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SAK
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Has anyone heard of colostrum for 'curing' Lyme. This congressman was cured in 2 weeks he says!

The article below is the full story of how former US congressman Berkley Berdell was cured

of his Lyme disease by injecting his blood into the udder of a pregnant cow and then taking the colostrum of that cow.

Berkley Berdell finally used this alternative method, because for two years he used antibiotics and they did not do anything.

The article details how a person with Lyme Disease could do the same thing. Anyone, any thoughts??

Here it is:
Universal Oral Vaccine: The Immune Milk Saga
by Anthony di Fabio

How to Obtain Properly Prepared Colostrum
Ordinarily the simplest way to obtain the proper antibodies and complement

required for your particular medical condition would be to purchase products manufactured by a

company that has many years of experience preparing these products.

Such products are available for animals from several companies,
but - unfortunately - by law their specially

prepared disease-specific
products cannot be sold for human use, only to

farmers who wish to protect
their animals from disease cheaply and simply.

As a matter of fact, the
company with the most experience is so terrified of legal involvement and

possible bankruptcy from the FDA and US Department of Agriculture that they
refuse to permit their name to be used in

connection with this or any other
article. For purposes of this article they shall be called Farm Products,Inc.

This is very much reminiscent of governmental restrictions on the use of

DMSO- dimethylsulfoxide, an inexpensive by-product of paper production that

is a very strong antioxidant and can be used to rapidly relieve pain. Any veterinarian supply house has it for sale to

farmers for animals, but humans are not supposed to use it except under physician supervision.

Symbiotics, LLC, Sedona, Arizona, sells colostrum as a nutritional substance guaranteed

to "contain a minimum of 30% immunoglobulin content."

Their colostrum is obtained from New Zealand Dairies and advertised to be from "healthy, pasture-fed, dairy cows that are

pesticide, antibiotic and hormone free." That last, by itself, as compared to milk products

produced
in the United States, is something of a miracle!

In an article by Morton Walker, DPM in connection with Symbiotics,46 (quoting a number of investigators),

therapeutic components found within
colostrum include a wide-range of substances such as immunoglobulins,

lactoferrin, proline-rich polypeptides, leukocytes, lysozymes, enzymes,
cytokines, glycoproteins and trypsin inhibitors,

lymphokines, oligo
polysaccharides and glycoconjugate saccharides, and many other substances.

This multiplicity of factors helps to neutralize toxins and counters
microbial attacks, reduces incidence of cancer

and chronic fatigue,
regulates the thymus gland while stimulating and regulating immunities and

also interferon production to slow viral activities, boosts immune system
and T-cell activity, and so on.

Whether or not standard colostrum products sold in farm supply stores -
such as for E. coli - is effective even for

animals probably depends upon
many factors far beyond the control of the average consumer, such as

production method, length of shelf life, bacterial strains used, and so on.

Farm Products', Inc. standard products for a dairy herd include colostrum
preparations against salmonella, staphylococcus,

streptococccus, E. Coli,
pseudomonas, cornyebacteria, klebsiella-

pasteurella, Candida albicans, clostridium, aerobacter aerogenes, proteus, and chlamydia.

A dietary supplement called Biomune OSF PlusT contains an extract from
colostrum and whey acquired from immunologically

stimulated cows. This
extract 100 mg, is combined in capsule form with a Chinese herb, Astragalus membranaceus 200 mg,

in a base of rice powder. The product was developed by Quantum Research, Inc. a biotech research company that develops

nutritional supplements and homeopathic remedies, of Scottsdale, Arizona.

The synergistic action of the extract with the Chinese herb helps to

stimulate natural killer cell -NK- activity. Stanley Olsztyn, M.D., Jesse Stoff, M.D. and

other health professionals have had very good results with

this product. In a population of 107 participants-59 females, 48 males-
average age 53 years ranging from 17 thru 83)

initial killer cell activity
was 18 Lytic Units -a measure of killer cell activity- and the final killer

cell activity was 246 Lytic Units, an average of 28.556 Lytic units increase
per month, or an average of improvement as

measured by killer cell activity
of 1,267% per month.

