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i am either fighting a nasty case of flu or the yeast is killing me. symptoms are very sore throat, sweating, chest pain, coughing up either yellow mucous or white foamy stringy stuff. ears are really bad.
i know there is flu going around.
am thinking my yeast may have gone into lungs. am really sick.
on nizoral 100 mg once a day. will this help?
anything else i should be taking or doing? doc has not tested for yeast and appt. is on the 30th so will ask for it then?
has anyone ever been hospitalized for yeast? what did they do? how do you recover from systemic?
i think i'd just rather die..........
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I've never been to the hospital for yeast!
I get mine at the supermarket! LOL
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Dear geniveve,
Call your LLMD today or consider going to an emergency room if your symptoms continue or get worse!
Chest pains also sounds like a serious symptom to me, worth the trouble to see the doctor.
I do not know if yeast can cause these problems; maybe you need to be tested for strep?
I hope you feel better, and see a doctor before the 30th!
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Yes Yeast can cause chest pain or any of the symptoms you are mentioning.
Systemic yeast is very hard to fight (I know I have it and it took a very long time and much aggression).
Some people are put in the hospital for yeast and put on Iv diflucian (I have never been, but know others that have).
It makes you very very sick and yes you can feel like the flu.
Are you running fever? Are you taking any probotics?
Many Dr's in the ER do not treat yeast, I know I've been there.
But a trip to the ER might due good to check on the chest pains and mybe they can run bloodwork to see if it's infection.
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It is when it's in the blood stream and much much harder to rid of.
I myself tested positive for it in the blood and in the stool.
My systemic yeast came into play after 9 yrs straight on orals and Iv's sometimes both together and also bicillian shots.
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sounds like fall allergies to me....it's the height of ragweed season here. I'm coughing up stuff, sore throat,stuffy ears too...and practically everybody around is suffering from in it in one way or another.
Hope that's all it is...if so it'll be gone in another month...
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Move over Cave,
I too have been tested and diagnosed with *systemic yeast*. I am currently undergoing treatment and improving well. Treatment has to go real slow for me or it puts me flat in the bed.
I was not hospitalized with my yeast, but after looking at the bloodwork, the doctor looked at me and in a very serious tone said "You are very sick". I snorted and said, "Hey Doc, I didn't need a bloodtest to tell me that".
In my past, whenever I was given Diflucan for vaginal yeast, my allergies would clear up as well. But whenever I mentioned this to a doctor, it was shrugged off as coincidence.
I believe if someone would have taken notice at that time and treated me for fungal infections, I might not be where I am today.
Instead of too much talk about *systemic yeast*, I believe there is too little talk or action taken on the part of the medical world.
A Mayo clinic study showed that 95% of sinus infections were caused by fungus.
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i have been on antis almost constantly since last november.
think i'll stop the cipro and concentrate on the nizoral and yeast diet.
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IMO, this is not something you can self diagnose.
Get yourself to a doctor, girl. Could be flu, cold, etc. You didn't list fever as a symptom, or describe the typre of chest ain you're experiencing. If it progresses, don't wait till the 30th!
There is something known as aspiration pneumonia caused by inhaling droplets of what you cough up, also common in people with an incompetent swallowing mechanism.
I'm not saying this is what is going on, but FYI: Here is a list of symptoms of pneumonia:
People with infectious pneumonia often have a cough that produces greenish or yellow sputum and a high fever that may be accompanied by shaking chills.
Shortness of breath is also common, as is pleuriticchest pain , a sharp or stabbing pain, either felt or worse during deep breaths or coughs.
People with pneumonia may cough up blood, experience headaches, or develop sweaty and clammy skin.
Other symptoms may include loss of appetite, fatigue, blueness of the skin, nausea, vomiting, and joint pains or muscle aches.
I hope you feel better soon!!!
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thanks, all. here is a more complete listing and more precise symptoms:
ears just hurt and itch like crazy. feels like i'm hearing things from inside a barrel
my entire head feels "pressurized" like on an airplane--i keep trying to clear my ears, but they won't
no fever
chest is sore to touch and just achey. sometimes breathing just hurts
constant nose and sinus drainage -- sometimes clear, sometimes yellow
i cough constantly but once in a while i will cough up something that is thick, mucousy, often white, or sometimes yellow
just feel exhausted and tired all over...
my throat is sore
oh yes, lost my voice -- just a croak comes out.... (husband is thrilled about this!)
oh yes, he has this too, but his is worse -- he kept me up all night last night coughing.
it's worse when i lay down, can't breathe...
not real hungry...
i'm allergic to everything -- mold, trees, grass, pollen, oak, you name it....
it's been raining here in fort worth too.
i'm just throwing out everything i can think of to help ya.
