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I'm reading 'The Body Electric' by Robert Becker, M.D. and Gary Selden. So far I've read the first and last third of the book - I jumped ahead. Has anyone here read this?
I'm concerned after reading what I have so far in this book. What's exciting is that the author suggests that salamanders (and I think rats, too, though I haven't yet gotten to this part yet) can 'regrow' limbs.
He thinks that with the proper electricity, humans can regenerate everything from limbs to organs - virtually any body tissue.
Since I forget what I read and how he explains his experiments, I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of this book.
What concerns me though is that the author briefly mentions Lyme Disease, along with a host of other 'new' diseases. He suggests that the electromagnetic fields we are exposed to incessantly in the US are messing with our immune systems, causing parasites that normally would never think to cross the blood-brain barrier to cross it.
He also goes deeply into the politics of research - both within the medical establishment and within government.
I'm concerned though - I got my Rife Machine and now I'm scared to use it. It too exposes me to electromagnetic fields. How am I to know if these are 'good ones'???
Has anyone on here mentioned to their LLMD that they can 'feel' electromagnetic fields? I can and I've told my LLMDs, but they look at me like I'm high.
The last two times I was in Walmart my eyes swelled up and started tearing. The clerk even asked me if I was okay, because it appeared like I was crying. Turns out the author of this book mentions antitheft electromagnetic fields located in many stores - I have to wonder if this is why I can't seem to tolerate Walmart?
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I think the WalMart Experience has to do with the cheap flourescents, and chemicals in all the products, plus the sheer overwhelming size which multiplies the effects.
I also think there is an overall energy in some of them that does not feel comfortable (I have been in 3, with the same experience). I do not use a WalMart anymore.
Sensitivity to EMF is hard to explain/defend to anyone who has not experienced it. I have a ND who is sensitive to it.
My llmd said he does not believe in it, and I told him that was ok, in a forgiving tone. I know that on some level he "knows" but it is not conscious !
Whether EMF brings about reduced immune functioning?
Dr. K has a lot to say about the reality of it. I do not know his sources.
One could speculate that the uncomfortable feeling is a body stress. Whether the reduced immune is a direct result of the emf, or of your uncomfortable feeling, which then causes the stress, is unknown.
Whichever, prolonged stress lowers immune system.
Several times, I have felt the far away lightning in my body when there is a thunderstorm, and this is not the lyme/bart localized electrocution. It is a brain/body "light-up" sensation. Scarey.
The fear of rife? Yes, I see your point. I used a KMT (not at this time, because I am doing the amalgam stuff), and that I can feel, too. So the rife may be stronger, i.e. it kills, rather than working as bacteriostatic like the KMT.. so it would scare me because I am sensitive.
However, I once tried a "Vibe", with no negative consequences. You'll have to google that one because I do not know much other than it has "healing" frequencies, rather than killing frequencies.
If you have no recourse except rife, then I would try a extra short session, to see how your body reacts. Sort of a "pick your poison" decision.
The book has some science and some theoretical hypothesizing/speculation. One cannot accept the hypotheses as truth, only as a possibility/precaution/caveat. (I read it eons ago in my pre-lyme existence).
Another thought: maybe if you googled their names, and found email address, you could ask them about the rife. I think you may need to know the kind of rife you are using. I believe one of the authors used to be at SUNY Buffalo? Somewhere in NY.
I will have to find that book and re-read it. I know it is here somewhere......
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quote:Originally posted by northstar: I think the WalMart Experience has to do with the cheap flourescents, and chemicals in all the products, plus the sheer overwhelming size which multiplies the effects.
I also think there is an overall energy in some of them that does not feel comfortable (I have been in 3, with the same experience). I do not use a WalMart anymore. Northstar
I have to agree with the WalMart experience! I was just there today and felt awful!!
Between the lights, the overwhelming smells and the large amount of people moving all over the place, my body just can't take it.
I avoid that place (or any place similar) as much as I can.
I have not read this book, but it seems interesting.
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I can't stand an electronic buzz! I've had a number of bad experiences in big box stores -- but not consistenty.
