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shawncvt
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Hi, I'm a vet tech in the Wisconsin area. Two weeks ago I was working closely with a stray dog. The dog tested positive for Lyme disease and was COVERED with ticks. About 2 hours later I pulled a tick off my back and I believe it had bitten me. How likely is it that I could contract Lyme disease?
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sarahinnewyork
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Hi Shawn,


A tick doesn't have to be on you for very long to contract lyme. In my case, I didn't have to remove it, it was knocked off me- so most likely only on for seconds or less! I have been on antibiotics for 2 years now-

In my opinion, don't give it the chance-
find a lyme literate dr in your area and start on some antibiotics asap!(I'm not a dr)

Best health- Sarah

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welcome Shawn!
I will send you by PM, private message my newbie's links of 13 pages/advise.

Look for any posts by NP40, a fellow Wisc. leader! He'll steer you to LLMD's in your area.

Print off Dr. B's 2005 lyme treatment guidelines from the links I'm sending you separately ok.

FYI, my classmate was a vet also, and got lyme from the animal she was treated. She got antibiotics promtply and she was CURED by acting promptly and taking abx for 4-8 weeks. I can't remember exact time frame she took.

I'm NOT an MD; just 36 yr. chronic lyme sufferer!

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Shawn

Dont take a chance--
start taking Doxicycline 400mg a day-
Take for 2 months --to be safe--

Lyme can be stopped if treated Very Quickly-

Dont be scaired of ABX-no reason-
be scaired of getting Lyme --Jay--

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First:
Did you save the tick? You can have it analyzed to see what pathogens it carries as well as what tyoe it was.
There is some controversy as to the attachement time needed for infection. I don;t know the bite chronology, but at some point the tick cements its self into place, but I don't know if it is before or after it takes its bite.
Also, if it was a dog tick, then the risk of lyme is rather low (I think. see below), still there may be some other things that it carried.

Did you also check your scalp? If you did not, you better do that. Also the clothes you had on (scrubs maybe?) Put them in the dryer running at full heat. Or if you are really adventerous, run them through your autoclave.


Second:
IGNORE the medical advice you get on lymenet, no one here is in a position to provide treatment direction.

Three:
In addition, have the vet (presumably your boss) read the ILADS guidelines that are available here online or at www.canlyme.com or www.ilads.org. There is a section dealing with early infection/tick bite. Also once you figure out the type of tick, check to see what pathogens it is known to be able to pass from one generation to the next, (I beleive that lyme is not one of them but I am not sure.)

If the laws are the same as they are here (as I understad them), a veterinarian can supervise the treatment of diseases that are transmitted to him and his staff by the animals that he treats. The prophilactic treatment for likely lyme exposire is rather simple and he may elect to do it for you before even wating for the tick test results.

Failing that find a Dr that will provide the script for the treatment that the vet thinks is in order given the risk factors measured from the dog. Perhaps a note from the vet outlining the situation, the dogs known illnesses and the treatment as outlined in ILADS.

In general, the ILADs guideline recomend a higher dose and longer duration of treatment than the IDSA guidelines that some Dr's may follow, but given that the risk from antibiotic treatment is low, why not go with the more agressive treatment if it is tolerated.(thus the use of ILADs). ILADs is also more applicable to tick bites in general, the IDSA downplays the risk of co-transmitted infection.

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ALSO CHECK THE DOG FOR NEOSPORA CANINUM AND CANINE BABESIA and any other parasitic or viral disease that it may have had for which you can do a simple test. If in doubt, try to give www.healthgene.com a call, they have various test panels that they can do at a very reasonable cost. They also have a summary of what can and cannot be aquired by humans. These other not so common (for human) things can make for real bad day and they do not respond to antibiotics, you would need another drug for these.

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Good luck I hope this general information helps.

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quote:
Originally posted by david1097:
First:
Did you save the tick? You can have it analyzed to see what pathogens it carries as well as what tyoe it was.
There is some controversy as to the attachement time needed for infection. I don;t know the bite chronology, but at some point the tick cements its self into place, but I don't know if it is before or after it takes its bite.
Also, if it was a dog tick, then the risk of lyme is rather low (I think. see below), still there may be some other things that it carried.

Did you also check your scalp? If you did not, you better do that. Also the clothes you had on (scrubs maybe?) Put them in the dryer running at full heat. Or if you are really adventerous, run them through your autoclave.


Second:
IGNORE the medical advice you get on lymenet, no one here is in a position to provide treatment direction.

Three:
In addition, have the vet (presumably your boss) read the ILADS guidelines that are available here online or at www.canlyme.com or www.ilads.org. There is a section dealing with early infection/tick bite. Also once you figure out the type of tick, check to see what pathogens it is known to be able to pass from one generation to the next, (I beleive that lyme is not one of them but I am not sure.)

If the laws are the same as they are here (as I understad them), a veterinarian can supervise the treatment of diseases that are transmitted to him and his staff by the animals that he treats. The prophilactic treatment for likely lyme exposire is rather simple and he may elect to do it for you before even wating for the tick test results.

Failing that find a Dr that will provide the script for the treatment that the vet thinks is in order given the risk factors measured from the dog. Perhaps a note from the vet outlining the situation, the dogs known illnesses and the treatment as outlined in ILADS.