By comparison, the average NK cell activity in the U.S. population is 20-50, whereas in a healthy population it is 150-225.

Accompanying this dramatic increase in Natural Killer T cell activity were
vast improvements in the population of 107

consisting of 50% cancer
patients, 30% chronic fatigue syndrome, and the remaining 20% a mixed bag of

lupus, allergies, fibromyalgia, blood disorders, hepatitis C, colitis,
chronic infections, recurrent infections,

autoimmune diseases, and cervical
dysplasia/metaplasia.

Average time of treatment was 13.2 months taking from 2 to 8 capsules
daily.

It should not be necessary to point out that these are remarkable improvements or remissions of many so-called incurable diseases.

According to Quantum Research, Inc. President David L. Bergsma, no patents were obtained for the whey product component used to stimulate

natural killer cell activity, and so their only protection is to maintain their
proprietary secret while making their products

available as a "dietary
supplement" for doctors and lay people.

Former Iowa Congressman Berkley Bedell suffered from Lyme Arthritis
disease caused by Borrelia burgdorferi, a

bacteria from a tick usually found
on deer.

Lida Mattman, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, Department of Biology, Wayne
State University, Detroit, Michigan, and author

of Cell Wall Deficient Forms: Stealth Pathogens,42 says of ticks: "No state wants to admit they have any Lyme disease.

It is bad for tourist trade and therapy is expensive. It is better to let the patient disintegrate into a wheel chair or a mental

institution. Actually, this spirochete disease, like the syphillis spirochete disease of the 13th century, has

invaded every block of every city in the civilized world.

However, unlike syphillis, this [disease] is
spread by mosquito, tick, mite, probably household contact, as well as

trans-placentally. Like syphilis this disease is the great imitator,
attacking joints, heart, brain, etc. We looked

at spinal fluid, blood, and
synovial fluid of over 500 cases who had symptoms of Lyme [arthritis

disease], and found the spirochete of the same genus, in most patients."43

About 10% of Lyme Arthritis victims do not get well by conventional
medical treatments, and Congressman Bedell was

one of those. Bedell,2
testifying before Congress, said, "I left Congress because I came down with

Lyme [Arthritis] Disease which I contracted while fishing at Quantico Marine
Base, and which conventional treatment failed to

relieve. After three series
of heavy antibiotics infused into my veins over a period of two years, I

finally turned to unconventional treatment. My symptoms disappeared and
today I am clearly free of Lyme Disease.

"Let me tell you about that treatment. There is a company in our own state of Iowa, Mr. Chairman, that produces a product for livestock by injecting

killed germs into the udder of a cow prior to the time the cow has a calf.
When the cow has the calf they then take the

first milk that the cow gives,
which is called colostrum, and process it into whey so that it will keep.

"The theory is that the cow will communicate the disease to the unborn
calf, and will develop the antibodies, or

whatever, in the colostrum to
protect the newly-born calf from that disease.

"After I took a teaspoon of this whey every 1-1/2 hours for a few weeks,
my symptoms of Lyme [Arthritis Disease]

disappeared, and I no longer suffer
from that disease. Because of the publicity of my case, I get frequent phone

calls from desperate people who have been unable to get relief from Lyme
[Arthritis Disease] with conventional treatment.

It breaks my heart that I
cannot tell them about my treatment, because no one has been willing to

spend the millions and millions of dollars necessary to get FDA approval to
market this special whey. I can tell you it

cured what appeared to be
arthritis in my knee in 15 minutes.

"I have talked to a doctor in Wisconsin who was using this material. He claims 80-90%

success in treating patients like me for whom conventional

treatments have not been effective. He has now been advised by the Iowa producer that the

material will no longer be available because the producer is afraid of the FDA."

