I seem to be having digestive issues again. And wanted to ask for a few opinions and any other experiences that you may want to share with this problem.
Last night, I had a salad for diner, it was the first portion of greens that I have had in about a week.
(you may want to stop reading right here if you have a weak tummy )
Within 20 minutes of finishing...I had to make a sudden trip to the restroom due to watery ``D''. The greens that made their way through at that time were undigested.
SORRY, I would normally never speak of such things, but I am perplexed, and could use some answers.
I have had leaky gut syndrome (LGS) in the past, and this event was very common for me at that time.
After doing a bit of research this morning, I found out that the ``normal'' digestive time for greens is about 5 hours...not quite the 20 minutes that I experienced.
Soooo, the question is- Can anyone think of any other reason that this may be happening besides LGS, and has anyone else had similar experiences?
I have a hard time thinking this is due to new meds...or herxing (although I am)
Thanks so much in advance and please forgive my less than ``lady-like'' topic.
Melanie
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Ladylike??? Sorta natural "I THINK"
Is that related to what I heard, Ladies dont perspire,,,"they glisten"
Like E.F. Hutton, """when Melanie speaks,,, everybody listens!!!"""
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Good morning poops-a-plenty.
This use to happen to me ALL the time with salads... most often when going out to Golden Coral and such. It took me a LONG time to figure out what caused it.
Turned out they washed/soaked the lettuce in a solution that use to be called "potatoe whitener" or something like that. It was used to make brownish or day old lettuce, potatoes etc... look fresh again. Possibly a bleach of some sort?? Even if re-washed.. the stuff stays on- or in the lettuce.
Anyhow.. it was either that causing the problem...
OR.. my other PROVEN theory.. the ranch dressing. For some reason some brands (most) have something.. a preserative.. I dunnno.. in it that has me on the pot before I can put the dirty dishes in the sink... and you can set your clock to it.. about 20 minutes.
I love the taste of the stupid ranch dressing.. but it tends to do that to me.
I have NO clue if any of this would be your situation.. just tossing it out there in an effort to help.
Last thought.. if you end up on the pot again tomorrow, like today... (you may still have a little in your system so maybe give it an extra day)... then I would rule out the theories above.
When it happened to me.. I'd have one "episode".. then maybe another 1/2 "episode".. then it cleared up.
My goodness, it sure is nice chatting with YOU this morning! I can't WAIT to see tomorrow's topic!
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I thought I would add the additional info below. I know you won't do it.. but I'll just go ahead and say it anyway... to hear myself talk.
Drink lots of water.. and do consider LGS or.. or.. or.. darn it all.. ya take Flagyl for it.. what's it called??? .. you know the name of the stuff .... if it happens again.
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Tincup seems to have the best possible answer.
I can only give you my experience with LGS which was a burn in the stomach when I ate. This burn was so painful it stopped me from eating another bite.
Changing to a vegan diet gave me immediate relief and in the beginning raw foods like salad were too harsh although they did not cause "D" (can't remember how to spell it). They just caused discomfort.
I'm betting it is the yucky spray on the salad fixins' unless you made this salad at home. Then it has to be something else.
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dear tincup, i'm so glad you figured out the golden corral vegie-wash problem! i've always suspected that's one reason why i can't eat out....get horridly sick almost every time.
now, i'm wondering if they use that freshener chemical for those STAY-FRESH-ENDLESSLY, bagged, triple-washed greens everyone is buying? i don't buy them!
if "ingredients" are in the product in small enough amounts, the company is not obligated to put them on the label! this is deceptive and wrong, of course. some of us MUST have accurate info before we buy anything. dianne
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Morning Don and TC,
I AM drinking tons of water! I am constantly thirsty, so thsat is not an issue...my urine is almost clear at this point.
Hmmm...The veggies from last night said "organic" and "pre-washed", and the dressing- blue cheese and a touch of olive oil, is something I have been eating for about a year.