In general, the ILADs guideline recomend a higher dose and longer duration of treatment than the IDSA guidelines that some Dr's may follow, but given that the risk from antibiotic treatment is low, why not go with the more agressive treatment if it is tolerated.(thus the use of ILADs). ILADs is also more applicable to tick bites in general, the IDSA downplays the risk of co-transmitted infection.

Four:
ALSO CHECK THE DOG FOR NEOSPORA CANINUM AND CANINE BABESIA and any other parasitic or viral disease that it may have had for which you can do a simple test. If in doubt, try to give www.healthgene.com a call, they have various test panels that they can do at a very reasonable cost. They also have a summary of what can and cannot be aquired by humans. These other not so common (for human) things can make for real bad day and they do not respond to antibiotics, you would need another drug for these.

Five:
Good luck I hope this general information helps.

What the h*ll you said

Second:
IGNORE the medical advice you get on lymenet, no one here is in a position to provide treatment direction.

I wouldnt ignore medical advise I would use it with caution and get to a LLMD there tons of gret advise here medical and advise from others who have gone through this I just dont get your responce david1097

Its advise not written in stone geeez man.
He needs a LLMD and get the tick tested and to start educating himself and theres plenty to learn here lymenet.

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This is not entorely aimed at you tree, your comments where very mild compared to some of the PM's I got from some clearly abnormal people.

So here goes with the reasons why I said What I said. Read it fully, particulalry the last paragraph.


Dog ticks are a proven vector for RMSF they are not a proven trans generational vector for lyme. It is possible that all ticks may carry the lyme from generation to generation but it has not been proven as far as I know. Similalry only some mosquitoes are able to transgenerationally transfer malaria. Not all insects are viable for all infections.
If someone has something that shows this is not the case, I will be glad to change my opinion and remove my annotation that I don't know for sure and replace it with the publication link. For now, anyone that asks, I will answer the same way as I try to base my opions on fact as much as posible but still leave the door open for the unexpected.


On medical advice... There is a big difference between treatment direction/advice and suggestion. Things like take 500 mg of doxycycline per day for x weeks is treatment direction. No one here is in a position to provide this direction yet it happens a lot. Treatment suggestion is "I think that xx mg of YYY for ZZZ days is typical, ask your Dr." Big difference, and the disclaimer of "i am not a medical Dr. n the bottom of the post does not hold much wieght for a desperate person. Desperate people will even see a witch doctor and do what he says if i they think it will help. So my comment stands.... no one here is in a position to provide treatment direction.

And No I am not a "troll". I have been on lymenet

longer than most others here (including you). "troll" was not even the vocabulary on lymenetwhen I first came here.

The original poster works in vets office... a vet is a doctor... if the information provided here is not accurate or too extreme i am pretty sure he /she will just say, these guys are a bunch of nuts, I will just go with what the CDC says, it must be accurate. If thats what everybody wants I will gladly edit my post to a null text.

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On medical advice... There is a big difference between treatment direction/advice and suggestion. Things like take 500 mg of doxycycline per day for x weeks is treatment direction. No one here is in a position to provide this direction yet it happens a lot. Treatment suggestion is "I think that xx mg of YYY for ZZZ days is typical, ask your Dr." Big difference, and the disclaimer of "i am not a medical Dr. n the bottom of the post does not hold much wieght for a desperate person. Desperate people will even see a witch doctor and do what he says if i they think it will help. So my comment stands.... no one here is in a position to provide treatment direction.

And No I am not a "troll". I have been on lymenet

longer than most others here (including you).{{{You mean me right}}} "troll" {{{I never mentioned the word Troll}}}was not even the vocabulary on lymenet when I first came here.

{{{{{{See how misunderstandings happen}}}}}}

The original poster works in vets office... a vet is a doctor... if the information provided here is not accurate or too extreme i am pretty sure he /she will just say, these guys are a bunch of nuts, I will just go with what the CDC says, it must be accurate. If thats what everybody wants I will gladly edit my post to a null text.

{{{{ I follow you but your explanation in the first post wasnt very good}}}}

{{{{I understand that weight dose effect how many mg's of said abx is set at. And there is some bad advise here to but all in all its the best place to get Medical Advise on Lyme other than a DR LLMD or Vet. Advise like people who have lyme are generaly on high doses of abx's for long extended periods because of the spirochetes ability to morph ie cyst form L form, coccoid forms blebs, etc
Spirochetes abilities ,and the way it cycles not like a general bacteria that usually explode on the seen like strep,salmanella etc lyme cycles at slower rate 12 to 14 days and with me herx cycle is 28 to 34 days read about herx's Herxing in newbie links.

Read Dr B's treatment protocols Dr B

I just think your half right.}}}}}}}

{{{{{{{{{{{{What ever I said is in between these}}}}}}}}}}}}}

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Don't bother Tree...

did I read his statement about going with the CDC as being his source of info?

If that's the case....again...don't bother Tree..........I for one NEVER tell people what or how much of anything to take...I merely relate to them what I have or have'nt taken...

Then they can go from there...

I put the disclaimer there in case I ever forget that I'm not a doctor and do something foolish like think I'm ALWAYS right and have the latest on anything...

You may want to do some checking...if you've been here longer than any of us...your info may have been updated and you're just not aware of the facts....

There IS info on ticks transmitting disease to their offspring...there IS info on some of the stuff you requested....I just mislaid it somewhere...look for it before you go calling folks "abnormal" or suffering from neuroboreliosis which the CDC says does'nt exist.........zman

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