One time I walked to the back of home depot and by the time I got there I was so overwhelmed that I had to sit down and wait for my husband to show up and walk me out of the store.
I hate dimmer switches. Cell phones near my head give me a head ache. Once I got a migraine from walking near cell phone towers. Etc. etc.
Been this way for a long long time, so no idea if it's lyme or not, which I have no idea how long I've had it.
So I tend to be cautious about shopping. Fortunately my husband loves to shop! But unfortunatley I the one of us who is hardward store literate -- so I still have to do the HD -- always go to the small local store if there's any chance they'll have what I need.
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Occasionally some people get sensitised to Rife devices that use an RF carrier frequency to deliver the audio frequencies. My GB-4000 uses an RF carrier frequency but it also can be used in audio mode with no RF. We use it in RF mode because it increases penetration.
The good news is your EMEM is designed to work without an RF carrier frequency.
The bad news is that it uses a magnetic field instead to achieve penetration. This is considered the less risky alternative by some EMEM builders.
No one, to my knowledge has ever reported an issue with the magnetic field generated from a EMEM. There have been reports of RF sensitivity with Rife devices that use them. Very very few, and usually under very unusual circumstances such as someone who would run several devices at once all day, everyday. They were testing new units before sale.
I would be much more concerned if I lived close to a radio or cell tower since they use RF for broadcasting. And your exposure would be continuous and at high frequencies.
Anecdotal reports suggest that people with Lyme can be sensitive to chaotic electrical fields and electrical fields in the 60Hz range. Probably because household electricity uses 60 Hz frequency and that is where the most exposure takes place. The sensitivity seems to diminish as the Lyme is eliminated.
We simply weighed the threat of the Lyme disease versus the risk of treatment. All treatments have risk, both known and unknown. While Rife is experimental, it has no known side effects with normal use. That leaves the unknown risk which certainly could exist, but nothing has shown up since the late 1920's when they were first used.
Weigh the risk of the disease against the risk of the treatment you are considering and as already mentioned "Pick your poison". Use whichever you are more comfortable with as it is you who have to either live with the disease or the potential consequences of the treatment.
Here is a link to some discussions on electropollution as they pertain to Rife devices.
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I appreciate your replies. I was reading the article below though - I honestly think the combination of chemicals in the environment coupled with the electromagnetic fields causes our bodies to fail us with regards to Lyme Disease, and even cancer.
It's not 'just' Walmart for me. It can be Giant or Weis or the doctor's office or the mall. I was blaming my 'reactions' on heavy traffice areas and just pollution in general, but one thing I failed to consider was that these areas probably have more power terminals and such due to industry.
Personally, I don't believe there is a long-term technological fix for the EMF problem here. I think the only way to heal this entire world is to go back to how it used to be - maybe become an Indian or something. I can dream, right?
But this article is scary. By the way, I used to live near Naval bases, and then lived for 14 years close to a tower AND a nuclear power station. I'm not really sure what power sources surround me now. I do know I am sitting here with crystals between me and this computer though.
What IF EMF is the reason we can't seem to kick Lyme? Read the article above. This is scary. What do we DO???
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search l/n member,bob davis who i think is 'bd,' and who, discusses magnetic fields, babesia, and perhaps other tbds adversely susceptible to magnetic fields.
'pulsed magnetic therapy' has been used, and certain kinds of magnets have been used across medical conditions with variably excellent to no results.
a dr.'phillpot,m.d.,'(spell. off here) is one of teh pioneers(?) in the use of magnets for different medical conditions.
either and/or both dr. B.,llm.d., and bleiweiss,llm.d. suggested the avoidance of electric blankets because of some kind of negative influence.
if a given microorganism has minerals as part of its anatomy, or needs minerals that a magnet will pick up, then a magnet field will 'pull' on that mineral.
imo, a strong enough magnet should just rip the susceptible mineral right through the organism, thereby destroying it, or else severely compromise teh bug's functioning.
the reason is that magnetic fields go through almost anything, if not anything.
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I would think we're all exposed to basically the same amount of EMF's....So what about the people that did kick lyme? Or did they?
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I don't think they 'kicked' Lyme at all - I think it just went dormant. In fact, I question whether any of us will ever kick it.