It could have been added that the US Department of Agriculture can also

act as a strong deterrent, preventing crossing the line from animals to humans.

We hope and pray for a much more mature Department of Agriculture and FDA

who will grant permission to renew studies on the use of this already well-developed technology.

These products especially prepared for
maintaining the health of farm mammals should be

easily available for us, too. After all, we're also mammals, and deserve equal consideration!

A Second Possibility is to Bootleg the Treatment

Herb Saunders, the dairy farmer who cured Congressman Bedell when no licensed physician had been able to do so, was prosecuted on the

report of the FDA in St. James, Minnesota by the state prosecuting attorney for practicing medicine without a license.

Saunders had been treating - and curing - humans of a wide variety of diseases for many

years, including cancer. For the most part, he used

standard products prepared for treatment of cattle, and, when necessary, he
used dead microorganisms -such as Borrelia

burgdorfi bacteria- passed
through the cow's cistern prior to collecting the colostrum.

When all else failed, he'd pass human blood from the sick person through the cow's cistern. Each person's blood contains a wide variety of

microorganisms - especially when sick - that are unknown, or unacknowledged by most physicians, but are recognized and acknowledged by the cow.

The colostrum thus obtained for the next 10 days was fed back to the sick person just as

would be the standardized products made for the use and health of cattle.

According to immune milk pioneer, Herb Struss, Ph.D., colostrum obtained by injecting whole human blood into the cow's cistern does not

produce auto-immune reactions to one's own blood. "It's one of the first things we
checked," Struss says.

Saunders was selling bovine colostrum "first milk" as a potential cure for cancer. "Saunders would sell each patient a cow for $2,500, but

keep the cow on his farm. He would inject a sample of each patient's blood into the

cow's udder [cistern], and then sell the colostrum to the cow's owner for
$35 a bottle. Saunders told an undercover state

agent who posed as a cancer patient that he would 'cough out' his cancer within months if he

would take colostrum, [and to] refrain from chemotherapy.

"After two weeks of [court] trial - the longest this small community had ever seen -

the result was a hung jury. The 6-person jury voted 5-1 to

convict, but the last holdout, a part-time social studies teacher,
apparently couldn't decide whether Saunders was

practicing medicine without
a license or offering an alternative type of care that is not medical practice."5

Former Congressman Berkley Bedell provided $21,000 for Saunders' expenses. Attorney Calvin Johnson's services were free.

Reported by attorney Calvin Johnson, Herb Saunders' second trial once again resulted in a

hung jury, reportedly more hung than the first one, with 3 jurors resisting indictment.

The district attorney dismissed the case on
May 30, 1996, and will not retry Saunders again!

Herb Saunders, now deceased, hiked his price up for blood-injected cistern colostrum to
$10,000!

Saunders approach seems to be well bstantiated by the work of many scientists over a period of more than 40 years.

By this second approach, it's up to you to find dairymen, and to convince them to risk prosecution as they secretly treat you.

If blood is to be drawn from you, it should be injected into the cow's cistern immediately on being drawn from your arm at least once a week

for four weeks before the calf is
born.

Buy Your Own Cow or Goat

While not at all advising that the law be broken, in answer to the technical questions of how immune milk is obtained, Herbert Struss, PhD

suggests that a "springing heifer" be used to prepare the right colostrum for you.

A "springing heifer" is a cow that has not given birth to prior calves.

He reports that immune milk is obtained by innoculating into the cistern

with the use of a 20 ml syringe - about 5 milliliters of the antigenic or

allergenic material is passed through each of the four teats with a cannula
(specially designed reed or tube) at weekly

intervals, one month before the calf's birth.

He also reports that those who must use human blood -for cancer, for example) as their antigenic material take about 10 milliliters from the

human which is then distributed at 2-1/2 milliliters to each teat, or bovine gland, immediately.