NOT disputing your theory...especvially since this happened to you as well, just perplexed still.
I think you are referring to H. pylori?
Also, forgot to mention...when this happened last night, it took abouit 20 more minutes...and I completely crashed- big time. Symptoms hit the roof and I felt very weak, blurry mind and vision, sudden waves of chills, and extremely tired. Oh, and my temp was about 100.? (cant recall now).
Anyhow, something is sure amiss over here in river-city...
Gotta run now, and thank you both, M
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Perhaps one thing was contaminated with something, since you had a slight fever afterwards, so I would see if oil was old, or lettuce needed to be washed again (or buy a new bag/box and wash).
I would try a lettuce only salad, then another day, lettuce with only organic olive oil,( a new jar and saving the old in case it was not the oil....maybe it is the brand?)
Another thought: I heard that blue cheese was a not a good idea if fungal issues were involved.
Another thought: maybe liver/gall bladder over reacting to either cheese or oil (fats), after their absence (="dumping")? Have you tried just olive oil/lemon juice for dressing, as I have heard this is supposed to help gall bladder/liver.
Or maybe just something going around?
Hope this was an isolated incident for you. N.
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I had an upset tummy last night.. don't know why.
No.. I don't think that was the reason.
And oh.. by the way...
Someone shot me with 4 poisoned arrows right thru the gut yesterday on my way home from town.
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My very sweetly placed point is.. We are TRYING to help you dear one but it is soooooo hard to "guess" about what might be happening.. and I KNOW time is limited for you to post the entire situation.. so we will keep working together and see if we can come up with something.
Just remember.. We love you and we ARE trying!!!
You said..
"Hmmm...The veggies from last night said "organic" and "pre-washed", and the dressing- blue cheese and a touch of olive oil, is something I have been eating for about a year."
Example- I use to be able to eat the ranch dressing with NO problems.. and ate it faithfully. Then suddenly one day.. WHAM. I also noted blue cheese dressing wasn't "as bad" but sometimes it was.. depending on the day and the brand??
Did you know... if you give a rabbit too many greens at one time they have the same symptoms you did.. and they dehydrate.. and die.
I am sure you didn't go get any of the Pedi-lite I suggested from the grocery store... which might, by the way, help with the Big D.. to replace minerals lost. But thought I'd mention it again... just to be annoying.
Could the "episode" be the point where the gut says... "I'm getting leaky"? I dunno.
Could the dressing/oil/salad have had some bacteria in it? (listeria, other kinds?) I dunno.
Could it be the new meds finally started working and decided to do a flush job and rid the body and/or gut of junk? I dunno.
Could it be a herx? You had a fever and increase in symptoms? And you have been pretty rough lately. I know I tend to miss the herxes when they first hit and I sit around saying... duh.. what could THIS be? You would THINK I could tell by now.. but NO.. I still have trouble identifying it... and I do get worried and/or scared before I figure it out.
Could the kidney thing be a part of this situation? From what I remember... that area felt bad .. then it was hit with antibiotics.. then could it have dumped a load of whatever was the problem as a result? I dunno.
My guess is the salad and/or the dressing. I HOPE that is what is was anyhow.
You may have to do the old wait and "see" what the next move(ment) is... and go from there.
I'm glad you are getting more water now... good. I also suggest NOT using a stop the Big "D" medicine yet (pepto or the like). If there is rotten junk in you.. you WANT to get it out! BUT...
If this lasts much longer... the day you stop at the lab for blood work... have it checked out too!
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hey melanie
Sounds a little like food poisening. The lettuse said pre-washed but you never know what their idea of pre-washed is. And ya never know who handled the lettuse also. Could be any of the mentioned things above too.
Just a thought. Hope you feel better soon
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TC said: "Did you know... if you give a rabbit too many greens at one time they have the same symptoms you did.. and they dehydrate.. and die."
That is interesting: after a winter of hay, a cow can only gradually be introduced to "spring grass", and even then, they still get the Really Biggggg D!
