If we keep doing what we keep doing.............. I think it's wake-up time.
Take care.
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lymie tony z
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GIGI says,
"If we keep doing what we keep doing"
Exactly what is it that YOU keep doing?
I know I have'nt had relations with or swapped spit or blood recently with any apes or chimpanzee.
Neither have I had any such fluid swapping contact with bats or indigenous humans who may pass me the virus E-bola.
I'm awake....what did you mean?
I know you don't like me too much and probably won't respond...
But no, I'm not too worried about e-bola right now or west nile or bird flu...
and if you're going to mention overuse of antibiotics let me remind you that e-bola and the other two I mention are virus's...uneffected by antibiotics.
I'm more interested in what I have...chronic lyme and a little diabetes2 thrown in for good measure.
zman
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Not for you, Z. You are not quite up to understanding this.
For others, what I meant is that we are messing up the environment a bit more and a bit more. We thought we could kill all the bugs with our chemicals. The bugs, though, have already gotten the upper hand and are fighting for survival with all their might. We are the conquered.
The bugs settle in our reproductive areas, as evidenced by many posts here. That location assures their survival because we are easily passing the bugs on to others from there in a way that ensures absolute safety for them. They keep making their babies and we keep suffering.
Take care.
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lymie tony z
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Well What do you know...you DID respond...
Even if it was to question my perception and grasp on worldwide epidemics...Hmmmmmgee THAT NEVER occured to me...give me a break sister!
I mean after all....the bugs started it did'nt they?
Why should'nt they inherit it!
Gee Gorillas only have silver backs....we in our infanite wisdom have NANONUTRASILVER to come to our rescue...
Anyway....I'M REALLY REALLY GLAD THERE ARE NONE OF YOUR GENES IN MY IMEDIATE FAMILY...course one never knows...does one...you may have some of mine!
OH WAIT...that's highly unlikely....I'M RATIONAL!
But for those who are of GG's ilk....
RUN RUN THE SKY IS FALLING
I mean hell...what, me worry? What with Ozone depletion and possible irradiation fnd global
warming, the earth's magnetic field shifting,the earth's angle shifting,techtonic plates shifting causing massive earthquakes and tsunami,not to
mention Yellowstone EXPLODING...or some other natural mega volcanic erruption, and then there's always the odd mile and a half rock plummeting
thru our attmosphere to end life as we know it...accept for the cockroaches...
they'll still be around and of course the microbes...>>>>>>>>zman..
PS capitols not designating yelling just emphasis...
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Back to the subject.....
Thanks for the link GIGI. Interesting to note that some think that HIV transferred from monkey to human in Africa. As the earth continues to be exploited, remote and untouched regions are likely to contain as yet undiscovered pathogens that we humans have no knowledge of or defense for. That, of course is the tip of the iceburg as to the damage that has and is being done to the earth and to species on the earth.
My guess is that the situation will only change if and when people wake up to their own best self-interest since that seems to be the driving force.
I'm very sad to see yet another species being destroyed thanks to the greed of humans.
You are so right GIGI. People need to wake up to the consequences before it's too late. Terry
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lymie tony z
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Real observant Terry....
I never left the subject!
I just expanded on the theme! Or is that a little too deep for you two?
Sorry for the sarcasm but GG started it!
zman
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There is quite a bit of concern over ebola. Presumably there are people working on vaccines and ways to vaccinate guerrillas. There may be many other vectors that are not yet known. (they suggested bats- ..I wonder about ticks... That "we might be next"; i.e., that the virus will morph a little and begin to spread among humans is something that definitely seems far from impossible; hence, as a species, we probably shouldn't ignore it, considering that there's a very good chance we can stop it, before any of the undesirable possibilities mentioned in Gigi's post occur. I don't know why anyone should question the clarity of Gigi's post....- this was the message that it was evidently carrying.... When stuff goes wrong, when UknoWhat happens, it doesn't help to attack each other without thinking... DaveS
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Global warming.
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There are a number of flavors of hemmouragic fevers. SOME VARIANTS ARE EASILY SPREAD VIA THE AIR. This has been observed already in monkeys IN THE USA (ie a Monkey house in Reston virginia... just a few miles from Washington DC. was the site if a past outbreak).
