Topic: Any light-eyed people slowly turning brown-eyed?
tailz
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I'm 41 and was just diagnosed with Lyme back in September of 2006. I just began IV Rocephin.
I'm not sure exactly when this started to occur, but I'm thinking in my early 30's I started noticing that my green-blue eyes were developing these kind of cool copper splotches - close to the pupil (thick splotches off the pupil), and more splotches in my right eye than the left.
Interestingly enough, my symptoms were more left-sided initially, so I believe the greatest concentration of Lyme was in my right brain most of my life.
People used to comment on my eyes a lot because it looked kind of cool. I didn't think much of these copper splotches (and gold inner rings) until I started to read about heavy metal toxicity in Lyme.
My doc did test me for some heavy metals recently - arsenic, lead, and mercury to be exact - and all are within range, and actually quite low. In fact, my arsenic levels had been within occupational range earlier in the year, but I brought them down somehow.
I am having my doctor test my copper levels, but those results are not back yet. I'm thinking aluminum would be another good one, and perhaps iron. Any other ones not mentioned that I should request? I know I had to drink a lot of barium through all of this, as most of my symptoms in recent years have been GI-related.
Anyway, I did start oral EDTA for heavy metal chelation a couple of weeks ago, and I've been noticing that these copper colored splotches (not the inner gold rings though) are slowly vanishing! I even compared my eyes to pictures taken of me maybe a year or so ago. My eyes are turning green where they used to have copper splotches!
If there is anybody else on here with light-colored eyes, and you notice (or have noticed) a change in eye color? - specifically gold, copper, or brown splotches or rings - could you please let me know? Also, if you know what metal does this. Thank you! And here I thought eye color was all genetic!
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One nutritionist quoted a study that correlated a change in eye color, either with one or more nutrient deficits, and/or medical conditions.
similar experience here, but it happened many years before i had lyme, and in no way sick.
without disclosing clues to my identity(sorry), one day, best i recall,a family member once referred to my eyes having changed color, specifically mentioning the color. at that time, i recalled the nutritionist's having made the correlation(s)/cause(s) mentioned above.
at the time, figuring it was a vit. b2 deficit, i made a mental note to get a multi-vit/min. supp., while also kind of shruging my shoulders,tacitly dismissing the remark as due to the play of sunlight, shadows, and other conditions, on my face, and/or something wrong with the family members sight...nutrient deficit...medical condition...
i still don't know the reason for why my eye color changed.
On a lyme related note, w/rt color vision, and lyme, i once fell asleep with clothes on. i had a green shirt on. when i awoke in the morning,the very second i opened my eyes, my shirt color was red, a kind of washed out burgundy-red,or the color of a rose wine! i then closed my eyes,thinking about what this meant, stretched a little, finally waking up for the day.
when i looked, my shirt color was green again!
this never happened again. inexplicable. still haven't found out what this means. any clues, leads or links?
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Carol in PA
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When I was young, both my parents had blue eyes.
By the time I was in my teens, and my parents had reached age 40 or so, they had brown eyes.
Now that I know the pattern of Lyme symptoms, I believe my father's medical problems were due to Lyme.
And my mom has symptoms too...needed knee replacements.
Carol
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so glad u got your copper tested! I thought that was responsible for my illness but it wasnt....but copper spots on the eyes is often an indicator it is! Might not be bad news for you to figure out whats been going on with you. Good luck!
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Having had very similar symptoms, I was told besides all other problems I had the Horner's Syndrome. You may want to look it up here: http://www.lex18.com/global/story.asp?s=1230689
I was also very heavy metal toxic, a lot of palladium from gold crowns, and had many root canals.
After detoxing and removing all root canals, I started to improve. I am totally fine today. Lyme is completely gone bye-bye.
Oxygenation, oxygenation! is important.
Take care.
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WOW Tailz,
From copper to green! HMMM!
Isn't that what happens to copper after time!?
It turns green due to oxidation!?
Iv'e actually witnessed this phenom in the eyes of all the ducks I've ever gone to...
they all have blue or green eye's BEFORE I tell them I suffer from chronic lyme...
THEN all of a sudden I see their eyes start to turn brown...as they start to spout their sh!t!
and they get browner and browner.....LOL
Hey PQ... Come on now admit it...you got smashed drinking some red wine and spilled it all over you're shirt!
Either that or you dreamed you had on a red shirt cuz you never REALLY woke up...you just thought you were awake...
On a serious note...that last part about THINKING you were awake but not actually BEING awake has happened to me a lot...kinda out of body experiences...ya know! Woooo OOOO wooo!
Anyway.......that's one of the reasons the ducks look at your eyes...and into them....
some diseases or deficiancies are denoted by changes in the eyes...like even on the white part when it turns yellow!
jaundice....