I mean, this is all senseless. To sit here and try to figure out which magnet to use or which Rife frequency to kill Lyme and God knows what other parasites I have. I doubt that with vitamin A and D deficiencies that this is 'just' Lyme.
I've had no immune system whatsoever, especially for the last 2 or 3 years. I know I have more than Lyme. But 'technology' is too busy increasing the electromagnetic fields around us to at least develop sensitive testing for the 'bugs' that are crossing our blood-brain barriers as a result.
The solution to our Lyme Disease, our neighbor's cancer, our father's heart disease, our sister's depression is simple - we need to let go of technology (cell phones, etc...)
If we weren't creating so many expensive diseases and cancers, we wouldn't need all this expensive technology to live. Think about it.
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Good to see you! I just wrote this whole long reply and then the site had a meltdown and I lost it.
Basically, your post made me think of a lot of Tesla's work. he came up with the idea that there can be healthy electricity and unhealthy electricity depending on the herz.
Most common household appliances, even if they are turned off and still plugged in, emit the unhealthy kind. A lot of the stuff he was working on was in the hz range of healthy.
I think I told you about my electric pulser thing that I use. Kind of like the KMT (though waaaay cheaper), I electrify my blood for two hours every day and it feels mahvellous! The electricity, applied to the bloodstream has shown to disable only pathogens and leave everything else healthy.
And it feels great! It's often the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning. So I think I agree with Tesla, there are different kinds of electric energy, some good, some bad.
Thanks for reminding me about that book - it sounds good. You may want to do an internet search on Bob Beck (no relation to Robert Becker) and electromedicine.
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Good to see you, too!
See, that's what I'm trying to figure out here - are Rife frequencies good frequencies for all my body's cells (other than pathogens?)
I'm just fearful here - I think the way we are being forced to treat Lyme is stupid. If we got rid of all our modern day BS electrical stuff, we could virtually eliminate all disease.
Just the other day I wigged out at a healthfood store. Turns out the guy behind me in line had a cell phone.
I don't know - nothing bothers me more than to see a guy buying a sandwich and barely even acknowledging the clerk who is handling the transactions.
It's kind of sick to know that we're sacrificing lives essentially for the 'convenience' of being rude.
I do have to say that three atypical freckles scabbed over since I started Rifing, but I'm worried about what else the EMFs from the machine could be doing.
I hesitate because of my left-sided headaches. I may not have had a tumor back in the fall, but who knows what is going on in there now? Both sides actually hurt now.
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Last night we brought our little ceramic space heater into the living room to keep us warm.
When we turned it on, within minutes, our weimeriner (dog) began to wheeze. After listening to this for a few minutes and it wasn't stopping, we turned off the heater. The dog immediately stopped wheezing.
Interesting, huh.
Where can I learn more about EMF?
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YES, yes, Yes!!! When I was at my sickest one of the first electrical fields I could feel came off of my microwave. It really freaked me out and this had to be 24 years ago. I rarely used my microwave because I could literally feel it on my skin. I would tell epople this and they thought I was crazy. It wasn't until I started meeting people on message boards like this, that I relized I was not alone.
The good news is, that as I have gotten healthy this has stopped.
In learning recently more about dysautonomia it has made me give some thought to happenings like this.
In dysautonomia due to the dysregulation of our central nervous system we pump out ennormous amounts of adrenaline in order to keep systems like blood pressure, heart rate, temp normal.
With constant adrenaline flowing we are in a chronicc state of "Flight or Fight" response. When in the state everyone's, including the normals have hightened senses. For most when the stressor is gone, adrenaline drops back down and senses normalize.
With us, adrenaline rarely shuts down and those senses stay in constant alert status. senses are hightened ALL of the time. We may then feel everything in a way that only happens to people like us.
I have always been highly intuitive. I could sense when people were feeling badly even when they were not showing it in an obvious way. It would make me very uncomfortable. What I think was happening is again that I was in such a state of High Alert that I was aware of slight little nuances that others may not even see.
Stuff like this makes me very uncomfortable, but is thankfully going away, the healthier I get. Also in the same group of odd symptoms is being able to predict the weather by feel???
