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Hey all, I have several extended family members who have had success in relieving health issues they have with a Rife Machine. They sent me a bunch of links and suggested that I get one and use it for the Lyme. From the links and research it looks intriguing, but I'm hesitant 'cause I don't want to be scammed and it costs so much--but I guess considering the cost of ABX and all the naturopathic stuff I've got it's not that different. Anybody here know more about this?
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For me rifing made a big difference, where abx only helped moderately. I would not think of one or the other but rather using a combination. For the 1st 2 yrs I was on abx, then switched to rife only for about 3 years, then have used abx selectively to go after specific co-infections.
Am working full time and feeling very good.
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I use what I call a low power "Doug Coil" Combined with natural antibiotics. I did not have one sick day last year.
I used to have migraines and diziness to where I could not stand up. One treatment on the "Doug Coil" and I was convinced that it was the best treatment device there is!
All you need is a frequency generator program for your computer (they can be downloaded for free).
Next you need a 100 watt audio power amplifier (200 watts or more is recomended). Like what rock groups use but some home stereos have enough power.
Last you need a TV degaussing coil from Radio Shack or wherever. I removed my first coil from an old computer monitor.
Connect it all together and set the frequency to 305 or 610 Hz and fire it up! If you hold the coil near a monitor or TV you should see the picture shake from the field.
Some have reported good results by just taking a degaussing coil and plugging it into an outlet!
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The coil needs to be connected to the output of the amplifier instead of the epeakers. Most amplifiers can handle the coil with no problems.
If you make your own coil out of 12 or 14 gague wire you will need a QSC or other amplifier that can drive 1 or 2 ohms.
Degaussing coils are in monitors, TV's and are available at most electronics stores.
You place the coil over where it hurts and the pain goes away in just a few minutes.
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I've been reading your posts with great interest. Antibiotics haven't helped me at all. I am thinking of rife now. Bob, your description of putting together a machine is the first one that seems do-able for me. I'm technically-challenged so I'd really like to buy something already made but they cost a fortune!
What rife machines are you folks using? Bob, is your setup a Coil or Doug machine?
Laura
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I've been reading your posts with great interest. Antibiotics haven't helped me at all. I am thinking of rife now. Bob, your description of putting together a machine is the first one that seems do-able for me. I'm technically-challenged so I'd really like to buy something already made but they cost a fortune!
What rife machines are you folks using? Bob, is your setup a Coil or Doug machine?
Laura
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You can find used rife machines rather easily. As a matter of fact, someone PM'd me about wanting to sell theirs.
Send me a PM if you'd like their name.
You don't have to spend a ton of money on rifing. And yes, it's WAY cheaper than dr's appointments and meds and all the hassles of taking abx.
I WOULD NOT advocate rifing as the first line of attack....though some do.
I didn't begin rifing until I'd been on abx 4+ yrs.
I've been off abx for one full year now!!!! Sept is my anniversary!
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Hi jggrl
I am one of the people that rife wasn't my first choice.
It took 3 years of abx and treating co's to get my germ load down to a reasonable level.
Now I rife only, mainly because my stomach gave out. I have a EMEM3D non contact device from rife labs. It is fairly easy to use. Very similar to Dan Tracys machine.
I haven't been on abx for 5-6 months now and so far so good. Is it that I got my germ load down & thats holding the lyme? Or is it the rife machine that is keeping the lyme down?
But this is the first time I have gone this long without abx in 9 years without a major neuro relapse.
Is it the rife or the 3 years of tx? That, I would really love to know for sure.
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The setup I use could be called a "Low power Doug Coil". However it works almost as good as a Doug Coil! Remember "Doug" used a much smaller coil and a lot less power to see the bacteria being killed under a microscope!
Here's why - I have measured the output magnetic field strength with a pickup coil attached to an ocilliscope. The normal degaussing coil (usually about 250 to 500 feet of 22 or 20 gague wire) with an amplifier delivering 120 volts peak to peak produces a very strong field, it is designed to do that.