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Considering you are allergic to everything are you talking a every allergy pill?
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no i hadn't really thought of that. i've taken nyquil (which is the only thing that helps me get some sleep), benedryl (which didn't do squat really), and last night i took a sudefed.
i hate to take all of this over the counter stuff, but can allergies be this bad? mike and i got it at exactly the same time......
that should mean something shouldn't it?
while on vacation they put us in a "supposedly" non smoking room. i noticed the smoke odor right away but they were bookedup and we needed a room, so we took it. i should have flatly refused cause all night i was miserable.
do you think that smoking room could have caused a problem?
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I was treated for Lyme all those yrs but not once was I treated for yeast other then acidophlis (sp) no prescription meds were even mentioned to me for yeast back in those yrs.
I too wonder were I would be now if the treatment for Lyme went along with treatment for yeast (at the same time) to this day I would highly recommend it to any new to lyme.
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Hi Genevive
Well, I seem to be in the same boat as you. I do have the flu and I am treating for yeast. I was treating for yeast first, and then on Mon. got a sore throat and it has verrrrry slowly moved from one nose hole to the other and now into one lung then I am sure the other. Very green, like pea soup. Developing a cough today.
I have been very tired and on Tues. was quite sick to my stomach. I don't know if I am running a fever, haven't checked. I've kind of gotten out of the habit of checking, because with this DD, I rarely never run fevers, no matter how sick. I think the healthier I get, I actually do run some low fevers now.
I felt like I have run fevers lately. Cold, then hot and sweaty the next.
Flu is going around. I was visiting a friend for 4 days and her husband was sick, so that is likely where I got it. He was in real yucky shape.
Now all that being said, yeast also gave me reflux like symptoms, kind of a sore throat, tennis ball in chest feeling. Chest pain, BIG time, with sensations of fluttering and twitching. I have been on diflucan for several weeks, starting very slow at 50 mgs every other day to now 200 mgs every other day. All of the sore throat, chest pain etc. has seemed to settle down for the most part, except for this flu thing. No twitching or thumping though this time.
Being that your hubby also seems to be sick, I'd put my money on flu. Hope you feel better soon.
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hey, jelly, can i come over to your house and we can be sick together?
hubbie is like, well, a typical marine. nothing stops him, nothing. he's out flying today. makes me want to scream....
yeah, that's exactly what happened to me. i started yeast treatment, 100 mgs of nizoral, then a couple of days later, all heck broke loose.
the rancher's kid was sick tho so i bet we got it from him.
i think we should all plan a conference so we can meet each other and compare notes..........
oh yeah, i tried a claritin a couple of hours ago....big no no, my bp is now 147 over 110 and my heart rate is 103. guess i should scratch that off as another med i can't take. hopefully it will calm down..... rats, there's so much i can't take.....
wonder how long this will last? i've been really sick since last saturday, so this is one week.
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I wonder if you are experiencing a candida healing?
I was put on diflucan 5 years ago at 50mgs once a day for one week, and was to see the MD at the end of the week. I did not know I had lyme back then, and had not been on anitibiotics for years.
I ended up having to STOP the diflucan because I was so ill from the healing crisis of candida I near died. My lungs/breathing and whole system could not keep up with the toxins,
I WOULD HAVE been dead, had I continued with the diflucan, it was too strong, maybe? this is what is happening to you? Never heard of anyone else like myself get like this from diflucan.
Diflucan also was tested on the vega machine for me and it was fine for me, I was not allergic to it.
I never did diflucan again until about 2 years ago, and this time I was able to handle 100mgs once a week. I am seriously ill with candida. I stopped the diflucan it was much too strong.
I am now going to try it again soon. I think the LLMD has me on 150mgs once a week, for sometime, not sure how long. I dont know if this will be too strong, I may break the pill in half and see how I do.
I also have lyme and babesia, and need the antibiotics, so this is tough.
I never tested for candida in the blood.
ONE diflucan pill that is 150mgs stays in your system for one week. So if you are taking it everyday the dieoff of candida for some
can be too much to take, I near died from diflucan healing.