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tailz I believe quartz crystal can help protect us from EMF's.
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The electromagnetic spectrum is very broad and includes visible light, so its surely not all harmful. I am no expert, I just googled it. The high end includes gamma rays and xrays, very powerful and dangerous. The low end may be dangerous, the ELFs (extemely low frequencies) are used by certain types of radar, and there is controversy where I live about increased cancer rates because of that. No certain proof, only speculation.
I haven't yet figured out where the rife frequencies fall in the large range of EMFs. Google electomagnetic radiation to get an idea of what I am talking about.
Whether rife frequencies impact biological systems seems not to be a question-they are advertised to blow up bacteria. The question is whether those effects on health are bad, good, or mixed.
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Most all of the frequencies for Rife machines used for Lyme Disease fall in the audio range of frequencies. There are some of Royal Rifes original frequencies such as for Cancer that go into the RF range.
Audio frequencies are defined as a range of frequencies, usually from 15 hertz to 20,000 hertz, characteristic of signals audible to the normal human ear.
Bacteria and Viruses resonate at much lower frequencies than human cells. You can kill off stomach bacteria if you target them but they also grow back so fast that it is not a major issue. Nontheless you do not want to use those frequencies and there is no reason to do so.
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I don't believe ANY electromagnetic frequencies outside of nature, not matter how low, are without consequence - with or without proof of harm to humans or animals.
You all need to read the last third of 'The Body Electric' by Becker, or at least start with this article. I'm telling you - you MUST read this book to understand why your Lyme isn't going away and never will 'The Body Electric' by Robert Becker. And read this article, too:
The author of this book though thinks that bacteria is now able to cross the blood-brain barrier simply because we are all being bombarded 24/7 with electromagnetic fields that confuse our immune systems from doing the jobs they were meant to do. Do you realize how many unnatural electromagnetic fields are surrounding you right now as you sit at your computer even?
He even mentions Lyme Disease as one of the diseases that mysteriously appeared around the time that we were all bombarded with cell phones and towers and so forth to support their use. What if he's right?
I'm telling you - I can often 'feel' the computer hum through my body. I can often 'feel' the electromagnetic field of even a light bulb - I get the sensation on warmth or heat from the microwaves of the bulb because basically it's cooking me from the inside out.
My first mysterious rash appeared when I was working on a NAVAL base - near tons of radar! Then a few years later we lived near a nuclear power plant - pretty darn close to those monthly test sirens, too!
Our next house was close to an electrical tower of some sort - up on a hill!
By the way, my ex husband just had a brain tumor removed - they had to cut from ear to ear and staple his head together, so this is pretty serious stuff, and I've been having headaches myself. He was a radar technician in the Navy, and now he is bombarded with EMFs in his career selling environmental pollution analyzers no less.
The author of this article thinks that our current generation of teenagers is going to have all sorts of weird cancers and Alzheimer's and so forth, because it will take that long to 'prove' EMFs are unsafe enough to get people to do anything about them. If he's right and EMFs cause the bacteria to penetrate the blood-brain barrier, pretty much all of us will have full blown Lyme and incurable cancers a few summers from now, and even sperm and ovum will be damaged in our next generation of humans.
We need to do something - this is why we can't seem to kick Lyme - all sorts of pathogens will continue to get past the blood-brain barrier until we shut down some of the EMF fields - starting will cell phones.
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I think I read that jasper, fluorite, and pyrite are also good for absorbing EMFs.
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For what its worth, the elevated rate of brain cancer, especially in the young, is what has Cape folks concerned about the PAVE PAWS radar.
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How does one use quartz crystal or jasper, fluorite, and pyrite to protect from EMF's?
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This is quite a leap to make, really. I see a lot of pseudo-science, but there's no way I'm going to believe that Lyme, or anything else, is somehow enabled by EMF, until we get something that holds up as proof by at least a percentage of mainstream scientists. Theories are great, but it seems that many of them in this field end up in the pitfalls the correlation equals causation. I'm not calling anyone a lier, nor am I saying that we shouldn't do research, but... when a doctor supposes that we can regenerate limbs with the correct electrical signals, I want to see an active, easily reproduced experiment to prove it.