N.
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It sounds likeyou got poised.
On another note: Olive oil is actually used in liver flushes to "flush out" the liver and intestines. That MAY have something to do with it, but then again, it may not.
I had terrible leaky gut and I ran to the bathroom almost every single time I ate. Uh nothing quite formed came out though. ( Sorry, I had no other way to say that).. as in , no food particles could be seen.
Maybe you got poisoned. Maybe the olive oil darnright flushed out what you had just eaten ( and mightly quickly at that)
I dunno but I have a question. Did it hurt?
And in your last post, you said you had to "run". Did you mean you got "the runs"
just jokin
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melanie--
I noticed you were massaging and holding your upper right quad when we met yesterday. Were you having pain there?
If so--it could be the gallbladder thing as folks have suggested.
I cant tolerate uncooked greens very often any longer.
Also---caffiene---caffiene has caused me to RUN to the bathroom and poop out everything I just ate. WIthin 20 minutes like you said.
And lastly there is the artemisinin thing for me---gives me the runs like nothing else. Cant figure out WHY. But it does.
You must be exhausted!!! Take good care of yourself, eat some simple soup or something. I wouldnt worry so much about the carbs -- eat some simple potatoes and/or rice. Sometimes the gut needs some rest and on a low carb diet it is hard to find soothing things!
Thinking of ya, trails
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Hope the distress subsides soon. I can't eat salads right now either....and a whole slew of other foods.
Hugs!!
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Hi Melanie ~ How are you doing today?
Didn't you win with 101.2, last night? That may have been before you ate, not sure. I think you are herxerific, but you already know that. Sorry to state the obvious.
Anyway, I agree with Trails about the Artemisinininin. I have spent much more time in the bathroom (and or wishing that's where I was or hoping that's where I'd be soon). It seems the more I eat the better it's gotten, actually. I only figured out how to eat 2-3 meals in a day a couple of days ago. (bear in mind I also haven't added a second med yet.)
My other thought is this could possibly be a leaky gut and/or fungal issue.
I do hope you're feeling better today.
ps. also consider pedialyte ice pops, they make those you know. *nods*
(TC, thank you for explaining the Golden Corral phenomenon(sp?); I was wondering why that always happens. The only other thing that does that to me is excessive dairy, have to keep the ice cream portions small.)
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I hate stomach issuesand sorry you are dealing wih them right now. Have you entertained a gluten problem? It seems to be the "in" dx these days bit I do think many have an intolerance ........ just a thought.
If all else fails ........ eat ice cream ........ if your gonna feel sick may as well be eating ice cream.
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The other possibility is C. difficile...that is what you were trying to think of that flagyl can treat. You DON'T want C. diff. Trust me on this one.
I am NOT happy to hear that artemecallit can cause the big D. UGH. I ordered Dr. Z's herbs to try to keep my lyme in check, while trying to clear the C. diff...since I'll probably have to go off the bicillin, and I ordered his Artemecallit. I don't need more D.
Sigh.
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The 'big D'... oh my tender sensivities....around here we call it by it's scientific name....'the barb wire squirts'.
OK seriously now...at about your age Jenny developed lactose intolerance...bleu cheese, milk...especially high milkfat content stuff would set it off. She'd be halfway thru a meal and have to go running to the bathroom.
those OTC lactose intolerance pills fixed it. You might want to try that before a more drastic measure that involves self-flagyllation.
one final question....why would anybody want to eat at the golden corral anyway?? It closed here...couldn't compete with the good taquerias....
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quote:Originally posted by charlie: one final question....why would anybody want to eat at the golden corral anyway?? It closed here...couldn't compete with the good taquerias....
Charlie
Um... lack of good taquerias (also decent banana pudding)
Oh, also wanted to add the lactose intolerance thing has some merit. I used to be really bad but now it comes and goes, so to speak.
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Good morning all...and Happy 4th to you!!!