Ten days of milking, at most, is usable, although the first 24-48 hours of pre-milk

produced from the cow's mammary gland after birth is usually defined as "colostrum."

According to Philip Derse of Derse & Schroeder Associates, modern technology permits extracting

many of the active transfer factors from whole
milk, long after the colostrum phase.

But we're speaking here of do-it-yourself methods!

One lady reported that, after being treated by Herb Saunders for Multiple Sclerosis, she's had

no attack for more than 2 years! She also told me of a

Multiple Sclerosis support group in North Dakota that chooses not to be identified, as they have

their own dairy herd, and have been treating
themselves.

Early virological and immunological studies have suggested that Multiple Sclerosis is an

auto-immune disease triggered by a German Measles viral infection, also used to prepare the colostrum.

In a 1984 study reported in Medical Microbiology and Immunology19 IgA-rich

cow colostrum containing anti-measles lactoglobulin resistant proteases was

orally administered to patients with multiple sclerosis. Measles-positive

antibody colostrum was orally administered every morning to 15 patients with

multiple sclerosis at a daily dosage of 100 ml for 30 days. Similarly,

measles-negative antibody control colostrum - 8-was orally administered to

5 patients. Of 7 anti-measles colostrum recipients, 5 patients improved and

2 remained unchanged. Of 5 negative, < 8. recipients, 2 patients remained

unchanged and 3 worsened. These findings suggested the efficacy of orally

administered anti-measles colostrum in improving the condition of multiple sclerosis patients -P < 0.05.

A patient had gross, raised blotches of skin Psoriasis that would not heal

no matter what treatments were tried. A liquid preparation of colostrum staphylococcus

antibody/complement was
taken orally, 1 teaspoon each hour, and a cotton ball was also used to wipe

the mixture on the Psoriasis blotches. The wiping on of the liquid was done

every time itching occurred, and also occassionally throughout the next few

days. Also the oral treatment of the liquid was continued each hour.

Within a day, all blotches were reduced in size. Within two days, only the longest standing, and grossest blotches remained.

Finally, all marks were gone!

Unfortunately, it seems, the treatment could not be continued to proper end point, and the

patient, also having Lyme Arthritis disease and other immune problems, regressed.

He is now undergoing trials of specially
prepared Quantum Research, Inc. products, and

later was successfully treated
with a variety of methods by William J. Mauer,
D.O. of Arlington Heights, Illinois.

When describing the rapidly disappearing Psoriasis patches to my son, Tony Chapdelaine, MD,

his website search uncovered a research paper reporting on
the staphylococcus relationship to psoriasis.

One doctor who called The Arthritis Trust of America, asked what was
available for treating Lyme Arthritis disease.

Of course, Berkley Bedell's experience was quoted, and the doctor was

advised - almost in jest - that first s/he'd need a milk cow. Surprisingly,

s/he answered that she had room for a milk cow at her farm.

So here's another way: With others, or alone, buy a cow or nanny goat, get
it pregnant, and do your own treatment!

Next Month: Part 4: The Proper Way to Obtain Effective Colostrum

Correspondence:

Anthony di Fabio

The Arthritis Trust

7376 Walker Road

Fairview, Tennessee 37062 USA

Website: www.arthritistrust.org

[ 03. May 2006, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: SAK ]

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SAK
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Has anyone heard about colostrum as effective for Lyme?

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Dave6002
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Interesting.

Kind of like vaccination or immune system enhancement.

Worth trying if it's possible

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Kentucky Girl
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HMMMMMN.
Very interesting,

We live on a farm and raise horses, but our farm neighbors raise cattle. I wonder if they would be interested in a little deal.

I have to check this out, although taking something every hour may be difficult.

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Dave6002
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Not sure but on the internet you might find similar products out there?

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Dave6002
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Yup, just googled "Colostrum" and found a bunches of sites sell this thing.

Just wondering anybody tried and had good results?

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Lymetoo
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Nothing new here. If it was such a great thing, we'd all be cured by now. Maybe his Lyme was caught early?