I don't feel that technology is impeding our quality of life because of EMF. Back in the "Good Ol Days" before the prevalence of EMF there were still plenty of illnesses. Back then however, people were either "Old and infirmed" if you had cancer, a heart condition etc... "Infectious" - with TB, typhoid, probably Lyme, anything generally bacterial and many viruses too. or "Crazy" - real and not so real neurological impairments (Alzheimers, dementia, even homosexuality according to prevailing scientists at the time!)
Another little note of interest is that I've seen a scientific, university study checking the various different kinds of waves that are blocked by those little tiny cell phone gold discs. Almost every one I've seen, shows that there's no difference in EMF between using a disc and not using one. Of course, proponents, developers and salespeople of the discs always come up with "Oh, they didn't look at the right frequency" or "Its just THE MAN trying to KEEP YOU SICK!...now give me 19.95". Fear, uncertainty, doubt..
The more I spend researching into treatment for cures for Lyme and other diseases that present like/are mistaken for/somehow are related to... the more I see opinions that we should live in fear.
Don't go outside, you'll get a tick bite. They're bloody everywhere. If you get a bump on your head doing some activity you'll have ADHD and won't be able to think straight for the rest of your life. Don't trust "normal" doctors, even specialists unrelated to Lyme (which admittedly, its not the doctor's faults but the fact the IDSA has given them bad information. However, I'm convinced this is the exception, not the rule.). Talk to these special "doctors" who may or may not not be MDs. Conventional treatments that your insurance will pay for are worthless. Pay up front. Now. You've been knowingly infected by the gov't with a biological weapon. Buy this expensive herbal blend. Trust me! No, don't trust him, trust me! Pay me to cure you instead! Still sick... we can't test to see if the Lyme is gone, so we'll say you have X coinfection, we can't see if those have been successfully treated, so if you still feel bad you have EMF/Chemical/Mold sensitivity? Treat those and if you still feel bad it has to be yeast! The only way to stay healthy is to spend all your money and time on arcane treatments, lock yourself in a clean room, forever!
Bloody hell. It doesn't seem like a way to live. /rant off/
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I wish, my attention span was better and I could read the book. My husband has just started reading it and thinks, it is a great book. We bought it, because Dr. K. refers to it and recommends it as a good source for the basic understanding of EMF. I've always believed in energy and energyfields. I sleep on a latex matress and a slatkit in a wooden bedframe to avoid metals. We don't have a TV in our bedroom, the static and electronic energy drives me nuts. I have major problems in electronic stores. It feels like running into a wall of static and breathing cotton balls. In other stores, I also blame the neon light for feeling anxious and tight.
It is a great book and the exposure to all these waves and EMFs can't be healthy.The reason for Lyme lies more in bio warfare, as far as I'm concerned, but you have to see the great picture of things.
Hope, you get the feedback you're looking for,
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claire you could hold it in your hand if it was small enough, or sit it on your desk, etc. i would wash the crystal with soap every so often and set it out in the sun to dry.
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Blackstone, I can relate to your rant. A person can't live a real life if they worry about everything that could possibly happen. If everything was as bad as it is often portrayed we would have been extinct by now. I think we have to remember that the average life expectancy for people just one hundred years ago was 40 something. We must be doing more right than wrong or the numbers would be different.
I am sure there are dangers to unlimited EMF but it does not take too much effort to eliminate the main ones in your home. Don't use a cell phones for long conversations or not at all. Use a wired computer. Remove dimmer switches in homes. Get a LCD monitor instead of ray tube type. Once you have done all you can do, a person may feel better about it. Can't hurt anyway.
It is the RF and Microwave frequencies that are suspect and probably only after mega exposure. Like I said earlier, I would not want to live next to a radio tower, but short of that I do not worry about it much and I read The Body Electric awhile ago.
I do not use my cell or any other phone much. I do not have dimmer switches. But I will keep my wireless internet connection. And I may get rid of my cordless phone since I can never find the darn thing anyway. I will use my Rife machine when needed.