I wound my own coils using 14 gague enameled and 12 gague insulated wire according to the Doug coil designs. It takes much more power to get the same field strength out of these coils! In fact you need over 250 volts peak to peak and hence 4 times the power output (doubling the voltage quadruples the power in watts) of the amplifier to get the same field strength.
The Doug coil can only work with an amplifier capable of delivering 250 volts, that is usually what is called "Bridged" mode, where two amplifiers are run 180 degrees out of phase to opposite ends of the coil. Another method of increasing the drive voltage is to add a series tuned capacitor. These capacitors have to handle over 250 volts and be tuned to the correct frequency.
A properly tuned Doug coil does have more power than a degaussing coil, but is it worth the cost and work? A neat thing about a working Doug coil is that if you take a 3 to 5 inch aluminum platter from a hard drive and drop into the center of the coil it stands up on end!
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I'm reading these posts, and there is no way I will handle years of abx. I've had diarrhea constantly, so my nutrition is compromised like I'm having food reactions again. And my teeth are becoming discolored from the Rocephin. They stain easily.
I'm going to follow through with my 90 bags of Rocephin, but I'm hoping by then my Rife Machine will be here. I ordered one from Mr. Tracy. I've heard good things about his machines, and he is a joy to talk to. He knows his stuff.
Please - someone tell me I CAN do Rife alone. Dr. S. won't even try me on orals with all the driving I do even when I'm herxing the whole way there and back, and he has many 'return infusors'. I don't want to be one of them.
Driving home yesterday, I was sitting in the left lane on 202 - ready to make a left turn with a big "no turns" sign over my head - I got honked at. I felt like such an idiot. I keep wanting to throw a sign up on my car that reads, "Yes, I know I can't drive, but YOUR doctor doesn't care if I kill you with my Lyme driving."
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I haven't take any antibiotics since I was diagnosed with Lyme two years ago. Rife has been critical in my healing. The herxes were horrible in the spring. Today I surprised myself with how much I accomplished and this new happiness and sense of looking forward to things that has been missing for a while. A long time.
I have used herbs along with rife to intially lower the lyme bacterial load and to treat Babesia, parasites, and viruses.
So yes, it can be done without antibiotics.
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Ohhh - thank you, Serendipity. As soon as my Rife gets here, I so want this picc line out and to not be tied to driving 2-4 hours each way.
I was so worried I'd need the abx along with the Rife to recover. You gave me HOPE that I can do this without killer abx!
I have been using tons of herbs already, along with oral EDTA. Some improvement even when I couldn't infuse for 3 weeks while my liver enzymes were sky high, but some horrible herxes, too! I hope the herxes die down some. But recovery makes me want to have one huge herx sometimes and get it over with.
I'm definitely counting the days to my Rife!
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"Today I surprised myself with how much I accomplished and this new happiness and sense of looking forward to things that has been missing for a while. A long time."
AWESOME, Keep hanging in there, it really is a great feeling!
Tailz - You can get there, it isn't the easiest way to better health but with lots of patience and determination it will happen. More and more people are using this treatment to get better. It's not the only thing I did but it was and still is the most beneficial. Do not forget to do PLENTY of detox.
All My Best, Scott
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Thanks Scott! You gave me encouragement when I was doubting. So I hung in there.
Tailz, I used Cumanda and now Banderol, both from Nutramedix, for lyme and coinfections. I had no problem tolerating either with much support and detoxification.
Keep us posted on your progress.
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You're welcome, it was my pleasure and you're doing a wonderful job of passing it on! If we keep passing it on, sooner or later we will all be better.
All My Best, Scott
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I could not handle the herxes I got after rifing. I tried to stick with it for several months and just felt worse every time.
Bryan's book recommends sticking with it thorugh the initial herx cycles. If you can, then by all means do it.
My experience was not a positive one. Others have done quite well. Be prepared to feel pretty crummy at first, if you are very sick.
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Alot of people mentioned using the rife machine when not taking abx. Can you use the rife while you are ON abx??
Progress is slow for my daughter. She was doing really well in the late summer/early fall. Now alot of symptoms are flaring or returning.
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Rifing should not be combined with antibiotics. Antibiotics drive Lyme into the protective cyst form which cannot be destroyed by the Rife machine.
