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I just found a post where Gigi mentioned Dr K using these for autistic children.
Anyway I was wanting to know if anyone has done these?
And in what order they should be done?
And timing with the moon, being on flaygl (or maybe I wouldn't need the tinidazole, if using metronidazole?) and other antibiotics (most likely either Zith or Doxy) etc.
I finally have a Dr who will prescribe what I need. (I think)
I have decided to spend my $ on the drugs rather than testing that will most likely be negative anyway.
Vermox, Biltricide, Tinidazole, Alinia, and Sputnik.
Thanks for any input. Also if you have dosing info and duration. I weigh about 150lbs. Does this cover most critters? Or are there other drugs I should do. I was thinking I would do one round of each and then maybe one more round again.
If successful I will need to figure out how to get the rest of the household treated before I get reinfected.
lyme x 8
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Why don't you bring up my old post, please! I doubt very much that I ever mentioned autistic children in connection with the mentioned medicines or Sputnik.
Please do, Lymex.
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It is the 7th response to the question. I don't know how to copy it here. Sorry!
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This is what I posted some months ago:
posted 27 February, 2006 11:34 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [QUOTE] Per the recent Neurotoxin/Lyme Mediated Illnesses Seminar taught by Dr. K., Some Common Treatments Used for Children with Autism : (per Dr. A.D.'s presentation)
Lyme: Every autistic child tested so far through IgenX has been positive! PC-Samento, PC-Noni, SprioNil, Cumanda, PhytoLymex
Fungal: Diflucan, Nystatin, Yeast/Fungal Defense
Tonsils: Pleo Not and/or Pleo San Pseu. Full ENT evaluation for chronic enlarged tonsils since this backs up drainage from brain
Viruses: Vitamin A, Monolaurin, Olive leaf, Read Algae, Mycophyto Complex as tea, Yasko RNA remedies, Viral Detox, Trifal
Kidneys: This organ is an absolute must to support if you are clearing metals!!!! Renelix, Matrix Electrolutes, Burdock, Acupuncture neural therapy, K Drain, Emergen C
Liver: Hepatica, Dandelion Root, Burdock, Ultrathistle, Castor Oil Packs, Coffee enemas (not on very young)
Metals: TD-DMPS, TD-DMSA, BioPure Chlorella prenoidosa or CGF Chlorella, BioPure CGF liquid, Biopure Cilantro tincture, NDF, Heavy Metal Detox by Transformation, multi-minerals (liquid forms seem easiest for kids to tolerate
General Detox Support: Glutathione (nebulized, IV or lipoceutical), B12/folic acid from AMT (go to www.defeatautismyesterday.com for Dr. Vinitsky's protocol or Dr. Neubrander's protocol for methylcobalamin s.c.injections), Epsom salt and baking soda baths, Thorne Calcium Magnesium Citrate powder to keep bowels moving, Fibercleanse for toxin binding (www.newsundhealth.com), Cod Liver Oil by Carlsons or Nordic Naturals (DHA Junior by Nordic Naturals.
Please note the children are always ART (Autonomic Response Testing) to determine the correct order of treatment, i.e. what is most urgent to treat first, etc., and tested for the compatibility with the different products. That way many of problems over excessive reactions are avoided.
Hope this helps. [QUOTE]
Please note that I said that all of these are ART tested in order to determine compatibility and sequencing.
My husband and I did all of the parasite treatments, after doing a general cleanse of Arise & Shine.
Also note that when you kill of parasites, you start to release heavy metals and others (viruses) that live within the parasites. It is one huge ecosystem - if you attack one, the others surface. If you don't, chances of getting well are small.
I think that is a decision your doctor should make. Re Parasites: I do recall that after Arise & shine, we did the Sputnik, then the mildest of the meds, Biltrizide. Alinia was the last. It is done longer than is the rule. I am talking for adults, I do not know dosing for children at all. Possible some of these are included when given to bigger children?? All depends on parasite load. All Lymides seem to have an overgrowth of parasites.
These are just general guidelines and have to be chosen depending on patient condition. Often it takes other treatment before people will tolerate some of the above.
Take care.
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got your pm... not much new to add to what gigi said, but just wanted to reiterate that in our experience (both adults) the anti-parasitics were ART tested to determine which to do, and in what order. to date, we've both done tinnidazole, praziquantel, and alinia. each provoked different reactions in each of us, and were done for different lenghs of time. i am allergic to garlic, and cannot take it, so that was not an option for me, but P was also put on freeze-dried garlic following one of the courses of tinnidazole as a follow up.
during all of these treatemnts we made sure we were on binding agents of various kinds. my boyfriend took at various moments cholestyramine, fibercleanse, and CGF chlorella, while i took fibercleanse and chlorella pyrendosa.
we also did regular colonics (in the middle of each course and at the end, especially important for the alinia in my opinion.) not sure whether this would be advised or good for kids. of course, i don't know whether or how one uses any of these things with kids, and i'd certainly want to do it in careful consultation with one of the docs who already does this kind of work with children. even if it was on the phone, helping you through with your local doc.
finally, throughout all the anti-parasitics, we ate tons of probiotics, rotating a few kinds, including the super expensive but good BioK stuff you can get at the healthfood store, beta Glucan (whihc is good for dairy sensitive types), and pharmax HLC. we also ate lots of fresh veggies, fruit in the morning, yogurt, etc. geenrally high protein, high fiber and low sugar.
hope this helps...... best of luck
flossie
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GiGi, how reliable is Parasite testing in Dr. K's opinion? Could it present a similar diagnostic dilemma as lyme and co-infections?
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In case I did not say this clearly enough: I would not take any chances with children and these parasite meds. There needs to be a doctor involved.
Alinia, before it was FDA approved (Daxon), used to be sought after by HIV people. It was tough to get. It is expensive even now and any normal doc will only give a few days of it.( It is easier to get and less expensive if you look around.) The six days or whatever is run-of-the-mill protocol will not even make a dent. It needs to be taken longer.
With Alinia - the worms, wherever they are ----- they are also in the brain - yes, I said in the brain --- literally disintegrate, and you need to do a number of colonics. Yes, colonics, because the debris has to go somewhere and needs assist to leave the body. If you have ever seen a picture of these critters, you will understand why. I have!
Foggy, no, there is no conclusve lab test. There are so many different worms and parasites today -- many can't even find a tapeworm!!! Dr. K. literally sent them a tapeworm that a patient brought in after the lab insisted that there was none to be found in the testing, after ART hat established that the patient had one. I have heard that the testing is getting a wee bit better, but I would not stake my health on it.
The medicines I mentioned work on the different parasites. So it does not make much difference. Dr. K. usually starts with Salt & C and or Biltrizide. The Sputnik for the smaller creatures. Alinia is the strongest.
If we have Lyme, we have metals, and if you have these, we have everything else. I have never seen it any other way. It's wishful thinking and anyone trying to avoid it will delay their healing. It's easier to determine with ART.
You might read that again. A reminder to anyone who is doing parasites. If you do any parasite eradication, be sure to treat the metals; dead parasites leave the metals behind --- We have parasites: they sort of keep a handle on the metals - and when the metals and parasites get too much, all are on the move. Often the metals are treated alongside or following the parasite treatments.
Even if you just do Salt & C, you have to pay attention to the metals that are being released. They are not going to go away on their own, but will redistribute themselves someplace else in the body unless you take the proper agents. It is one eternal merry-go-round unless it is done right. And even done right, sometimes the treatments have to be repeated as the body is able to release more.
Flossie spelled it out quite well.
Take care.
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