I know enough about magnetic feilds to also know that short of being placed in a Faraday Cage that they are not going to be stopped by anything else. So I am not going to waste money trying.
I certainly am more likely to die in a more boring conventional way than of Bird Flu, Flesh Eating Bacteria, or a Taco Bell Burrito. I have already made it through Y2K. So maybe I will put on my seat belt for a change since that is probably the greatest risk to my life presently. Or, I could quit smoking. My father is thinking about it but he is 76 already and old habits are hard to break.
Other than that, I will take life as it comes.
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Blackstone - what 'proof' do you need that electromagnetic fields are harmful to the blood-brain barrier?
If you have Lyme, you ought to know by now that what is accepted as 'truth' in science, often takes decades to prove, and even then it takes a few more decades and some kind of infinitesimal catastrophe to have everybody 'come around' to the few doctors who are supposedly 'crying wolf'.
You need to read 'The Body Electric' by Robert Becker if you don't believe that we as humans were designed to regenerate limbs like salamanders and frogs and even rats can do with the right electricity. This book pretty much convinced me that we would be able to do this had we not messed with nature's own 'electricity'.
It's true that in the past people were dying of infectious diseases rather than cancer and heart disease and so forth, but it's also true that back then we weren't practicing other laws of God - laws on cleanliness such as burying the dead and monogamy and so forth. It's all spelled out in the Bible.
Those who kept kosher, for instance, were able to avoid becoming infected with certain infectious diseases, even during widespread epidemics.
You ought to know by having Lyme too that what the public is told about certain health topics such as electromagnetic pollution is sculpted by the industries that support them.
What would happen to this world if tomorrow it was proven that electromagnetic fields and cell phones and satellite dishes and so forth caused cancer? This world would be in a tailspin. And frankly, when that day comes - and it will - I'm going to be smiling - possibly the only one smiling, but I'll still be smiling nonetheless.
The time to ditch our artificial electromagnetic world is now.
Sonja - you are right on! Make sure your husband lets you in on all the secrets in 'The Body Electric'! It IS a great book, and what you are reacting to is all the electromagnetic fields surrounding you.
I can't handle my own home sometimes, though stores and whatnot seem to bother me more. I know at one intersection where there seems to be a lot of cables (and my radio goes static on me) I always seem to feel like I'm getting especially zapped.
D Bergey - In Biblical times, I think Noah lived to be a couple of a hundred years of age. It's in the Bible somewhere, and I don't know the exact age, but back then, people were still 'young' at 100 years of age, so maybe you better rethink that. We ARE becoming extinct.
And even if you eliminate every source of artifical EMFs from your home, guess what? If your neighbor has a cell phone or a computer or a satellite dish, you are still being MEGA-DOSED with EMFs.
That cell phone of yours is giving off EMFs even if it is sitting on the counter or in your purse and no conversation is taking place whatsoever. How do you think it rings?
Personally, I'd rather die of bird flu than more 'conventional' ways, like some Lyme-related cancer down the road. By the way, these electromagnetic fields we are exposed to on a daily basis pretty much 24/7 also cause yeast to grow out of control.
I can't believe you read 'The Body Electric' and still feel this way.
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I remember how I used to laugh at those kooky people who ran around wearing ``tin foil hats'' to protect themselves from ``alien frequencies'' and such.
I'm not laughing anymore.
Good discussion.
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I have read many books on the subject and since the information often conflicts, someone is wrong. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle ground. It remains to be seen at what point does harm occur. Just my take on what I have read.
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Thank you, Summerlove.
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Tracy - at last! Someone believes me! I think there were a couple others on here, too;) I may sound like one of these nuts afraid of aliens soon, too!
But seriously people - why would any of you believe our FDA or our government or the US Society To Figure Out If Electromagnetic Fields Are Dangerous? lol
We need to start a revolution here. We need to go back to God and nature - back to a time when families spent time together and our needs were pretty basic. I can live without electricity, and you can, too. They did it zillions of years ago. Why can't we seem to survive winter's cold or summer's heat? That's what igloos and fires and breezes and ponds are for!