Humans exposed to this particular pathogen (the one that killed the monkeys via airbourne) were not affected in the "normal" hemouragic way. I am quite sure that their blood antibodies have (the Reston people exposed to the monkey ebola) been studied in infinitesimal detail at ft. detrick.
Nobody knows the resourvoir for ebola. Ebola comes and goes periodically and it is NOT thought to be insect bourne. I seem to recall that the focus of recurance is in a particular valley in or around rwonda (kitimans cave- a park... to be exact) Due to the fast kill and easy spread, ebola (and its relatives) HAS been the object of bio weaponization efforts... exact mechanism of delivery is not known (at least by me).
As noted, there are a number of hemouragic fevers, some of them are insect bourne but the disease acts so fast and completely that it has the tendency to burn its self out. Clusters of co-located hosts die off quickly so the disease does not have the ability(at least so far) to malinger and spread to larger areas in carriers.
No doubt that hemoragic fevers are bad. Ebola has been in the head lines for a while, but there was another variant that made the news much earlier, its called marburg.
Marburg actualy killed people in the DEVELOPED world, Marburg germany to be exact. Again it was carried by monkeys. It infected technicians, some of which even spread it to their wives. The death rate from marburg is less than ebola (I seem to recall someting like 85%), Ebola is 100%.
There are also sporadic occurnaces of various hemoragic fevers around the world. The middle east and south america are common hot spots. Perhaps a beneign virus mutates just enough to turn pathogenic, kills its hosts then disappears again.
Also remember that monkeys and apes, while quite cute looking can be deadly, both in behaviour and in germs that they carry. There are published accounts of maruading groups of chimpanzees (male) that go aroung killing other chimps and raping female chimps. They have also killed humans for whih they have taken a dislike to.
Similaly, chimps, even ones bread in captivity can carry some very nasty stuff. HIV/Aids is now defacto assumed to have been transmistted to humans by the african green monkey. Monkeys can also carry a particular variant of the herpes virus, one than can kill humans in less than 24 hours... Your good night sleep will be your last. There are others also. It has happened with bites from monkeys that have been bread in captivity for over 100 years... so these infections do have the ability to persist for a long long time.
So back to your question, are we next. Possibly so, either through evolution or through stupidity (weponization) we are at significant risk, fortunately there is enough people around that it would be pretty hard to wipe out everyone, with any luck only the bad or nasty ones would go.
Ever wonder what wiped out the dinasaur? My pet theory is that it was a virus or bacteria... It would explain the rapid demise of clusters of animals as well as to explain how some of the animals just happend to "fall asleep" in the most unlikely places (and thus become preserved).
As a final note, global warming or environmental change does not seem to affect the rate of occurance of hemrouragic fevers. They occur sporadically and emerge with different pathogenic strengths. They are now well recognized so they may appear to be more prevelent but there has not been a trend to to more frequent emergence as of late.
And Tonyz... While not in any way substantiated, there have been rumors of bioweapons trials of "benign" infectious agents having occured in places like punta gorda FLORIDA via the use of mosquitoes. This is quite pausible. Experimental desimination of test agents in the subway systems of major cites HAS been done before. Similarly, military personel have been used to test the accute and long term effects of tactial nuclear weapon use on the fighting force in both the USA and USSR (likely china , brittan and france also). There are islands in various jurisdictions that have been declared off limits due to bio weapons contamination, contamination that they cannot get rid of after a test. Brittain has some of these as does the former USSR. All of this was carried out by the respective goverments in the interest of national security....
I suggest that you open your mind a bit before jumping on the attack.. Doing what we are doing could mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. Obviously it will mean the most to those that actually know the most.
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If you are interested in a entertainig non fiction account of Ebola and some of the history behind it (as well as how it got to the USA) this is a good book to read.
The Hot Zone: A Terrifying True Story by Richard Preston
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GiGi,
Thanks for your ongoing, informative information. I am sorry that you are subjected to the likes of people here that are constantly negative and closed-minded. I for one appreciate the information that you share and what I have learned from you over the past year. You are a source of rich information given freely for the taking. I thank you!
Be well
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