Topic: GYN update- Yeast found resistant to Diflucan
cantgiveupyet
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Well, luckily i scheduled an appointment because something DID show up on the last culture. UGH.
Thru quest labs yeast wasnt sceen under the microsope but did culture. Candida Parapsilosis.
They gave me oral V-Fend to take 200mg twice a day for 14 days!!!
Of course it dawned on me on the way home, now i will probably have to stop my abx for Lyme.
14 days is a long time to go with out abx :-( and i was doing so well with the abx.
This is really becoming frustrating...all this time i was taking diflucan and no wonder it didnt work. Back on the strict low/NO carb diet for atleast 14 days....hope i can stomach the eggs.
I just wonder why the culture in January didnt pick this up and why it showed up this time
And my mind is back thinking maybe i just have the yeast...i guess I will see in the next 14 days.
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AZURE WISH
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Did your llmd say to go off the abx...
I would ask him if it is absolutely necessary to go off the abx to treat the yeast.
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cantgiveupyet
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The last time my LLMD thought i had yeast he had me go off abx. That was from jan-feb...BV was the only thing cultured back then. So i was on flagyl for that for a week.
That was also during the time when i had the duck misdiagnosed UTI and was put on levaquin...which my llmd said made everything worse.
I do think I had yeast back then, maybe a strain that diflucan helped....because it did help.
I will call him today and ask.
Lymetoo thanks for the link...i will check that out too.
Seems i always have these detours.
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cantgiveupyet
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these detours are getting old.......and im just so tired of it.
My LLMD said to go off the abx for 7 days :-( and if i start to feel better to go back on abx.
He said it is a tough one because abx could be causing the symptoms and making it worse, but he thinks it is the lyme. So the best is to see if the new med helps........UGH.
I swear the lyme does this so it will survive.
maybe i will invent a new protocol....who knows?
Im also always starving.......cant get enough to eat.
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HEATHERKISS
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Hi Can't,
That is heavy duty news! I hope you feel some relief. You've been struggling with this problem for so long!
What are you allowed to eat on the anti yeast diet?
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HEATHERKISS
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off of Dr. B.'s Links
MANAGING YEAST OVERGROWTH
Many patients with chronic illnesses including Lyme Disease develop an overgrowth of yeast. A basic strategy to combat this is to eat a full container of sugar-free, non-fruit flavored yogurt that contains active cultures daily, and take acidophilus, two after each meal. Here are some other suggestions:
MOUTH: Yeast problems usually begin in the mouth, for when thrush is present, organisms may repeatedly pass down into the GI tract where they cause the most problems. A tongue with a beige coating, bad breath, and a bad taste in the mouth are signs of oral yeast. Patients should use a toothpaste that contains surfactants (detergent-like cleaning agents), and antiseptic mouthwashes (Scope, Listerine, etc.), and brush the teeth, tongue, gums, cheeks and the roof of the mouth while holding the mouthwash in the mouth.
The most effective treatment, employed as a last resort, consists of using ``Dakin's Solution'' as a mouth rinse. This is a mixture of household liquid bleach (Clorox), one teaspoon in four ounces of water. A small amount is held in the mouth while brushing, then spit out, and repeated until the thrush has cleared. This is usually a one-time treatment, but may have to be repeated every few weeks.
After using an antiseptic to clean the mouth, it is necessary to immediately eat yogurt or chew an acidophilus capsule to replenish the beneficial flora in the mouth. Because the germ count after such a cleaning will be artificially reduced, and because yeasts are opportunists, they would be the first to come back. By having the yogurt or acidophilus then, a more normal oral flora will result and thrush will be better controlled.
Since yeast germs feed on sugars and starches, avoid simple carbohydrates including sugars, starches, and some fruits. Refer to the diet outlined below.
Prescription medications may be necessary. Mycelex troches and Nystatin liquid are not the best choice, for they contain large amounts of simple sugars. Instead, Nystatin oral powder is preferred, as it does not contain sugar. It is mixed with water, and swished and swallowed four times daily. Systemic antifungals tablets (Diflucan, Lamisil, Nizoral) may be necessary.
INTESTINAL TRACT: An overgrowth of yeast here will ferment dietary sugars and starches, forming acids, gas, and alcohols. Symptoms include gas, heartburn and/or pain in the stomach area, and because of the alcohol, there can be headaches, dizziness, lightheadedness, wooziness and post-meal fatigue. To clear intestinal yeast, first the oral cavity must be cleared so yeast does not reenter the system with every swallow. Avoid sweets, starches, fruits and juices to starve the germs. Use PLAIN yogurt daily, and acidophilus, 2 capsules three times daily after meals. Systemic antifungal medications may be needed.
VAGINAL: An occasional vaginal yeast infection can be controlled with products such as Monistat cream or suppositories. If it is a recurrent or ongoing problem, then it often reflects a simultaneous intestinal infection, re-infecting the genital area with every bowel movement. Therefore follow the above protocol for intestinal overgrowth, and use topical preparations such as Monistat concurrently for up to two weeks.
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YEAST CONTROL DIET (Restricted carbohydrate regimen)
FOODS ALLOWED
Meat, fish, fowl, cheese, eggs, dairy, tofu
FRUITS
Only high fiber fruits are allowed Fruits are only allowed at the end of a meal, and never on an empty stomach ALLOWED Grapefruit, tomatoes, avocado, lemons, limes
SMALL AMOUNTS ONLY! (The high fiber content in these makes up for the carbohydrates) Pears, apples, strawberries, etc.
NOT ALLOWED Oranges, watermelons, bananas, grapes, etc. (too much sugar and not enough fiber)
VEGETABLES
Green vegetables and salads are O.K. Avoid starchy vegetables (potato, rice, beans, etc.)
STARCHES
If it is made from flour, it is not allowed! (No breads, cereals, cake, etc.)
SWEETENERS
NOT ALLOWED No sugars at all; no fructose or corn syrup, and no honey
ALLOWED (if tolerated) Aspartame, Nutrasweet, Equal; saccharin products allowed but not recommended
DRINKS
ALLOWED Vegetable juices, water, seltzer, diet sodas, coffee and tea without sugar or caffeine NOT ALLOWED Fruit juices, regular sodas, any drinks sweetened with sugars, syrups or honey
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cantgiveupyet
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Thanks so much heather for posting this. I had not seen this in Dr B's guidelines....and ive been struggling with what to eat and not eat.
Even though ive done the NO carb before....this time i cannot cheat....so i have to find a plan and stick to it.
Plain yougurt might take something for me to get used to , i tried it once and i could not stomach it.
part of me does feel relief and will feel better if this works. Ive been down this path so many times since treatment began.
Thanks again for posting :-)
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PS...I thought someone said that Dr B no longer recommends aspartame? Most drs say NO to that one.
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cantgiveupyet
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thanks lymetoo :-)
that little similey was so cute!!!
I cant eat the aspartame it makes me so sick..i can taste it immediately in any food. I heard they did a recent study and it only causes cancer in rats not humans.....who knows?
Yep, the ketes are camped out, but i did see improvement on cedax with my bladder. It hurt at first but then eased up a bit recently.
thanks again lymetoo for posting that link!
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