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If you want to research my id you will find that I have posted on these forums for a while, not a lot but I have been here for a long time.
I got lyme in 1992 in Connecticut and had it up until a few months ago, however, before getting rid of Lyme (and I mean suffering with it for a decade) I developed Morgellons, which was a very frightening development.
On one of the boards the makers of NutraSilver made a free offer, I took them up on it. My Morgellons is 95% gone and my lyme, as far as I can tell, it now totally gone, TOTALLY GONE.
I never even thought about Lyme during this, I just wanted to get rid of Morgs, I couldn't believe I felt so good after doing the NutraSilver, it was a month later before it dawned on me that my Lyme was gone (that's how scary Morg's is, you get that Lyme is a minor problem believe me).
There was a post on there the other day, from the makers of NutraSilver, offering it for free. What the heck is wrong with you people? Do you want to get better? This isn't just your everyday silver, this is nano-silver, countries use it to purify water from the dirtiest rivers imaginable, you can take a few drops of it, add it to a 5 gallon bucket of water that is so disgusting it would kill you if you drank it, and 20 minutes later there's no bacteria, fungus or anything else living in it.
This is a true colloidal silver that kills every known bacteria with the studies to prove it. Unlike anti-biotics that kill all kinds of good stuff in your body NutraSilver doesn't even require you take probotics or anything.
Please, Lyme made my life a living !@#$ for a decade, that @#$# is over now, it wasn't even the slightest bit dangerous either.
I urge the moderators of this board to reconsider this, if you are really here to help this community then give this a chance, this is not a scam, this is a real bonified offer. I am the one that suggest the owners post here because of what it did to my Lyme, which is totally eliminate it.
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It got pulled which amazed me. NutraSilver is a far better killer of bacteria, fungus and even viruses than the pharmasuiticals can create, and not harmful, but you're never going to find that out because they cannot patent a mineral and make a ton of money off of it. So you continue to suffer. Believe me, I had given up and just resolved to live in misery, well, no longer.
The founder of NutraSilver had someone close to him come down with Morgs, and I mean worse than anybody I had ever seen, they tried NutraSilver to see if it would work, in hours lesions began to heal (you should see the photos on the site) and now she is in total remission. So, the founder decided to test it out, made the offer on a morgs board, we all did great, so he brought it into the US and made if very affordable, it is sold in 50 gallon barrels to many countries, but they've made a small version for us. A bunch of us did took them (NutraSilver) up on the free offer with a amazing results, a side effect of which my lyme is now gone.
If you search these forums on itching, crawling, biting you'll find lots of hits, my thinking is the anti-biotics we all take promote fungus and candida to such a state that morgs develops, NutraSilver kills both the lyme bacteria and candida as well as other forms of fungus, new studies show that Silver wipes out Malaria in seven days, and Malaria is a parasite.
All I'm saying is that a free trial was offered and then pulled, it is real, there is solid evidence behind it, it has been used to treat water for a decade, it is very safe. Compared to what 3/4 of us have tried on this board and still suffer NutraSilver is a miracle in my opinion.
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NO, there is so much bad info about Silver, the NutraSilver site has the FDA info and World Heath Info for you.
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Okay, the offer was made on this site in a post, not on thier site. Let me know what you find out. NutraSilver basically ended my need for doctors, period.
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Typhoon...the SITE does not offer this for free, Russell Altman does privately. DO NOT BUY this product! Email Russell: [email protected] and include your phone if you want to chat with him.
I did, he called me back, and I am going to try the product. I have nothing to lose.
I am NOT endorsing this...just stating what I am going to do. The site DOES contain good info.
Will it work? Dunno...will Antibiotics work? They have not done so for 12 1/2 years...
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Thank you JRWagner for clearing that up. The post was gone so quickly I only got to read it once. I will be very curious to hear how it does for you JRWagner, let us know.
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I called him. I heard the pitch. I "googled" his area code (Nevada) and THEN I googled his name.
On the phone he told me he was a "humanitarian" and "independently wealthy".
Then WHY does he charge $45 for in home computer repairs?
When he said it treats all anaerobic pathogens, a red flag went up. Bb is not a strict anaerobe. Bb can be perfectly happy in SOME oxygen.
Free? 3-5 minute daily diary i.e., looking for testimonials to promote the product.
A nano (extremely small particle) silver. He said the product is a "nutrient".
Silver is a nutrient? Do you think I am stupid? Arsenic is on the periodic table of elements too.
Free = 1st bottle. 10 day supply. Subsequent bottles are needed at a cost of $34.95 each.
How it works is LIKELY making the cell more alkaline, but I personally would rather see another mineral do this.
Hey...all you "scientific" lurkers...why can't we "nano-size" Mg?
NDF maybe much more beneficial. How much, how often, for how long may be something we really need to explore. Likely need more than we now realize.
NDF (Nanocolloidal Detox Factor) is a newer chelating agent which is said to be a potent chelator. According to Bioray, the manufacturer, NDF is made from certified organic, raw, whole foods. NDF is also used in the treatment of autism.
white oat fiber (NDF)?
� NDF: - NDF is an agressive chelating agent that is not a drug. It is manufactured from chlorella, cilantro and other natural products that have been processed into a tiny particle size for enhanced absorption.
NDF is apperantly safe, simple, and effective method of systemic heavy metal and chemical detoxification that does not require a healing crisis.
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I'll leave you guys to fight it out, it's happened before, the messenger is always hated and mistrusted for some reason. But once the testimonials come in it will change, let those longer timers on this board, who you've come to know and trust do thier free trial and report in. I think I know what the outcome will be. I'm hoping for the best for you guys, being sick sucks, it was a way of life for me.