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There is a copper-fructose connection. More fructose we consume, drives copper levels DOWN.
Bb is PFK...phosphofructokinase dependent. It needs this enzyme of ours. This enzyme commits us to finalize the breakdown of sugar:
"But when phosphofructokinase adds a second phosphate to the sugar, it is committed for complete breakdown. Phosphofructokinase is like a miniature molecular computer that senses the levels of different molecules and decides if the time is right for breakdown of sugar."
What happens if this enzyme is driven too low? Anemia for one (this happens to our astronauts who return to earth with low PFK levels and anemia).
If we can no longer complete the task and breakdown sugar, then does copper rise?
Copper levels are also related to the levels of zinc and vitamin C (inversely - either one).
SOD...one of the antioxidant enzymes is copper-dependent too.
The interplay of the nutrients gets mindboggling.
Different body tissues also have different needs...further complicating the picture.
I really admire eye doctors...the eyes are soooo complex!
And as we all know...guys in particular are "visually" stimulated.
So there are male-female differences in the ways we are "wired", "respond to", and "see things" too.
The body is wonderous!
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I have what you're talking about. My eyes are green, but since I can remember I have had brown/copper flecks in the bottoms of both eyes. They went away in one eye, only to return years later. And now, as I am in treatment finally for Lyme, some of them are getting bigger.
Since I believe I have congenital lyme, having this stuff since birth is not much of a surprise to me.
What does interest me, though, is iridology. There is a whole area based on eye discolorations and where exactly they are located on the eye and what they mean and which parts of the body they correlate to. It's fascinating. I think it is usually toxicity or problem/blocked areas, but I don't think it's only heavy metals per se.
I've tried to figure it out myself using an iridology chart, butit's really hard. I think the closest I came was correlating one of the blotches to the intestines -- no surprise there.
Another thing I should metnion is that my eyes were very blue when I was younger, and now they are definitely green. I also have the yellow ring around my pupils, so I'm wondering if that's the reason my eyes are green instead of blue.
Alison
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Our indoor cat has tested negative for Bartonella. That doesn't mean anything right? This cat was a stray we found as a kitten.
When we decided to keep him, we brought him indoors for good. He is a Siamese and has large blue eyes. One morning I woke up and they were green.
I thought that was strange, so off to the vet. The vet had no clue, but gave him antibiotics. Guess what? The eyes turned back to beautiful blue!!!
Guess what my daughter has? TWO STRAINS OF BARTONELLA!! I think the cat is positive! But, we have had him 11 years, he isn't going anywhere now.
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** IMPORTANT **
IF I WERE YOU I WOULD HAVE SOMEONE CHECK FOR WILSONS DISEASE. If I interpret what you have written correctly, I suspect the rings you refer to are called kieser-fletcher rings and are a strong indicator of wilsons. It is a rare disease, most Doctors never see a case in their entire professional carrier.
Wilsons is a genetic disease in which you cannot produce enough enzyme to absorb the copper and excrete it. The copper then builds up in the body tissue. LOW serum copper and low cereloplasm are typically found. This might account for your low copper readings on the metal toxicity test.
The complications can be many, liver damage, neurological problems (like Lyme) and a host of other odd symptoms that can result for tissue damage due to the copper buildup.
This idea of wilsons is just a hunch but wilsons is easily treatable IF YOU RECOGNIZE IT. If not treated is is eventually uniformly fatal.
If I where you I would do a bit of research on Wilsons and if warranted get a Dr to check for it.
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Thanks everybody - it's not just me then! My eyes are changing color!
Alison - you sound like me. My eyes were baby blue as a kid, but later turned green. In my 30's was when I started to get the copper splotches and gold rings. I, too, believe I was born with Lyme, so I often explained things away with, "It's always been that way."
If I weren't seeing the copper splotches disappear with my recent intake of oral EDTA, I would never have believed metals were actually settling in my eyes, but after seeing them slowly dissolve with the EDTA, I do believe I am heavy metal toxic with some metal. I'm scared because I do not know if the gold rings belong there. Somehow I think they don't.
I'm going to look into iridology, too, I think. But I would recommend oral EDTA to anyone experiencing any change in eye color like this.
I'll be curious to see what my copper levels are. I may twist his arm to check my ceruloplasm, too.
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I found pictures of what my eyes look like (sort of anyway). My eyes now both look similar to the "Flower Emotional Type" in these pics. I have the gold near the pupils like in these pics.
At one point though (before I began the oral EDTA), my eyes had become a cross between the "Flower Emotional Type" pattern in this iridology pic and the "Jewel Analytical Type". In fact, the splotches in my right eye were the color of the splotches in the Jewel Analytical Type in places, though not as extensive. The EDTA seems to be removing these copper splotches anyway.
Any of you have either of these 'eye color' patterns???