A Rife machine is thought to work only on the spirochette form of Lymes. So, you do not want to spook it into dormancy.
After using Samento and Cumanda (Big thanks to Klutzo) until it was not effective any more we bought a Rife machine. It has kept my wife's Lyme symptoms to a minimim. We are hoping to be rid of it all together with continued treatments and time.
Rifing will usually make you feel better after you have killed a majority of the spirochette form of the bacteria. Of course, that will vary depending on the level of infection, individual reactions and physiology. My wife had already eliminated much of the Lymes using Samento and Cumanda but she still had some nasty herxes for a few weeks from the Rife machine. After about a month she felt much better and is usually symptom free.
Rife is all we use now. Nothing seems to work better with less known risk.
D Bergy
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Hi, Thank you for the encouraging story. It is in some ways similar to mine. I initially lowered my lyme and coinfection load with Cumanda followed by Banderol, with a period of artemesinin treatment.
A few months after I began Cumanda I started rifing. The herxes and subsequent improvements were more pronounced.
So far I have been using the EMEM and a friend's PERL. Occassionally a HPMH from Rob Allen, which I should use more given the herxes which are both different from the other machines and at this time more severe. So it seems to getting at something the other machines aren't.
If I had the funds, I would invest in a PPET from Rife for Life or a prebuilt Dough Coil.
Do you mind sharing with us which machine your wife is using along the frequency and duration of her sessions.
And I agree, rife is a great option in that it works wiht seemingly minimal complications and risks.
Thanks
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Hello,
We bought a used GB-4000 with amplifier. It is the only device we own presently.
We use the Lymes frequency sets that came preprogrammed with the machine. These sets are fairly close to the ones contained in the CAFL for Lymes.
The GB-4000 runs up to eight frequencies at a time which we run for five minutes per frequency set. I also try frequencies from other sources but many do not seem to have any effect. My wife is really sensitive to the frequencies so she will feel joint pain or other discomfort to the frequencies that seem to be hitting bacteria.
We have also run frequencies for Babesia and just yesterday Bartonella. Unfortunatly, she also has reaction to both of these coinfections. Sometimes I will sneak in a frequency that is unrelated to Lymes and she cannot feel it so I am sure she is actually feeling the effective ones. When I run them on myself I feel absolutly nothing.
When we run individual frequencies we only run them for two minutes per frequency.
We usually keep the total session to about an hour or hour and a half. We are trying to treat at least once a week but sometimes it goes two or three weeks and then her joints will start to ache again.
How do you use that HPMP? I have heard from alot of people that swear by it.
D Bergy
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You should see some results in the first couple of weeks, but remember, at first the herx is strong, so you will feel wiped out the day after rifing, so you must detox with a sauna, chlorella and exercise. Get sweating, get oxygen in your system and get the blood moving.
When I started rifing, I first weaned my self off abx, that took about a month of doing both and decreasing the abx and increasing the rife sessions. My goal was to have minimal Lyme issues at work, so st first I would rife right after work 2-3 times a week to keep the brain tingling at bay. Within 4 -6 weeks(about), I was rifing once a week. I was using the B-3 plus amp(now called the GB-4000 (like D Bergy)and the doug coil. These 2 machines are a powerful combination.
"How frequently do you do the rife sessions now?"
I still rife about once a week.
Do you know other folks who have tried rife with good results for lyme? Yes, Bryan Kerner (Lyme/Rifebook) and Doug of the doug coil, are two excellent examples of people who have gotten better using rife machines.
I am going to post this reply also on my Kilimanjaro note, since it is important for Lyme folks to see what can be done with rife.
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Hi Bergy, I haven't had the chance to use the HPMP pulser as much as I'd like. I use the EMEM or PERL about two or three times a week for frequencies that my LLMD has given me, leaving me little opportunity to use the HPMP.
So far I have been using the HPMP for about 40 - 50 minutes per session, usually on the abdominal area and the extremeties. I worry about placing it close to the heart, head or spine. Although I have been told that it is safe and effective to use it in these areas. I haven't added a second battery as Robb Allen (who created the machine) thought lenght of time was more important than power. After I can tolerate an hour session he suggested getting a second battery.