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LEARN about this and evaluate it for yourself:
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JR and anyone else who tries this -- keep taking your acidophilus and other probiotics with the silver. If it is strong enough to kill anything then it can kill good bacteria as well as bad.
Hubby has had better luck taking colloidal silver IV rather than orally probably for this reason -- it doesn't directly come into contact with the G.I. bacteria when taken IV.
Silver most likely works on viruses more than bacteria. May be of some help, but don't expect miracles.
This is my opinion and not medical advice.
Bea Seibert
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Thanks Bea...
Interesting...my Epstein Barr Virus IgG has been high for a while. IgM..low.
EPV has been implicated as a causitive agent for MS...and my last Spinal Tap showed the presence of Oligoclonal Bodies, which were not in my Taps of 1995, and 2000.
Listen friends, I don't know if this will work, but I talked with Russel again and he said most who benefit do so quickly, so I should know in a few days if it is working.
Russell is not a scientist...
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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quote:Originally posted by lou: I have known people who tried silver and were not cured.
You never give up, do you brent?
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I just talked with the guy and am going for it.
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The last thread about this was removed by the moderators.
It is a token freebie offered to get you to purchase the product.
Solicitation does not belong on this board. And I think it is the height of callousness to make a pitch to sick and desperate patients.
IsThereHope, the messenger is not "always hated and mistrusted" as you said. We just don't agree with you, and researching who this guy is turned up some information that is contradictory to how he would like to portray himself. (Read Marnie's post.)
-- Shaz
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Well, all I know is it helped me, I am not trying to scam anybody and make no money whatsoever off of the product. At least two people on this thread stated it is being sent to them, why not let them report thier results, I know what it is like to be sick as hell man, that's why I came here and told you guys. My wife and kids have their dad back, to me, that's worth telling folks about.
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On the other hand, the product is free to try. If you don't experience improvement in a resonable time you never buy it.
Seems like a fair deal to me.
I understand that there are some differences between coloidal silver depending on how it was made and some product may be more effective than others.
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Ok girls and guys, This past week has been brain fog from he**. So bear with me on this one.....
I went on the Bioray site, and one of the products they sell is Silver and Copper for Parasites. The silver is colloidal (?) silver. Help, the site that sells NDF also sells coll silv?
Isn't that what we are talking about here, the Nutrasilver, is it not colloidal silver also?
I am not as science savvy as the rest of you but what is the difference? Oh lordy, I'm almost afraid to ask. (almost).
I do see and understand where we reach out to try something new. Antibiotics may work for some and not for others, and yes they are toxic also.
I've tried 8 different antibiotics and antifungals, hope they blast the lyme but they are taking a toll on my stomach, liver and life.
Taking 10 days of this would seem like a vacation to us on 8 straight months of antibiotics. What's 10 days on something new as opposed to months of meds.
I'm not opposed to antibiotics or supplements so I'll give it the free try and let you know. Good or bad.
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Everyone must do whatever they feel is best for their return to health.
One thing that is important to remember is that pharmacuticals can be harmful even if approved by the FDA. Vioxx? Where was the scientific research?
I am suppose to start IV Roceph in a few weeks and I am scared to death. Not so scared to take 10 days of collodial silver.
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... but at this time we also have IsThereHope's testimony. And this guy have been on this board for several months, posted his lyme story and his long struggle.
I don't know...
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Good grief...again. All ABX are not the same. All Colloidal Silver products are not the same as well. This product HAS been researched. Have any of you checked the website before posting?
Did you see the research on SYLVERDYN...the international name for this product? Not all SILVER PRODUCTS ARE THE SAME! GEESH!
I AM NOT SELLING SQUAT! Big freakin' deal if I get put on a mailing list...and that will not happen, according to Russell...he is sending the product directly to me, it is not coming from the website.
I will try this for two weeks...if it works, great, if it does not, no loss.
This product does not produce Argyria (no Silver salts present in this product: (contains no silver salts, silver nitrate, silver arsphenamine or silver chloride ). Is There Hope has used it...this person has NOTHING to with the marketing of this product. Does anyone know more than someone with first hand experience?
I, and anyone that is willing to try this, will report to everyone TRUTHFULLY, our results.
Beats the hell out of these damned ABX, which have not helped me for 12 1/2 years. If I can be a guinea pig and try something that is not dangerous (Silver has been given IV with no harm) that so be it. My hope is that it does work and you try it after I do.
If you don't want to use it, fine. It is free for the trial period, and I have been told that I should see some results fairly quickly. ok...with that in mind, my product should arrive in the mail in 1-2 days from today.
I WILL keep you posted.
Stop bickering and slamming this guy...let us give it a chance first...THEN, IF it works...you can try it too, or not...
No big deal, right?
Have some Dark Chocolate and chill out.
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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IsThereHope, help me out here......
Do you think 1 bottle will make someone with Lyme feel any different?
How many bottles did it take you to get to the end of that first month when you felt a difference in your Lyme symptoms?
Are you still on it?
Isn't there a limit as to how much of this stuff should be consumed continuously?
Weren't you already slowly getting better regarding your Lyme symptoms (I looked at some of your earlier posts this year)?
Sorry, I hope I don't sound like I'm picking on you, but you're the only person on this topic who has and experience with this product.
Incidentally, I'm getting REAL SICK AND TIRED of posts disappearing off this board without true justification. If a major drug company posted a free offer for a trial of some new abx on this board, I have a feeling THAT post would stay up.
Tracy
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This is from Russell:
I do computer repair, I also run a Boy Scout troop with 50 severely handicapped children, I also am the founder of a 501 c3 non-profit that gives computer labs to children who can't afford them, and I play tennis. What do these issues have to do with this product, and my intent to help? I do not have a scientific background, and I am NOT saying that my offer is valid research. I do NOT know a lot about Lyme Disease but this does not mean that I can't try to help you.