Please forgive me for the delay in answering...it was a bit of a tough day yesterday. BUT, I have today off! (well, actually I need to do a little work...but , oh well, I try not to complain about that, at least I am able to work, and that to me is a blessing)
TC, Don, Luvs, dcook, Northstar, Dana, Jodie, Trails, Miss Toots, Bluebird, Robi, Timica and Charlie-
THANK you all for the replies! It is difficult at times to really convey the gratitude that I feel to each of you who spend your time here helping. Please just know that you are so appreciated!
About the greens- it was a salad that I made at home with all ``organic, pre-washed veggies''...yes, I KNOW that doesn't necessarily mean what it implies. This incident could certainly have been brought out by something in or on those greens...I haven't had the nerve to test that again...but perhaps today I will. HATE to toss all of them out only on a suspicion...so I will try to really wash them well...and test the waters gingerly.
About the dressing- could have been that too, it is difficult to say of course. Maybe I will try one without the other and see if that doesn't help. Did I inadvertently give myself a liver flush? Perhaps...and if so, YIPPEE!
About the food poisoning theory- a very good one, but my stomach did not hurt when this happened. I have had food poisoning before and it seems to me that tummy ache was the number one symptom, and the offending food would decide to exit at BOTH ends, right? NOT discounting that idea, jut saying that it doesn't seem typical, but then again, what really is with TBDs?
About the LGS- yes, when I had this condition previously, my tummy was in constant pain too. It mattered not if I ate or didn't eat, it complained relentlessly...and LOUDLY.
About the herxing- YES, definitely happening over here, and it does bother me because I find myself reliving old habits and pains that I had hoped were long gone...with a few new ouches thrown in for fun. BUT, I also know that since I tackled it once and felt better, I can do it again.
Sometimes it is frightening...especially when I feel the mind slipping away, and I do very dangerous things (like falling down the stairs, or setting off the smoke alarm last night, or putting my automatic car in neutral while cruising down the road...etc.) But mainly it is just disappointing, ya know?
And at times, it is frustrating...like when I forget to pay the rent, or when I wear my slippers to work, and have to turn around and go back home to change, or try to use my car keys for the house and vice versa, or forget what I was just working on for 5 hours straight. At those times, I just have to laugh at myself, or I would surely cry.
But the worse thing to me is when it is just heart-breaking...like when I unintentionally hurt someone's feelings, or have to cancel plans, or forget phone conversations as soon as I hang up, or see others in need that I don't have the ability to help.
Anyway, the list goes on and on and we have all been there, so I'm not saying anything new here, I know.
OK, back to the topic at hand... My temp has come down to 99 something, so I suppose that is good news. And yes, Blue, I do remember that as being the correct number (101.2) now that you have reminded me Yes, that was before I ate.
I am also aware that I am having a significant Candida issue. The one week of Diflucan followed by the Oil of oregano apparently isn't enough to keep this in check...the imaginary bugs have returned...along with obvious signs of Candida elsewhere. I will have to work diligently on that one and perhaps try a different med to knock it back down to a more manageable level. I am being very good on the low carb- no sugar diet, (well, except for a McDonalds cheeseburger that I just HAD to have yesterday), so I really don't think diet alone will manage this for me.
I tried drinking the Pau d' Arco tea (thanks Robi!) But could NOT stomach it. So, my next move will be to try one of the other suggestions that you guys have so generously offered.
I DO understand that the guessing game is very difficult, and I am NOT asking for anyone to even attempt to try and figure all of this out. Heck, even the docs can't do that! I was only asking for common occurrences for a bit of reassurance, (and you HAVE provided me with that) so forgive me if it seemed otherwise, OK?
I KNOW this is complicated, and fleeting, and all those other nebulous qualities that make up a confusing and confounding picture. I KNOW that most likely, there isn't just one and only one reason that we crash at times...it is a chain of mysteries and wide encompassing events that must be worked on a bit at a time.
I do thank you for letting me ask anyway though...and for supplying hope and humor!
Much love, M
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