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Both the syphilis and relapsing fever spirochetes crossed the blood brain barrier before any elctromagnetic devices were invented. Not to argue that health and illness are not impacted by technology, but only to say that biologal science is so complex that things are very hard to sort out.
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You do realize that "The Body Electric" was written in 1985, don't you???? A LOT has changed, technologically speaking... DELL was hardly a company in 1985, Microsoft had only been around for a decade, and the first cell phone was used 12 years before the book was published. It wasn't until the mid 80s that they were used by more people in the general population.
The FDA has released this statement, which brings to light the conditions lab animals were subject to to find and answer RE: What are the results of the research done already? (concerning health hazards of RF)
"The research done thus far has produced conflicting results, and many studies have suffered from flaws in their research methods. Animal experiments investigating the effects of radiofrequency energy (RF) exposures characteristic of wireless phones have yielded conflicting results that often cannot be repeated in other laboratories. A few animal studies, however, have suggested that low levels of RF could accelerate the development of cancer in laboratory animals. However, many of the studies that showed increased tumor development used animals that had been genetically engineered or treated with cancer-causing chemicals so as to be pre-disposed to develop cancer in the absence of RF exposure. Other studies exposed the animals to RF for up to 22 hours per day. These conditions are not similar to the conditions under which people use wireless phones, so we don't know with certainty what the results of such studies mean for human health.
Three large epidemiology studies have been published since December 2000. Between them, the studies investigated any possible association between the use of wireless phones and primary brain cancer, glioma, meningioma, or acoustic neuroma, tumors of the brain or salivary gland, leukemia, or other cancers. None of the studies demonstrated the existence of any harmful health effects from wireless phone RF exposures. However, none of the studies can answer questions about long-term exposures, since the average period of phone use in these studies was around three years."
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Hi, Interesting thoughts. I don't agree or disagree. But, I think EMF symptoms are similar to MCS and symtoms from fluorescent lights,etc...
I had all of these symptoms and they are much improved. Of course I noticed first improvement with MCS. Now, improvement with fluorescent lights and buzzing boxes in stores.
I believe that lyme heightens our senses and lowers a threshold that causes these symptoms. I also believe that it will someday go away with treatment.
I wont believe that my lyme will never go away! There is always hope. I conquered a major part of my illness and will conquer the rest of it.
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quote:Originally posted by spookydew:
I believe that lyme heightens our senses and lowers a threshold that causes these symptoms. I also believe that it will someday go away with treatment.
One herbalist told me that our immune systems act like force-fields. When they are down, we literally have trouble keeping things outside, bugs, unhealthy energies, even emotions of other people (not good if they are negative). I am much less sensitive now (except to cell phones) as I have gotten healthier.
I also don't think all energy is bad. There are healthy and unhealthy frequencies. I think Rife falls under the healthy frequency side. But initially, it may not feel like it.
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Read Becker's book carefully you will see that regeneration occurs with DC microcurrents. The amperage is very low and current can be pulsed or non-pulsed. In humans, it is now being now to accelerate healing of fractures and certain wounds. Sounds like Star-Trek doesn't it! So DC microcurrrents for healing and increasing ATP in cells and a bunch of other good things. The KMT machine does this.
OK, for the killing side, we want AC current, and higher strength fields. Most Rife machines use AC current, as Edison would say the executioner's current. Because AC was more effective in electic chairs, than DC. That is why it is effective killing bacteria. Now being in a EM field DOES cause the body stress. For example: http://www.healthy-house.co.uk/allergy/electromagnetic_stress.php
So the fields by themselves, regardless of frequencey, will cause us stress. AC fields are worse than DC in my opinion. Gigi had some great posts on this.
Lets talk alittle about frequency. The houses in the US use 60 hertz. Berker's book makes a strong case that is frequency is hard on us, so the further we stay away from microwaves, computers, hairdryers, anything that has a strong field associated with it, the better.
With rifing, you are subjected to the Electromagnetic stress and the effect of the bacteria die-off. The EM stress goes away after 1-2 hours, the die off, that is the herx, can last 1-3 days, but is usually gone after 2 days. The more you sweat & exercise, the quicker the toxins will leave the body, and the better you will feel.
There is a LOT more to this of course. but it is a book!