At best, many of the ideas other Lymenet people give here are of the same quality...not scientific research at all. Does this make this little trial worthless? Is all anecdotal evidence worthless as well?
I have a product I wish to give away free, if anyone does not want it, just say ``no thanks'' and move on. As far as a testimonial: If someone took the product and it did not work, would they write a favorable response? No, they would not. I am taking the risk that the product will not work, and that people will post as such on Lymenet. I am not hiding anything, or trying to take anyone's money for something that does nothing. No one is going to be put on a mailing list. PLEASE, stop making false accusations about my intent.
What is wrong with asking someone their results after they have tried the product? Nothing. The FDA classifies this NutraSilver(a mineral) as a nutritional supplement...not a drug...I did not mean to imply that it was a nutrient...misunderstanding. As for Bb...let us see what happens.
Kindly,
Russell B. Altman
OK...Let's end this post now. There are several people going to try this, myself included, and we will report our findings as stated.
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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TruthFinder, I am still on it, but I think I'm going to make today my last day, I feel great, however, I still have biting and crawling left over from morgs, I do believe that morgellons is fungal at it's core and NutraSilver knocked it out, however, I don't know for sure what the cause of Morgellons is. I do believe what is in my skin is a tiny insect in nature, collembola or a mite, NutraSilver Morgellon folks have seem them actually forced out of thier skin, eyes, mouth when taking NutraSilver.
I had just terrible fatigue from Morgellons, made my Lyme fatigue seem mild, I had a pretty good herx in that I was so weak I felt I couldn't walk, but I kept on keeping on. My eyes were all screwed up and they're normal.
There is a soap out now that claims to force these mites/collembola out of your skin, I'm going to try that now. There are some amazing testimonials up there mdcrafters.
Before Morgellons, my lyme had gotten pretty bad, fatigue, brain fog to the max, constant sore throats, sinus infections, headaches, stabbing sensations, and just overall feeling of sickness, then Morgellons came after we took a family vacation to Florida. I can tell you, the sense of fear that came over me was more than I ever want anyone to know, I had fibers coming out of my skin, black specs, wierd areas of skin, was losing my hair, all kinds of things that I really dare not even mention.
I found out about Morgellons from this board, when over to LymeBusters, and they said you can buy a pocket scope at radio shack and look at your skin, well, I finally did. I put the batteries in it, sat in the parking lot in my car, prayed, and looked at my skin, there is was long fibers, looked metallic, blue and red, long, under my skin, running every which direction. Other things too, frankly, I want to forget about it. I moved to a leather couch, still sleep there to protect my wife. You don't know the half of it, I just don't have time to write about it.
Well, Russell made the offer on LymeBusters, he got shredded up there, but I was at my wits end and called him, he sent it to me, free. I have also been doing massive immune system building, Raintree Cat's Claw, Graviola, and all kinds of anti-fungals, natural mostly. I also did a 20 day colon cleans, I recommend everybody do one, it was capsule based, I was on a crash diet too, because it helps morgs patients, I was passing in my bowel movements at least twice what I ate everyday, I'm not heavy either, the American colon is clogged with crap - literally, you're probably absorbing one tenth of the medicine you take and even less of the vitamins and minerals.
So, I started NutraSilver, was still doing my immune building program too, honestly, I was preparing to be dead within a year, I just didn't see how I could continue, I was barely able to mow the yard, thin as rail, and under a psychological strain you cannot imagine. I had big herx, massive fatigue, felt like it wasn't working and I was just getting worse and on my way to cashing in my chips, frankly, I cried alot, why couldn't it just be cancer instead of something so freaky, I can't even talk about it, at least with lyme I could.
So, about 2 months later, I feel great, it's amazing, will it last? I hope so, I'm going to stop the NutraSilver I think now as I feel terrific, except for the crawling, but there is nothing visible on my skin anymore, I know it's a tiny insect, and that doesn't really scare me, I'm tough as hell, and these guys crawled into the wrong dude.
I beleive we are making great progress with Morgellons, if you come down with it don't freak, and that ain't easy, many on the forums are way gone, and who would blame them. However, what we are doing might end up being the cure for Morgs and lets hope for many with Lyme.
Someone said I had been here for months, more like sense 2004, I hope that helps give some idea of where I've been and where I'm at.
I am grateful for this board, it pointed me towards Morgellons right away which no doubt really helped me. If you have lyme becareful, I believe the antibiotics we do sets us up perfectly for Morgellons, I did alot of antibiotics, 18 months straight, and then 3 or 4 times every winter for sinus infections, and so on, well, it's November and I haven't had a cold yet let alone a sinus infection. I have 3 kids to, one in pre-k even, you know what germ factories they are (God love them).
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quote:Originally posted by IsThereHope: TruthFinder, I am still on it, but I think I'm going to make today my last day, I feel great, however, I still have biting and crawling left over from morgs, I do believe that morgellons is fungal at it's core and NutraSilver knocked it out, however, I don't know for sure what the cause of Morgellons is. I do believe what is in my skin is a tiny insect in nature, collembola or a mite, NutraSilver Morgellon folks have seem them actually forced out of thier skin, eyes, mouth when taking NutraSilver.
I had just terrible fatigue from Morgellons, made my Lyme fatigue seem mild, I had a pretty good herx in that I was so weak I felt I couldn't walk, but I kept on keeping on. My eyes were all screwed up and they're normal.
There is a soap out now that claims to force these mites/collembola out of your skin, I'm going to try that now. There are some amazing testimonials up there mdcrafters.