I'm reading all this stuff on the net claiming iridology is nonsense and fraud. I don't buy that though. I think modern medicine is. I may even try palm reading at this point - I'm sooooo mad at my docs.
My eyes have always been blue, with some brown around the iris, and little whitish flecks. I had never seen anyone else with eyes like this, until my younger son was born...his eyes are the same as mine.
Carol
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david1097 mentioned Wilson's Disease.
I looked this up, and found pictures of Kayser-Fleischer Rings.
Kayser-Fleischer Ring: Clinical sign. Brownish-yellow ring visible around the corneo-scleral junction.
Golden to greenish-brown annular deposition of copper located in the periphery of the cornea.
First appears as a superior crescent, then develops inferiorly and ultimately becomes circumferential.
Copper chelation therapy may cause fading and even disappearance of the corneal copper over time.
If you examine the pictures, you can see that the brownish ring is around the outside edge of the iris.
Carol
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Aniek
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Please follow up on the Wilsons Disease!
The symptoms are similar to Lyme. They are close enough that the episode of House where they diagnosed somebody with Wilsons had me staring in the mirror to check my own eyes.
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: "...." Hey PQ... Come on now admit it...you got smashed drinking some red wine and spilled it all over you're shirt!
Either that or you dreamed you had on a red shirt cuz you never REALLY woke up...you just thought you were awake...
On a serious note...that last part about THINKING you were awake but not actually BEING awake has happened to me a lot...kinda out of body experiences...ya know! Woooo OOOO wooo!
Anyway.......that's one of the reasons the ducks look at your eyes...and into them....
some diseases or deficiancies are denoted by changes in the eyes...like even on the white part when it turns yellow!
jaundice....
zman
sssh!...musta been the cabernet sauvignon... ...massive "vowel movement " on a bottle of "cranbewee yoos"...
actually, alc. intol. since lyme; even alc.tincts. of herbs under tongue,per instructs., and i'll get a warm flush.
on the "...never really woke up...", actually,at that time i often woke up, and went whole days still dreaming, even though i went about my daily activities. lyme-induced--too, part delirium. couldn't shake the dream. with tx, the dreaming while awake has disappeared. i think bransfield mentions this lyme effect in one of his writings.
yellow eyes... once, at a bus stop, i saw this in a south sudanese fellow; i became real nervous, fearing hepatitis, thinking yellow eyes were indicative of this, but other conditions can cause this as well. i don't recall what though. the yellowed whites of his eyes contrasted greatly with his very dark skin color. i'll never forget it. i saw him again, months later, and the whites of his eyes were normal--white.
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pq - your mailbox is full or I would write you there;) But to answer your question, I got my EDTA from Wonder Labs over the net. I couldn't find it in any stores here. I think it chelates more than just copper, too. Here are two links I found on what EDTA does:
But sorry everybody for the wide post. I'm such a computer dork - I'd like to blame it on Lyme, but I'm not sure about that one:-( lol
No, but seriously, I'm thinking I have copper stuck in tissue and it won't show up on blood or urine tests. I think my doctors are just going to let me die of heavy metal poisoning because unless they can prove it - it isn't - something I learned over and over again with Lyme.
In fact, this would explain why I feel like electricity is going through me when I'm in front of computers or under fluorescent lights - docs look at me like I'm crazy, but I'm toxic with metals. I'm basically conducting electricity.
In fact, twice over the one summer, a lightning bolt seemed to come right through the window like it was headed right for me. I'm not kidding here either. I'm scared. I defy science.
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See, I KNOW I have babesia. I broke the mouthparts of a mosquito off in my leg a few years ago!
My coinfections have been negative, and I've been tested twice for babs, BUT I've also been taking a lot of wormwood around the time of these tests, which is the equivalent of Levaquin. Wormwood is the only thing that seemed to help the burning in my bladder, and whenever I stop it, it comes right back.
How often should I get retested for coinfections before I can feel 'safe' that I don't have them? Everything seems to point to babs, but my doc isn't too concerned with a negative test.
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There are false negatives in the coinfection tests. You can never be certain you don't have a coinfection because of a test.
Have you seen an eye doctor about your eyes? They should pretty quickly point in Wilson's direction.
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Marnie
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This "encyclopedia" website which talks about eye color is quite interesting!
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Interesting eye color link, Marnie. My eyes look blue sometimes - grey - greenish - greenish with brown splotches - they keep changing with the EDTA.
I still don't know if I'm heavy metal toxic with copper. My results aren't back yet. I did find out I have some sort of 'nose' or 'skin' staph in my bloodstream - I think it was staph dermatica or something like that.
I'm lost though. I don't know if I should be adding or removing metals anymore. Even zinc is a metal. I feel sick when I take my zinc, but I'm never sure if that's a good thing or not. How do I get rid of only the bad metals?
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