme is documented in government references.
There are corrolating health incidence reports with the timing of these changes.
Frankly, whether the intent bears malice, monetary gain, or whether it is the most 'innocent' and well intended - I believe we have a right to know what is going on, and also that clearly they may be posing a significant health threat even with the best of intentions.
As far as converting to biodegradable fuels in the US, we are in the Dark Ages compared to many nations. Bush mentioned converting to biogegradable fuels in his speech, but it is unclear as to whether that was just lip service during a campaign year where this has become a hot topic. Whether effective programmes will be implemented and funded (they already slashed the funding just after the speech!) is another story. Meanwhile, the problem of fossil fuel emmisions has been considerable and well documented for decades... and this adminisration said the Science on Global Warming was bunk.
As far as the aresol spraying, there is a protest schedulaed in March in LA, just FYI -
LOS ANGELES PROTEST MARCH 23, 2006 THURSDAY - 9:00 AM Posted on behalf of Kathy Ornstein by Clifford E Carnicom Feb 12 2006
The following scheduled protest against the aerosol operations is announced to the public; it is recommended that this announcement be distributed to the public as widely as is possible.
Details and contacts are on the Carnicom site linked in this thread.
MANY news organizations have been contacted with a large body of evidence and concern, and none of them will run the story..even inquisitively.. the reason why is likely because when there is a massive organized spraying and this many planes doing it, or even if some of it is put into 'regular' jet fuels.. when you look ay this and realize the implications, there is no doubt as to who is involved on this scale. The media who are not controlled are afraid, no doubt.
Many government officials, military, local and national EPA's ect have been contacted by large numbers of concerned citizens.. the response across the board thus far is either complete dismissal with no investigation, or no response at all. This is perplexing, you'd think in today's day and age and the 'threats' we face they would at least perform investigations when something like this is reported by so many citizens. It doesn't add up.
Mo
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Well, I could perhaps see if someone was trying to lessen global warming, for instance, why they would spray something to do that, over water.
But, if the intention was to kill (?? why) or disable people, then I cannot see what purpose doing this over the ocean would have.
Also, you'd think that somewhere along the line a pilot of one of these missions would have blown the whistle or something, or has that happened already? If this is happening globally, then there must be thousands of pilot's involved...not only pilots
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I would assume something like this would be a government operation, by way of pilots working in that capacity, also if particles are added to jet fuel at airports.
There are some pilots speaking out about how this is NOT normal contrail emission.. I also would imagine there could be certain info given pilots and others by the government that they may find acceptable. (?) Perhaps given largely false or incomplete info on the program and having to sign to keep quiet...I don't know. Nothing these days surprises me.
I'd be interested to know if it is being done over the oceans, or if some of it just blew over out there from spraying over land. I have not read anything written on whether chemtrails are actually seen out at sea, but I have seen the trails and the fog blow out off the coast from land..
I have no idea as to whether this is innocent or not so innocent, all I know is we have the right to know what is in the air and dispersed over the environment, and that people are getting sick from this whether that is the intent or not.
Mo
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It is happening inland here, as well as off the coast. I, too, have no idea what the intent or the outcome of this may be, but it is certainly spooky to watch -- really undeniable. There will be normal planes flying right near these chem-planes, and the difference is staggering. I live near two major airports, so I think there must be some communication regarding flight schedules, etc.
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