Before Morgellons, my lyme had gotten pretty bad, fatigue, brain fog to the max, constant sore throats, sinus infections, headaches, stabbing sensations, and just overall feeling of sickness, then Morgellons came after we took a family vacation to Florida. I can tell you, the sense of fear that came over me was more than I ever want anyone to know, I had fibers coming out of my skin, black specs, wierd areas of skin, was losing my hair, all kinds of things that I really dare not even mention.
I found out about Morgellons from this board, when over to LymeBusters, and they said you can buy a pocket scope at radio shack and look at your skin, well, I finally did. I put the batteries in it, sat in the parking lot in my car, prayed, and looked at my skin, there is was long fibers, looked metallic, blue and red, long, under my skin, running every which direction. Other things too, frankly, I want to forget about it. I moved to a leather couch, still sleep there to protect my wife. You don't know the half of it, I just don't have time to write about it.
Well, Russell made the offer on LymeBusters, he got shredded up there, but I was at my wits end and called him, he sent it to me, free. I have also been doing massive immune system building, Raintree Cat's Claw, Graviola, and all kinds of anti-fungals, natural mostly. I also did a 20 day colon cleans, I recommend everybody do one, it was capsule based, I was on a crash diet too, because it helps morgs patients, I was passing in my bowel movements at least twice what I ate everyday, I'm not heavy either, the American colon is clogged with crap - literally, you're probably absorbing one tenth of the medicine you take and even less of the vitamins and minerals.
So, I started NutraSilver, was still doing my immune building program too, honestly, I was preparing to be dead within a year, I just didn't see how I could continue, I was barely able to mow the yard, thin as rail, and under a psychological strain you cannot imagine. I had big herx, massive fatigue, felt like it wasn't working and I was just getting worse and on my way to cashing in my chips, frankly, I cried alot, why couldn't it just be cancer instead of something so freaky, I can't even talk about it, at least with lyme I could.
So, about 2 months later, I feel great, it's amazing, will it last? I hope so, I'm going to stop the NutraSilver I think now as I feel terrific, except for the crawling, but there is nothing visible on my skin anymore, I know it's a tiny insect, and that doesn't really scare me, I'm tough as hell, and these guys crawled into the wrong dude.
I beleive we are making great progress with Morgellons, if you come down with it don't freak, and that ain't easy, many on the forums are way gone, and who would blame them. However, what we are doing might end up being the cure for Morgs and lets hope for many with Lyme.
Someone said I had been here for months, more like sense 2004, I hope that helps give some idea of where I've been and where I'm at.
I am grateful for this board, it pointed me towards Morgellons right away which no doubt really helped me. If you have lyme becareful, I believe the antibiotics we do sets us up perfectly for Morgellons, I did alot of antibiotics, 18 months straight, and then 3 or 4 times every winter for sinus infections, and so on, well, it's November and I haven't had a cold yet let alone a sinus infection. I have 3 kids to, one in pre-k even, you know what germ factories they are (God love them).
Thanks for your heartfelt testimonial. I will also provide the group with some feedback as I will start it as soon as I receive it. Good thing is that I am just aout to take a break from antibiotics. So this is timed perfectly.
Will post a long on here for all to know if this helps me.
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Oh, one more thing, I'm pretty sure I had babs, I was in the ER twice with what I was sure was a heart attack, my pulse sometimes would go nuts, I would get hot and then cold sometimes, extreme chest pain that lasted weeks and weeks, I did the treadmill test, anyway talk to you guys later ...
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In biology class, we had to dissect frogs.
They were "preserved" in formaldehyde!!! This is very, very toxic and a one-way street.
IF this guy, who SAID to me he was "independently wealthy"...
had been HONEST with me on the phone, I MIGHT have believed him. He's out for a buck. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
I might have listened and researched further had he been totally "upfront" and TRUTHFUL with me.
I smelled a rat. Someone who is out to make money; someone who does NOT have a friggin clue about the complexity of lyme nor does he have a medical background.
"This product destroys all anaerobic pathogens, but does not destroy the beneficial bacteria." is what he told me on the phone. God's truth! I swear.
Problem is: Bb is NOT a STRICT anaerobe.
Think. PLEASE THINK.
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I did Collodial Silver while OFF antibiotics
and I still relapsed. Deathly ill.
I became allergic to ALL foods, even became allergic/reactive highly to Collodial Silver while I was doing it. I was up at Emergency because I thought I or they thought i was having a stroke. My throat even went into spasms when I drank water.
I had been off antbiotics about 6-7 months. Each month got worse, but I insisited to myself that I would get well without antbiotics. did not happen! had not idea, HOW sick I was, I really had not idea how deadly this disease was for some, and the must for antibiotics.
I am still in SHOCK at how bloody tough it is to get well, I will speak up LOUD and CLEAR if I ever get well, this should and WILL not be kept silent by myself,
I then was put on Mincycline, 50mgs a day, and within one week I could eat a bit better.
Collodial Silver did not do it for me, but it may do it for others, not sure. I herxed on it, but I still got DEATHLY ill from lyme.
I had one homemade kind, and one I bought in the store. I WANTED to get better without antibiotics, but it did not happen.
I am being treated for Babesia, but not sure if this is why collodial Silver did not work for me because I had babesia, not sure. I may still need
IV treatment for lyme, not sure yet.
Worth a try though, we are all different, it may help you, even though it did not help me.
Trish
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Look if you want the post to end...
the originator has to delete it!
You did mention in this last post that morrgellons folks saw these fibers or whatever comming out of their skin while taking this stuff!
Are we sure the silver did'nt cause these fibers?