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i wonder if that could be it. i'm supposed to take 200 every day but i've been cutting it in half. so that's only 100 mg every single day.
i think i might stop everything for awhile and see how it goes.
i've got threelac but i developed mouth sores from it.
good point --about the reaction to a herx.
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threelac has yeast in it. I have an allergy to some yeast, and am not sure if it is because of lyme disease or not.
Maybe you have an allergy to the yeast in the three lac, thus the mouth sores?
ODD, I was ok with the yeast in sacromecies boulardi capsules. I think I have allergies to certain strains of yeast.
I also was ok with a certain kefir, but not ok with another kind of kefir. My throat swells from certain yeasts and mold.
Yogurt is ok for me, I make my own, and take regular probiotics and I am fine with these as long as the lyme is under control. I cannot take FOS though, it make me very sick, and bloated. If the lyme is really bad I am sooo sick from the probiotics,
I burn in the stomach and intestines. If the lyme is getting better, probiotics work well for me.
Ranting, and herxing like heck, hope this helps .
NIZORAL is also called Ketoconazole, 1 pill of Nizoral has action in the body for up to 24 hours. Where as 1 Diflucan has action in the body for about 1 week or 5 days.
Why did your Dr choose Nizoral over Diflucan? was it because he did a test and Nizoral showed as most effective for you?
Diflucan did a wonder for me before, vaginal horrendous itch was gone in 2 days about, and fatigue from yeast was sooooo much better in about 3 days or so, then the die-off started to hit me and cause fatigue again.
Trish
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I have always been under the assumption that if you do not feel good on diflucan you need to up the dose.
In other wards I once took 100mg I felt like crap, I then upped it to 200mg a day and the herxing was easier to handle.
I have read that in the yeast connection book as well - some people do ok on lower doses - but if you don't you must find the "even" balance of dose.
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i don'know why he gave me nizoral. he just did. i asked about diflucan and he said, nope, i think you need this stronger stuff so i've been taking 100 mg every single day for aobut 2 weeks and he gave it to me for a month.
oh yeah, he did not test, blood work or anything. just looked at throat which was completely white with a furry tongue and asked about symptoms, and said oh yes, yeast, here take this......
think i'll be dead by then!!!!!!!!
heck, i'm stopping it...i'm just too sick.....
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I forgot to tell you if this is a cold or a flu kind of thing, what helps me is ...
Yarrow - Mullein - Nettle...they are herbs from health food store - at onset I take three each in the morning and then at night (1 Day) it gives it a kick and then I resort to 2 morning 2 night.
I also take gypsy cold care - herbal tea - again health food store (some drug stores carry it).
For chest congestion and or soreness I use the good old vicks rub at night - old shirt HEAVY on top to absorb and sweat kinda along with a hot water bottle or heating pad.
This is sill ok if it is a yeast thing going on - the above things do not interfere with that.
Of course these are only suggestions - but they do work and they are natural.
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to tell ya the truth, my mouth is about the same. still white with white tongue in the morning. brushing gives me this stringy white mucousy stuff that i can pull off with my fingers.
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I brush with tea tree oil and rinse with it sometimes, try this for your thrush. I dont swallow tea tree oil though, I spit it out.
ALSO, My yeast was so much better after switching probiotics. Such a difference.
THE probiotic that works best for myself is...
Udo's Super 8. It is made for candida overgrowth. It has 30 billion per cap, I am in Canada, in the USA I think the caps from Udo's are 20 billion, not sure why.
I also make my homemade yogurt and this is a must for myself. I take it daily and then a few days a week, works for me.
Probiotics and yogurt have made a great difference.
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Hi all--I just wanted to say YES it sounds like you're having a healing crisis from the antifungal and that most of us have higher than normal levels of candida in our bodies from both the way we eat and the amount of abx we've all been taking. And whatever name you want to give it, it can be very debilitating for some of us.
I've had a lot of problems with candida and I agree with Health that alongside a good diet, probiotics are essential. I also have been through enough candida herxes to say that every time I lowered my antifungal I began to feel better.
You may want to consider stopping it altogether for a few days until your body has had time to clear out all the toxins and then begin again. I hope so much that you start to feel better. Why getting well has to be so complicated I'll never know...
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Hi -- it's hard to tell if you're going through allergies, flu, abx die-off, yeast. But a knowledgeable nonyeast doctor could check out the yeast part with you. They can test for it via blood and stool tests.
No hospital doc I saw ever seemed to know about candidiasis.
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