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TheCrimeOfLyme
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This flew around a few years ago. I dont know if this article is the same article from say 3 years ago or if someone else cured themselves using the colostrum.

How old is the article?

I guess it would need to be tried out. Im not sure why it didn't work. Im sure it was de-theorized.

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klutzo
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I took one of the best colostrum products (New Life Colostrum Plus Lactoferrin) for 3 months with no results, until I read that it cannot survive stomach acid, so oral products are a waste of money. Fooled again!

Colostrum works by pushing your immunity back towards Th1, a good idea if you are very Th2 dominant, which I am. How do you know? If you have become chemically sensitive and allergic to everything, you are Th2 dominant.

I think the idea of injecting your own blood into a pregnant cow and then injecting the colostrum into yourself when the calf is born may be different, since it bypasses the stomach, but I think it is also illegal, so be careful.

BTW, for animal lovers like me, I did some checking and neither the cow nor the calf is supposed to be hurt by this because cows don't get Lyme. However, I recently asked the wife of a Veterinarian and she says cows do get Lyme. I have no idea who to believe.

Klutzo

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dontlikeliver
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In 2001, I took Colostrum and Colloidal Silver for six months. Nothing happened.

Of course, I hadn't innoculated my own personal cow with my blood, perhaps that's where difference lies.

How would we go about doing that though, even if we wanted to try it. Not an easy thing to do unless you're a farmer maybe.

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bettyg
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SAK, could you put the web site where you got all of this please? If there isn't any, could you edit your post so it looks like the majority of ours on here, and double space between EACH paragraph please.

I can't read a single thing the way it is set up due to my neuro brain lyme ... can't follow that block of text cut up so badly. I'm not trying to sound nick-picking; that's just what my lyme bran requires with 34 yrs. of NOT being treated for lyme.

Berkley is from IOWA! Never met him but heard of this over & over. He had to quit from congress due to it.

Someone recently was going to contact him about lyme advocacy just recently I read on this board.

Colostrum cure? Berkeley is an example.
I know of another Iowa woman who chose this, got much better, but the lyme is very bad in her brain, causing personality/major mood swing problems.

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luvs2ride
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Hi Klutzo,

I don't know about cows, but horses do get Lyme. I would think cows could too.

Isn't it dead borellia that is injected into the udder? This makes the immune system create the antibody but the dead 'kete can't harm the host. (I guess)

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Lymetoo
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Betty, the text of what SAK posted looks that way because she copied it. It would take her a long time to fix it.

So....I hope she comes up with the link for us.

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Dave6002
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Using inactivated pathogens to stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies aganist the pathogens, the Vaccination, is the deadliest and most efficent weapon human being ever used to fight micro-organisms.

We could inject dead Bbs into our blood to stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against Bbs, which will act as tiny missiles tracking down and kill Bbs.

We could use our body to do this.

Or using other healthy animals (their immune system not impaired, ours are impaired by Lyme. So probably we prefer using animals) to produce Bb antibodies.

Then the Bb antibodies will be isolated and purified and injected into our bodies.

One big problem with this is: the animal produced Bb antibodies will be acting as antigens and invoking immune reaction.

So probably this is not going to work.

However if you can humanized these antibodies, it is going to work.

Herceptin that is being used against beast cancers is a successful examples of humanized antibodies injectable for humans.

As for using Lyme patients' blood to immunize animals, that is not going to work.

Cuze, the immune system of the animal will recognize our blood as a array of foreign antigens and will generate antibodies to eliminated these antigens.

Similarily, our immune system will act against the animal blood that has been injected into our blood.

I am not sure if the animals and the humans would survive such blood transfusion.

So for injecting dead Bb into our blood stream, theoritically, it should work.

However, beware of not invoking autoimmune in our bodies.

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SAK
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this issue. I'm real hesitant to buy a cow and do this . . .