Yeah, I saw "mystery diagnosis" last summer too when they had morgellons patients and saw the red and blue fiberous villans....
I've also been here long enough to remember other treatments like taking peroxide baths that will scare the little critters out of our skins...
You have to understand the skepticism around here and not to take it too personal.
We're sick and some folks think we're stupid too...like a lot of the ducks we've been to who write in there(our)medical files that we're nuts,hypochondriacal,drug seekers...among other things.
Then they rely on our illness to prevent us from taking action against them for being criminally liable by reason of neglect by a physician.
When all he had to do was treat us for a persistant resistant infection...
Something he/she swore to do when they took the Hypocratic Oath... Cuz by doing NOTHING IS CAUSEING MORE HARM!
Then we get a guy from cyberspace saying HEY!
I've got the cure for ya... And one of his testimonial guys says....
Well I took the stuff for two months and I still have the creepy crawlies.... Well geesh......what are we SUPPOSED to think!???
huh??? zman
I'm just curious......zman
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We can't SEE micro-organisms...bacteria, viruses, fungi, with our naked eyes.
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I see them all the time Marnie...!!!
They're floaters...
Round ones N Long ones n squiggly ones...some even see Black ones...Mine are mostly translucent...
get a blue streak now and then though(shoot that's just diabetes2).
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Ya, that an most stuff you buy at the store is ionic which is garbage really, has little real silver in it, and is just worthless overall. If you really want to understand silver read this, NutraSilver is one of the very few colloidal's and is nano in size.
I really educated myself about this before taking it, I sat on the silver for a month doing research before I took it. To be honest, I know alot about it now, most of what is said is just plain wrong, I let most of it pass, it doesn't matter, we'll know in about 10 days or so if folks are seeing improvement, nobody in our group had negative effects, and we did way more silver than you did, I'm sure of that.
The vast majority of products labeled and sold as colloidal silver fall into this category due to the low degree of manufacturing complexity and resulting low cost of production. The silver content in these products consists of both silver ions and silver particles. Typically, 90% of the silver content is in the form of ionic silver and the remaining 10% of the silver content is in the form of silver particles. The silver ions are produced by electrolysis and may be described as ``dissolved silver''. Products produced by electrolysis are frequently described as "electro colloids". Because the majority of the silver content in these products is dissolved silver rather than metallic silver particles, it would be more technically accurate to describe these products as silver solutions. Scientific Information on Colloidal Silver
The Difference Between Colloidal Silver And Ionic Silver
Colloidal silver is made up of tiny nanoparticles of metallic silver. The particles are complete and do not combine with other elements. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements, and will readily combine to form compounds. Inside the human body chloride is the most prevalent anion. Silver ions will immediately combine with chloride to form an insoluble compound of silver chloride.
The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not.
This simple fact should be kept in mind when reading claims that silver ions are particles. If a silver ion were a particle, it would not combine with chloride. For a more technical discussion about the differences between ions and particles, see Ions, Atoms and Charged Particles.
See The Truth About Ionic Silver ================================== There are hardly any real colloidals, 99.9 percent of leaves the body, it doesn't combine and form ANYTHING. Most folks to a measly 20 ppm iconic (with only 10% of that being real silver) and expect it to do something? sheeze.
I'm doing 15 drops of 3300 ppm with no ill effects at all, no "bad stuff" is in this silver, it doesn't combine with anything. I did my home work, I know what I'm talking about on this subject.
I've got the cure for ya... And one of his testimonial guys says....
Well I took the stuff for two months and I still have the creepy crawlies.... Well geesh......what are we SUPPOSED to think!???
huh??? zman
I'm just curious......zman
Well, it doesnt seem that the antibiotics are cureing you either.I have heard of some being cured,with silver,so for some it works.I guess the only way to know is to try it. They dont seem to be coming up with any antibiotics that cure the chronic lymers.
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Sorry for the typo's, I'm tired, been a long day, my point is most silver is Ionic, it's not only mostly worthless but not all that great for you, Collodial however, is quite the opposite.
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I try to stay open about any and all suggestions about a healing process.
I do believe that antibiotics must be used to get rid of lyme, but, antibiotics cannot be tolerated by all, and yeast brought on by the cure is another issue to deal with.
It seems many of us have followed our LLMD's advice step by step and have not gotten much better, some worse. It makes me sad.
As far as money making, the pharmacutical companies are raking it in. The are HUGE money makers. Along with the FDA, who knows what is really safe and what works anymore ?
I'm going to keep trucking along until I find something that works !!!!
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Geez 8man12...
I sure hope that was a type o....no antibiotics to kill lymies?????
I have NEVER said that I'm not getting well with antibiotics....Quite the contrary....
I have mentioned many times that colloidal silver does'nt work.
I've read here that this is a nano version and it cures in two days to two weeks. Then how is it that the testimonial guy is still taking it for two months????
I'm glad you brought up my post however...cuz the other guy neglected to address my questions.
In much the same way politicians never answer direct questions.
HUH?
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I've read here that this is a nano version and it cures in two days to two weeks. Then how is it that the testimonial guy is still taking it for two months????
I agree, if it killed the lyme in our bodies in two days,it would probably kill us.I have seen the silver work with the ALS type of lyme,energy,appatite,etc.
And a friend from Ohio was on antibiotics 9 years ,couldnt go off them.She started doing as i do and makes her own,she has been symptom free for two years.
Does my silver kill the lyme ,i dont think so,but after 16 years, i know it has sure helped the last 3.
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Look, let's be clear about something from the start: This product IS NOT your standard ``colloidal silver'', and trying to put it on the same category is just plain wrong.
As IsThereHope has tried to explain, if you do any research about this at all, you will realize that this product completely different that the traditional silver products we may all be familiar with. Not to mention the silver concentration in the product. I think that is also a key element here.
