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stella marie
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During the course of artemisinin therapy can one take antioxidants at all???

Or is it ok take the antioxidants a few hours after/before the art dose?

Just need to clarify conflicting opinions.

Thanks in advance guys,

Stella Marie

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micul
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All antioxidants (incl M Thistle) will limit the effectiveness of Art. So will food. It's very important to keep it 2 hrs away from food. It's really best to take it just before bed with fish oil, borage oil, or some good omega 3 oil. This helps with absorption. Another good time is to take it 1st thing in the morning, an hr before breakfast. That way there is nothing at all in your stomach or small intestine that might interfere.

You can still take antioxidants. Just keep them 4 hrs away from the Art if you can. I take mine at lunch time, and that way they don't interfere with the Art.

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trueblue
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Thank you, stella marie! [kiss]

I've just been thinking about it all week, apparently too stupid to ask flat out. [Roll Eyes]

Thanks micul for some clarification.

So now I have to ask. Is it the same for Malarone? I'm guessing, yes, but it has a much longer half life. I'm taking the Art at bed and on waking and Malarone following lunch. Can I take my few supplements at dinner? What happens next week when I add an ABX for supper?

I need more hours in the day if I'm gonna take more stuff (and to hire someone to do my sheduling). [Wink]

Am I wrong in the impression that coQ10 is a no-no for some reason?

Thanks,
trueblue (wanting to say more confused than usual but who's gonna believe that?) [lol]

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5dana8
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Just my 2 cents but you have to have a very strong stomach to take the art without food.

Be careful.

I trashed my stomach durning my babs treatment and its been almost 5 months now without being able to take any orals and my stomach is still not good.

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stella marie
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trueblue,

I do know that CO Q10 is a NO when taking Mepron.

Don't know why...maybe someone will come along and enlighten us. [confused]

I just like to why and how things interact.

I was trying to figure out which of my many vitamins / supplements were antioxidants, don't forget that would include your multi if you take one.

Yeah, I'm w/ you about timing of the babs meds, abx, supplements, then cripes [dizzy]

the probiotics and diflucan. Then w/ food or not???

I think it was robi who once said when in doubt he/she just takes and handful of pills followed by a cheeseburger...LOL

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micul
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I've never had any trouble with Art on an empty stomach. Not even a twinge. I also pulse it - 4 days on/3 off. That keeps it working much better. There can be as much as a 70% reduction in it after a few days.

Yes Q 10 is a no no. Dr B even advises against it while using Mepron. Sorry I can't tell you exactly how to work out the scheduling. But it should work better for you the closer you follow the guidelines. You can always take your supps with a small snack at the appropiate time away from Art and Mep/Malarone. You can only do what you can do. If 2 hrs is the most that you can work out, so be it. At least you won't be like a lot of other people that are wasting their time taking it with food and supps at the same time.

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trueblue
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stella marie,
For sure, Vits C and E. So that would mean the Multi and the Stress tab.

I think the Alpha Lipoc Acid is too. (I'd rather keep that one than the CoQ10, cause I like it.) I'm not really taking much else but Probiotics.
Which reminds me...

ok, back

Dana, I seem to be doing alright with the Artemisinin on an empty stomach. I makes me nauseous either way and eating relieves it some. I'm more concerned with my stomach once I add the macrolide. [Eek!]

Thanks for being voice of reason, micul. [Smile]

I wonder what me pulsing it would be like. I'm getting hit on a 2/day dose for a month. It cycles every 12 days or so.

Ok, off to get out the posterboard and make me a chart. [Big Grin]

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stella marie
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micul....thanks for the intel...I'm afraid I was one of the people wasting the med. I didn't know not to take it w/ food, but ok to take w/ fish oil.

trueblue....I think I need to make a chart, then a post-it to remind me, then a string tied around my finger, then a plane skywriting in front of the house to keep it all straight! [dizzy]

Stella Marie

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