I'm so sorry for pasting the article without making it readable for everyone! [Eek!]

I wasn't given then link so I'm not sure...

I searched for it and I think this might be the link: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Oct/ai_78900841#continue

Just in case, I went back and edited my post. I spaced text every 2/3 lines.

I hope that it's better now. Please let me know. My apologies.

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bettyg
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Sak, God bless you for going back and editing your post.

You might be interested in something I worked on earlier tonight, a paper I got from my new LLMD 2 wks. ago, CELIAC SPRUE TEST RESULTS from Eterolabs. Since I reformatted the entire thing .. breaking it up galore, etc.; it's now 12 pages of info.

Colostrum is mentioned in there as well as the gene numbers, etc. TOO TECHNICAL for tis lyme grin.

IF you are, plese be sure to PM me and make me aware of this.

I'll do it as time permits. God 2 moe boxes of blood, urine, boels, & mouth swabs to do & mail TODAY.

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jarjar
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I googled Berkley Bidell Lyme and pulled up more material then I have time to read at the moment. Will have to read when I have more time.

Perhaps we should set up a farm in Mexico and get awsy from Big Brother? If it works people from all over would flock to it.

Jar

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just don
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Somehow I feel compelled to reply to this post.

I hear from an LLMD that knew Berkly Bedell personally(not so sure he didnt go see him as an LLMD).

He told me that Mr. Honorable Bedell said he was cured of lyme 'disase' but the 'arthritis' part still bothered him.

My question is IF you have lyme arthritis, dont you have lyme disease???

Okay on to next point. When a cow has a calf and calf sucks cow it transters immunity thru that colostrum.

BUT the calf HAS to suck cow in first 12 hours or so, after that a 'window' or opening of the calves stomach closes and immunity is forever gone.

Now given us humans, how does this transfer factor figure in to that scenario???

I was told by LLMD that colostrum does help many people, BUT again they regress back after quit taking it!! But that was NOT the prepared for YOU stuff of this article!!

I was also told by LLMD that IF I continued to run cows on a creek bottom pasture there was 'no way' to get me and keep me well. (Guess he thought reinfection to be high)

I would be interested in trying this implant the cow thing with your own blood. One hesitation would be,,, I always heard it was hard to find BB in the blood.

So if I inject this cow with blood that may or may not have the right blood cells with BB in it, it would waste my time and the cows time!!

How can I be sure of getting my BB into the cow??? How prevalant is BB in the blood??(not just the antibody titters)

Sorry if I mucked up this thread, but these are the things that come to mind when discussing this topic!! I cant help but be --just don--, without a clue, for the most part!!

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klutzo
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Hi luvs2ride,
I thought what I read said the Bb patient's blood was injected into the cow as is, but it's been a long time since I read that. A someone mentioned here, the cow's immune system should treat our blood as foreign and attack it. It might even cause a serious shock problem...don't know enough to comment.

Don,
I think the prevelance of Bb in blood depends upon how early in the infectious process you are, and on how high your level of infection is. Normally, earlier stages would show up in the blood. However, I was not dx'd correctly until I'd been sick for 21 years, but on the Bowen test, my serial dilution (the amt. in my blood) was so high that there was plenty of Bb in my blood, in the L-form.

Sorry I don't know answers to some of the other good questions you asked....

Klutzo

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just don
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So can anybody explain why we would transter immunity to ourselfs when an animal cant after a certain amount of hours old??? I sure WISH this would work!!

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Dave6002
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Sorry, in theory, it's not going to work.

The cow generated Bb antibodies are proteins and they will be destroyed by our digestive system.

Even they do enter our blood stream, they will be recognized as foreign antigens and eliminated by our immune system.

If it's working, it may not work the way science already known.

However, immunization of ourself by inactivated Bbs cultured from patients theoritically may work.

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spookydew
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Maybe if you have leaky gut syndrome the good stuff
will pass through your gut and be absorbed.
You can also use a goat.

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