I don't remember reading any claims that this stuff will cure anything in 2 weeks.
quote:Are we sure the silver did'nt cause these fibers?
HA, HA, HA, HA, ha, hee, hee - oh, boy, that's terrific. This falls under the ``better to remain silent and appear a fool than to speak and remove all doubt'' category.
This ``free'' offer is being made as an experiment to see what effect, if any, this product may have on Lyme. If you have reservations and don't want to be part of the experiment, then don't participate. Free choice - what a great thing!
Incidentally, there is a very good chance this product will work well on Lyme. For starters, silver just loves Bb and sticks to it rather well. That's why silver stain is used when examining Borrelia under the microscope. (See the 2005 Townsend Letter, for starters. I've seen this in many other places, too.)
Who knows? This could be a viable treatment. That's what this ``experiment'' is all about. It would make things a heck of a lot easier on all of us if some alternative treatment were found since the IDSA doesn't really want us to be treated with mainstream medicine anyway and insurance companies don't want to cover it either.
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I've read here that this is a nano version and it cures in two days to two weeks. Then how is it that the testimonial guy is still taking it for two months????
This is why folks don't understand silver when the information is posted, folks just spout off at the mouth and don't do thier homework, I had/have morgs, which my friend, makes Lyme look like a walk in the park, I hope you never have to go their my friend. Nobody says it cures in two days to two weeks. I would be very suprised if anyone feels terrific in two weeks after 12.5 years on anti-biotics, my opinion was there were 60% of what was making me sick, I went off them a decade ago, at first it was very hard, the panic to go back on them was strong, but I stayed off, in my opinion that is a large part of why I was able to recover so quickly, my body wasn't struggling against the damange of anti-biotics, they don't work, or you'd be cured.
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In between family doc and my first LLMD, who practices functional medicine,
( and don't ask me what that is because alls I know is that my first llmd practiced it
and when he was closing his practice he could'n't refer me to another one
that practiced f.m. because there aren't any in this area so I just threw the paper away) .
He did suggest ARGENTYN 23, a professional silver hydrosol formulation. Everyone,
including him, that worked there has Lyme. The one woman told me she takes it everyday.
So I thought Well, if it's good enough for them, and also I know someone who has lyme and I was told that he was taking it, so I got some.$40.00 for 8ozs.
Any way this was our first visit there and before we got any test results back I had told him that I felt like I was coming down with a cold,
but it wasn't getting any better or any worse, just lingering on. So i was advised to go to my family doc.
He said I had bronchitis, Gave me a prescription for cefuroxime axetil/ generic for ceftin.
This was right after I finished "my 3 week cure" treatment of Doxy.
I decided not to take the ceftin, but did take the ARGENTYN 23 and my bronchitis cleared up. so If
bronchitis is a virus, (isn't it?), then what BEA said makes sense.
I took the ARGENTYN 23 for a couple weeks. If any body's interested in this stuff the website is
www.natural-immunogenics.com they have a whole history and such on it. Just thought it would be of interest to you researchers out there.
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HAH....
Caught two or three fish with just one lure!
I told you before truthfinder...you could'nt find your butt with a flashlight...
and as for you 8man12 you sure sounded sick a little while ago and no mention of silver to treat that girl you're supposed to be helping...citruslyme...remember her?
also and I have'nt forgot you Hope....
I read where Morgellons is the reason this stuff is recommended...and I may have had some fibers comming out of me early on in my lyme fight...just never looked that close...
but could feel like I had small wires or glass emerging from my skin...
SOOOOO I called your buddy...Russell....HE IS THE ONE WHO TOLD ME ON THE PHONE THAT IN 2days to 2 weeks I should be cured.......
So put that in your applecider vinegar bathwater and swim in it!
NNNNOOOOWWWWWW What you got to say???? HMmmmmmmmmm?????
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Enough of this pointless nonsence!
12 people are going to try this product.
If it works, or we see positive change in the 2 weeks, great.
If it does NOT work...nothing lost.
Stop this arguing and negativity now, as you have better things to do.
This product will not harm us, or I would not use it. (Contrary to Flagyl, which turns us into Zombies and has been shown to be carcinogenic).
Just let it rest...we will report what we find.
No big deal. Oh, yes, Russell might have said it works in a few days etc., he is just reporting what he was told by those who had good results with treating Morgellons.
I for one, hope these people do get better, as that is one nasty disease.
At least we Lymies can go out in public!
Be well all...let's do what we have to do to get better, and realize that we are all in the same boat...stop rocking it or it will sink!
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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ASAP states their product does not kill beneficial bacteria so this guy aint the only one saying it. Couldn't find it but I did find their conclusion concerning some of their test. Keep in mind ASAP is selling their product to African countries to cure malaria, TB and other infections.
An Alternative to Antibiotics At the conclusion to the antibiotic tests, Dr. Ron Leavitt Ph.D. stated, "The data suggests that with the low toxicity of elemental silver in general, and the broad spectrum of activity of the ASAP Solution�, the ASAP Solution� may be effectively used as an alternative to antibiotics."
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Just for the record, Russell has never used the word Cure regarding NutraSilver for anything in any converstations with me. My hope is that it helps some of you though, keep the faith. You might start out with half the recommended dosage for the first day or two and see if you have any kind of herx.
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jAMES,
While I do agree...further argument is pointless.
Let me just inject that flagyl does NOT make one a zombie...it can cause lethargy but hardly make one a zombie.
On the other hand untreated neuro infection Can and does make one a zombie...early on it did it to me.
Perhaps the abx killing the chetes in the brain and elsewhere and the subsequent release of toxins in the brain is what causes some psychological abnormalities.