I do believe the machine is effective, I have had some of my worse herxeheimers from the machine. I just have to find time in my treatment to incorporate it.
Robb is a great example- he did not make much progress with other rifes but is in a complete remission after using the HPMP, ozone saunas, and silver. The other treatment wich he recommended was salt and vitamin C, which I plan to incorporate soon. I have tried it and seem to tolerate it and even feel better on it due to the adrenal support.
I'm glad your wife is making progress. Are you using other adjunct treatments such as ozone or infrared saunas?
Thanks
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God, I wish my lyme brain could even understand all of this rife information. I have no idea what you are all talking about. Posts: 867 | From PA | Registered: Jan 2006
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Hello Serendipity,
Other than the GB-4000, the only thing my wife does is take a capsule of Ginger and a good multivitamin.
It seems to work well and is fairly easy so we stick with it. If it quits working, we will have to look into adding to the treatment. But, so far so good.
We will be adding a Doug Coil as I think it would penetrate areas that the GB-4000 does not. My son is going to build it as soon as I get the instructions.
D Bergy
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Just a Reminder, don't over rife! No more than 1-2 hrs max, and less on a strong machine, then give your body time to detox, and for you to get rid of that herz.... usually 48 hours.
To help the detoxing, the key is to get exercise, sweat in a sauna or thru exercise, drink lost of fluids and take chlorella if you have some.
Rifing is hard on your system, you are putting thru a lot of electomagnetic stress, so you want to give your body time to recover.
Also, for those new to rife, I would not rife immediately before bed, it may keep you up( or least it does me). I try to rife early in the day. Hope this helps, Ernie
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You have asked a dangerous question, because everyone has their favorites AND the machines are changing all the time.
My dream machine would be a programable plasma device, with a wide frequecy range like a beam ray. These are great machines, but I didn't think the early ones were powerful enough. In the last year, they have come out with a double tube version. These new machines would do the trick (I think- have not tried it yet) but are also very expensive( +5,000: I don't know the exact cost).
The EMEM devices are also very good, but are not so strong, so you might have to use a little longer sessions.
The doug coil is a strong device, but will go up to only ~2000 hertz, so it has a limited frequency range. But works great for Lyme.
That leaves us with the pad devices like the GB-4000. These machines are strong and have a wide frequency range. They are very simple to use. I started off with a B-3 + amp, and a doug coil, but use the B-3 mostly since it was so easy. I made a lot of progress with it. So I know they work well.
So there are no easy choices, and there are many machines out there I have never tried. But I have owned the major machine types and they all seem to work. The Plasma devices tend to be weaker but safer. The Pad devices and the doug coil are stronger, so you don't want to over do it at first.
If I had to pick one, and I didn't want to build one, it would be a used B-3+ amp or a GB-4000+ amp to start, it is strong and programable (easy to use). My second choice would be a stronger, programable plasma device of your choice.
Ernie
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I can vouch for the GB-4000. It works well and is fairly easy to use and is programable for additional frequency sets. It also can be used as a function generator for a plasma device if you wish to add that option later.
D Bergy
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I have used the KMT, the Perl, and the GB4000 and continue to do so. I am hopeful that they will be able to support me when I stop ABX later this year and help to avoid any relapses.
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I think you will do fine with just the Rife. I would expect a boomerang effect once the ABX is clear of your system. The spirochetes should be out in force.
I hope you can get the upper hand right away. After that it is just a matter of sticking to your routine. Sounds like you have everything you could need.
I hope you post your results. I always learn something useful from other Rife users.
Good Luck
D Bergy
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I am using natural herbs( Cumanda, Banderol, etc) so far. I have not tried abx. I am very interested in purchasing a Rife machine. I used one for several weeks and felt it helped. I had to drive or more like it, my husband drove me, an hour each way.
So where is the best place to purchase a Rife once one figures out which kind to buy? I am also not very technical and neither is my husband so it would have to be prebuilt.
Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by pawprints: So where is the best place to purchase a Rife once one figures out which kind to buy? I am also not very technical and neither is my husband so it would have to be prebuilt.
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