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nancyb
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I just received the Igenex results for my 9 year old daughter.

Negative!

She has a clinical diagnosis from 2 different LLMD's (the only 2 in Canada!)

She has been on Amoxicillin since April/06 and reacted very strongly when she started.

Her symptoms look like a page in the Lyme book but mostly knee/ankle joint pain, stomach aches, sore throat, dizziness (resolved), blurry vision (resolved) poor memory and concentration (improved), poor circulation, mood swings (getting better).

Here are the important bands (I think)

IgG
23-25 Neg
31 Neg
34 Neg
39 Neg
41 IND
58 +
83-93 Neg

IgM
23-25 Neg
30 +
31 IND
34 Neg
39 IND
66 +
83-93 Neg

If anyone has any words of wisdom for me, I'm all ears.

Thank you!

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SForsgren
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30, 31, etc. that showed up are Lyme specific. I would not take this as negative even though it may be per CDC criteria. I would do coinfection and CD57 testing to get more information.

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nancyb
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I forgot to mention the Babesiosis result:
B.microti IgM <1:20
B.microti IgG <1:20

Also on the Western Blot tests it says:
Igenex IgG / IgM result - Negative
CDC/NYS result - Negative

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I'd take that as a clinically positive diagnosis despite the "negative" serology. Those IND bands are Bb specific. She should be treated and watched for improvement of her symptoms. Do you have a LLMD?

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SForsgren
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Agree with Penn92. Get an LLMD and start working out a treatment plan.

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Gee, with her strong reaction to amox and improvement, it sure sounds like you are on the right track.

I agree,a LLMD for sure and maybe a CD57 as mentioned.

My nine year old has a similar Igenex result as yours, a low CD57 and will start treatment with amox and zith next week.

I would not get discourage about the test results--there are some really strong indicators of Lyme there.
Best wishes!

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quote:
Originally posted by Penn92:
I'd take that as a clinically positive diagnosis despite the "negative" serology. Those IND bands are Bb specific. She should be treated and watched for improvement of her symptoms. Do you have a LLMD?

Agreed! Have you read this??

Western Blot explanation:
http://tinyurl.com/ffn3x

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My daughter's results were also very similar to your daughter's. Dr Jones told us early on that the sickest children often have the least "positive" test results. He is treating my daughter on a 30+ band IGM, which he feels is reason enough.

She is getting better after 1 year on abx. Almost 90% I would say.

Find a good llmd and she will get better. You are doing the right thing.

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I was treated initially with just a IgG band 35 and a multitude of clinical symptoms. (I don't think they even count 35 anymore.)

Anyway, I gained more bands as treatment went on. I was too sick to make antibodies. It took me 2-3 years to get a weakly CDC positive test.
That's how long it took for my body to figure out how to make antibodies.
(I had been sick for 10-12 years when diagnosed.)


It sounds like you're on the right track and her tests are showing Lyme specific bands and she is improving.


I was also negative for Babesia and 5 years after the lyme diagnosis tested weakly positive for Babesia macroti.


I'd also like to echo what everyone else said.

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Thank you everyone for your well informed help!

My panic button went off and everyone really helped me to get my thoughts together.

Canada has 2 LLMD's. But when you think of it, this is probably 2 too many considering Canada doesn't have Lyme disease. [loco]

Well, I think our last count is less than 200 people but this doesn't really count since most of these people became infected while travelling out of country. Grrr.

My daughter got a clinical diagnosis from one of the LLMD's, Dr.M, in April 2006 and she has been seeing the second LLMD, Dr. B, since August.

I haven't been able to talk to Dr. B about the results but he did write NEGATIVE on the tests before they were faxed to me.

My daughter has been on amoxicillin since April 2006 and she had a terrible reaction on day 5 and was incredibly sick for almost 2 months.

She improved greatly over the summer and in August she started going downhill again so her abx were upped.

She started out on a low dose - 1500mg/day.
In August she went to 3000mg and in December she went to 4000mg.

I wonder what 10 months of abx could do to the test results.

Abx are working. Why are they working? The best answer I can come up with so far is that she has Lyme.

Please give yourselves a big pat on the back for helping me to think this through.

[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Have you read this??

Western Blot explanation:
http://tinyurl.com/ffn3x



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Hi Lymetoo,

I printed this information out last night but my head hit the pillow before I could get into it.

I'm going to make myself a cup of tea now and read it. It looks like some really great information - thank you!!

I also have to do some reading about the CD57 test as this has been suggested to me. Do you have any links for info on this test as well?

Someone has suggested to me that children have undeveloped immune systems and test negative on Igenex more often because of this.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thanks again Lymetoo! I'm off to read....

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I have now read the Western Blot explanation and everything is much clearer now.

I went through with my highter and marked everything relating to my daughter's results.

After comparing her results to what was written, I can now say that I remain convinced of the clinical Lyme diagnosis.

Thanks Lymetoo for this. Everyone who gets a WB done should read this.

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quote:
Originally posted by nancyb:
Everyone who gets a WB done should read this.

You are very welcome. It was written by my brilliant LLMD.

He's so good at explaining things so us Lymies can understand it!!! [Wink]

I hope you find a great dr for your daughter and that she will continue to improve. I'm very glad you printed that info out.

It's great to read over and over again. Did you read all the way down? Michelle M has some great info on there as well.

Cheers! [Cool]

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nancyb
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Yes, Lymetoo, I printed it all out - including the material by Michelle along the last post about the bands and what they mean.

I even printed a copy to give to our family physician who is just learning about Lyme. I'll be sure to give this to him with the Igenex results.

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