Also PTSD has been connected to Chronic illness. As a self replicating cycle.
PTSD...feelings of paranoia; always on guard;fear of the unknown;depression/anxiety/rage;etc...
By the way...that is NOT what Russell said to me on the phone....as a matter of fact lots of people don't even bother to call him back...probably cuz they're too embarassed or peeved.
IT is what he believes and gives as a sort of pitch.
Besides, Hope, I did do my homework and bounced around the WWW and read a whole lot about morgellons and nutrasilver or silverdyne or what ever you want to call it.
This guy lives in RENO Nevada.....any lymies near there to give this guy a look see??
If I were two states over I would look him up!
How about any calymers??
Sic him! Go over the mountains and thru the woods and see if this guy is legit!???
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I need my blanky....
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Hey sorry Jimmy,
By the way...I was on a boat in the Navy with a guy by the name of James A Wagner who was from Poland NY...
Can you see if you can find him for me?
We used to call him JAW!
I was called SPIKE in case he askes who wants to find him!
thanks zman(how'd you know I was half sicilian?
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As far as the other James W., don't know him, but try to search in the www.superpages.com site.
If he has a phone and is listed, you will find him there.
Meanwhile, have a Cannoli and some Espresso, and meet us in Bay Ridge Friday night!
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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For the group who is trying this, let's all PM one another and share email addresses so we can communicate and follow progress on one another. I will read back through this and determine who the guinea pigs are, then will PM. Anyone who wants to do this, please PM me and I will provide my email.
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Hi guys--I tried pming connie too--Just wanted to say I'm on board and look forward to seeing what happens. I've taken silver beofre and experienced a huge herx from it. I imagine I'll have to go slowly with it, a lot slower than what russell has in mind...we all have to know our limits!!
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Ooops sorry about the full box. I fixed it. Let's all keep in touch. Should be interesting...
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Ashley, I'm a bit concerned about herxing also. I am soooo sensitive. Although I am taking some Buhner herbs that are helping with herx's. But 20 drops 3 times a day is pretty heavy. I will check in with intuition when the bottle comes. Take care all. Joyce
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Wanted to let you know I rec'd my bottle yesterday.
Yesterday I also found out I will be starting IV Roceph on Thurs. I am keeping the Nutra for the future, but not starting on it till I see the results of the Roceph. This is my final and last resort on IV's.
Please keep us up to date on your progress. I hope it works !!!! I hope the Roceph works !!! Please...let something work !!
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OK, I have emails from JRWagner and typhoon..sheri (but she can't start right now). IsThereHope, please send yours and I will include you in the conversation. To whoever wants to join in, I had the idea of assembling all emails then always clicking on "reply all" that way everyone will see what the others have ot say.
I do not have my bottle yet, but should have in the next few days.
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Connie, Thanks for doing this.I just pm'd u. OOPS, forgot to send u my E-mail address. Will do. Joyce
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I wish you all well, I truly do. But I remember when colloidal silver was a big deal on Lymenet 5 years ago. It never became the "big cure" we've all been looking for.
Just be careful, okay?
-- Shaz
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Best of luck to all of you who are willing to try this!
I think it's great, and especially since you all plan to keep in touch.
Don't forget to let the rest of know how it's going. We may not remember to check the website. After all, we do have Lyme, you know.
All the best, Tracy
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This sounds like animal studies using human volunteers.
This stuff is being sold as a cure for Lyme, but one thing I have not found anywhere is any solid evidence of silver having any effect on Borrelia species in particular.
Silver is credited with some antimicrobial properties, but just which microbes? Someone asked if it kills benefial bacteria... 'Oh no, just bad ones.' So then it is selective, it only kills bad ones?
There are alot of very strong and very toxic antibiotics that have little or no effect on Bb. It is really difficult to kill with anything we have at our disposal... mainstream medical or alternative.
I did some experimentation with it last year, adding microscopic silver particles to a blood culture and watching it under a microscope for a few days. This was just for my own curiosity.
As usual bacteria of many kinds start multiplying until the sample is swarming with them. I couldn't see any attenuation of bacterial growth at all around the silver particles. I actually expected that I would see a zone of no growth around them, but I did not.
Like any antibiotic being tested by culture and sensitivity, silver compounds being sold for Lyme should be able to demonstrate attenuation of growth OF THE CAUSATIVE ORGANISM.
I would like to see some scientific evidence (as opposed to testimonials) showing that silver has activity specifically against Bb or the common co-infections. Even if it is useful for some infective agents, one should not just assume it is good for this one.
Lacking that, asking people to try it to see what it does... first bottle free or not... is immoral in my opinion.
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quote:Originally posted by James H: I would like to see some scientific evidence...
TRIAL RESULTS OF MILD SILVER PROTEIN IN LYME DISEASE*
Preliminary laboratory studies on Borrelia burgdorferi spirochetes revealed that mild silver protein solutions reduce the growth rate of these cells significantly and eventually lead to cell death. It has been pointed out, however, that the spirochetes tested belong to a laboratory ATCC strain which is widely used in cell and tissue cultures and does not represent recent isolates from Lyme disease patients. In these tests, various concentrations of silver protein solutions were added to the culture of Borrellia spirochetes. Low concentrations of a silver protein solution (ranging from 2 to 10 parts per million) slowed the growth rate of the spirochetes over a time span of 1 to 3 days. Higher concentrations of silver protein (between 15 to 75 parts per million) had a much faster deleterious effect on cell replication. Growth inhibition depended on the concentration of the silver protein and on the duration of treatment.