Hope this helps, Ernie
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"A few animal studies, however, have suggested that low levels of RF could accelerate the development of cancer in laboratory animals. However, many of the studies that showed increased tumor development used animals that had been genetically engineered or treated with cancer-causing chemicals so as to be pre-disposed to develop cancer in the absence of RF exposure. Other studies exposed the animals to RF for up to 22 hours per day. These conditions are not similar to the conditions under which people use wireless phones, so we don't know with certainty what the results of such studies mean for human health."
First of all, we all are treated by cancer-causing chemicals by virtue of the great American diet. Secondly, we all are exposed to EMFs 24 hours a day from all directions (not just cell phones), as opposed to 22. You're right though - the animals actually received LESS EMFs than the average human in that case, so it cannot be duplicated.
My ex-husband just had a brain tumor removed. He was a heavy cell phone user - greater than 3 years of use, though I don't remember exactly how many years. But how many people with cell phones give them up before the 3 year point? Nobody does. Nobody wants to give them up UNTIL the proof is there - and it is! And still, until we have a whole world sitting here with one huge brain tumor, we have an industry counting on our stupidity to wait for the results to come in.
If you have Lyme Disease and are still willing to trust a big business, I find that scary.
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spookydoo - My sensitivities are not going away - then again, they let my liver go screaming on me. I'm still hopeful though.
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Ernie - I was concerned about using Rife. In fact, I think some frequencies fall in the 20 or 27 hz range. Are these safe? I'm not sure I trust EMF at all.
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Tailz, I do believe that there are a number of things in our modern world that are causing us to become more vulnerable to pathogens, and EMFs are one of the culprits.
I don't want to rain on your parade of returning to Nature, but I'm afraid it's not possible to go backward. The reason is that there are now too many people.
Just one example: If everyone in this country resorted to using ``fire'' instead of traditional heating systems that require electricity, within a week, the sky would be black with the smoke of everything from wood to coal to dung. That's what they used to burn to make heat in the good old days.
We would just be substituting one health problem in order to solve another.
And we can't all move to Mexico City, where they need neither heat nor air conditioning.
I think the answers lie in knowledge. If we can create the devices/ substances that cause unnatural vulnerability, then we can create devices/substances to block, antidote or nullify these harmful effects.
And as long as there is money to be made in doing so, somebody will do it. But FIRST we have to know there are problems! And that seems to be the real trick at this point - getting accurate information.
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Tailz, You are absolutley correct! Our body uses frequencies about 50 hertz and below and especially 25 hertz and below.
It is best not to rife with frequencies below 50 hertz. Doug of the Doug coil did describe killing Bb at 27 hertz (visual verification with a microscope and Bb on a slide) however, since you can also kill them at 306 & 612 hertz, why risk problems with 27 hertz.
In fact, with the coil at 20 hertz with a 100 gauss field by your eyes, one will experience bright flashes of light. It only happened once it me, and I assure you, I will never do that again.
I feel you can rife rife safely, just stay away from the low frequencies.
Hope this helps! Ernie
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Tracy - see, that's just it. Nobody has any faith that it would work. I know I'd rather smell wood in a fireplace than some of the smog I drive through on a hot summer day. All this pollution (electromagnetic and otherwise) is CAUSING the climate to change. We'd probably have better temperatures and weather patterns if we would be willing to go back in time.
"I think the answers lie in knowledge. If we can create the devices/ substances that cause unnatural vulnerability, then we can create devices/substances to block, antidote or nullify these harmful effects."
Why does it seem easier and more feasible to me to go back in time than to do the above? There's no way we will be able to nullify everything we are doing to life and this planet if we keep going on like we are.
Ernie - thank you! I wasn't sure which frequencies were semi-safe to use. I'm still trying to do most of this without electricity if at all possible (especially after reading about EMFs), bumping in some CoQ10 and for some reason Welch's Grape Juice (this is supposed to help the liver). It has lots of vitamin C, and I drank almost a gallon of it today alone!
But see, right there should tell us that earth's frequencies alone can get rid of any spirochete. It's all the electromagnetic pollution being generated on top of what nature provides that is messing with this natural ability.
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