More studies are definitely necessary to obtain a clearer picture of the interaction between the silver protein and Borrelia burgdorferi. As these very preliminary studies suggest, growth and replication of Lyme spirochetes are measurably inhibited by silver protein in the in vitro setting.
Manfred E. Bayer, M.D. Senior Member Fox Chase Cancer Center, Institute for Cancer Research Philadelphia, PA 19111
Margret H. Bayer, Ph.D. Senior Research Associate Fox Chase Cancer Center, Institute for Cancer Research Philadelphia, PA 19111
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Quote: This ``free'' offer is being made as an experiment to see what effect, if any, this product may have on Lyme.
I just have to say I feel like I've been experimented on for a long time by docs, ducks, llmds and the herbal pushers.
Now I'm too sick to trust anything new. In fact, I'm trying to stop some of what I've been taking....the new cure is worse than the old curse of lyme sometimes.
I'll wait to see results from the brave ones here before I sign up to be a lab rat.
If the testimonials come in from people I know and trust here, I will consider this regimen.
good luck but be careful lab rats. :-)
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Hi brent,
What is the link to this information?
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Some people seem to think that it is SOOOO scary to participate in something like this.
Good grief.
If anything, it will just be a waste of time, and not much at that.
Would you rather be one of the volunteers who participated in the Cymbalta trials and ended up committing suicide?
Or, perhaps you would feel better if you were one of the Zelnorm drug ``lab rats'' that had to have their gall bladder removed since Zelnorm makes you dump all kinds of garbage into your gall bladder. (I now have sludge in my own gall bladder from taking Zelnorm, thank you very much.)
And the drugs I mentioned got approved as ``safe'' by the FDA!!
And James, please don't be a Spin Doctor. It just confuses the issue.
quote:``This stuff is being sold as a cure for Lyme,...''
That statement is patently false, and therefore doesn't do anybody any good. Besides, Tony Z has the corner on the market in the Spin Doctor arena, and he may resent your encroachment on his territory.
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Just a little addendum to Truthfinder's last post:
In the Beginning of Time...when most Doctors(??!!) knew nothing (some things have not changed)about Borrelia Burg. we were given ABX that were NOT proven to be effective against the bacteria. These ABX may have worked against Syphilis, and other infections, but they were NOTY proved to be effective IN VIVO.
In fact, some of the ABX we are given now have not been conclusively proven to work for all species of Borrelia, or all strains of BB...except for some studies in Vitro...which proves nothing.
So what? We have been guinea pigs ever since we were bitten. We have all sorts of ABX combos thrown at us...I have tried them ALL, except Vanco, and I am NOT going there.
Hyperbaric, Infra Red Sauna, Ozone Therapy, H2O2 infusions O2, Accupuncture,Accupressure, Cranial Maipulation, Chinese Herbs, Other Herbs, DNP (ICHT), Sweat Lodges, Arsenic Therapy,ART testing, etc., etc., etc.
Except for a few of these treatments, no valid scientific, Peer Reviewed, Double Blind (placebo) studies have been done. If one includes Studies done at VALID, RESPECTED Institutions of Research and Higher Learning in the criteria, the list shrinks even more...(NO "Research Institutions" with a person's home address make the cut...sorry TM...we are NOT fools!
Silver has been used to purify drinking water for a long time. In fact, when I went to Med School in Guadalajara in the 70's (remember then?) we used Silver Halide tablets for our water purification, and to disinfect our veggies and fruits...lest we get Moctazuma's Revenge (Amoebic Dysentery), called "American Student's Running Out of Class QUICKLY Disease".
We are not in danger here. Some ABX, such as Flagyl, have been shown to be carcinogenic in animal studies...My Doctor did not want me to take Flagyl long term for this reason.
The sky is not falling...we are just doing a little friendly test. If this works, and I have absolutely no preconceptions, as I know all to well how tenacious this bacteria is, great.
If it does NOT work, nothing lost, knowledge gained.
Now, everyone go out and enjoy the day.
No more bickering, it is not positive energy, and we need to stay positive.
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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**sigh** I so hate it when people tell me to stop talking and go away....
Sorry, Wagner, I'm not bickering. I'm disagreeing.
I read through the page link from brent, and it doesn't convince me any more than before. Dr. Farber never published anything on Bb in peer review. (And if that is a cut-and-paste of his statement, I wonder if he is even real, because I see the same types of grammar and spelling errors that I saw in the company owner's words when he posted here.)
Burgdorfer admitted that the product killed a strain of Bb in vitro. I see nothing in his statements endorsing the use of silver at all in the treatment of Lyme, and he certainly did not endorse this particular product. To send his lab some of the product and then to quote anything that wasn't negative (if that is what happened), is dishonest.
Heck, lots of things kill Bb in a petrie dish, and I wouldn't take them, either.
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As for the info on Silver, AGAIN: Look at all of the Brorson's studies on Flagyl and Tinnidazole...ALL were done in Vitro.
In fact, most studies of ABX and BB were done in Vitro as well...until Dr. Fallon and his Chronic Lyme Disease Study, funded by the NIH, done at Columbia Presb. Medical Center in NYC.
PLEASE... you have a right to agree or disagree...however,we will find the truth by taking the stuff. No amount of agreeing or disagreeing will effect the outcomes.
BrentB, thanks for the links,they were very interesting.
No, Russell Altman did not write anything in these links. Many of us can have typos or spelling issues.
Be well all,here's to finding an answer...just one for now!
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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LYME SMURFS!!!!!! Tres Cool, Non?
My luck I will turn Purple and lose an eye and grow a horn...and start flying...
You know the rest...
Question: Does your chewing gum lose it's flavor on the bedpost overnight?
It's not really me, I swear...must be the Hi Ho SILVER!!!! AWAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
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