stymielymie
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my dogs have never had fleas in 10 years. now with the warm winter in florida. the fleas are rampant, and i can't kill them
i use frontline plus. got them cut and dipped fleas collars sprayed flea spray on house surfaces. sprayed dogs with solution of borax, fleas die from borates. next step is bomb and another flea dip.
to boot i got my carpets out from up north and they had moths in them. ate half the carpets in 1 years. now have moth balls in garage and blasting\ the other carpets with it.
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Call Flea Busters they use non toxic stuff that works for a year or they come back and treat again for free.
Did I mention I was badly bitten by Fleas at the Hoilday Inn Express in Mill Valley.
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Been reaeding alot about k-9 advantage plus. It's supposed to get repell fleas & ticks where as frontline doesn't really repeal all that well.
I have taken my dogs in the past in for a flea dip at the grommers. It works to kill them what's on the dog. But a follow-up of either frontline or k-9 would help.
In Fl we used pest-X. A company that comes into your home to get rid of infectations after we fostered a friends cat who turned out to have fleas. The pest-x people put white salt powder all over the house. It did get rid of the infestation. It dehydrates the fleas & they died in mass numbers.
But boy what a mess to vacum up after the fleas where gone. It is a natural alternative to fogging or tenting the house with pestisides.
Hope this helps
blessings Dana
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docdave, there's no doubt about it. Pay for me to fly to Florida, come to your home and when I leave every last flea will be on me. You're flea free. lol
I can go into anyone's home and if their pet has one flea, it will jump off the animal, stay and feed on my for hours.
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Ditto for me re ONE flea in a house will bite me!!!
The secret to getting rid of fleas is...
VACUUMING!!!
The flea eggs will stay in carpet and you will keep getting re-infested unless you haev avery good vacuuM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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stymielymie
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the white powder you though was salt was probably boric acid powder. it dessimates the fleas and leaves them all ovet the house.
it seems they mulitple quicker than you can kill them. you kill them one day the next day they are back
think i'll get some advantage this time. the advantage pill did not work however. they said 4 hours and they all would be dead.
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Since you told me how to pull a tooth cowboy style,,,I will give you GREAT flea fighting instuctions(or any other bugs for THAT matter!!)
You get a brick, place flea on brick. Find another brick. Wham them together and presto,,,no more flea,,,repeat as needed till ALL fleas have been bricked,,,see,,,how easy you can solve???...you ask such a 'simple' question!!!
If it doesnt work quite perfectly,,,go to off topic and reread your post re: blondes there,,,maybe even hire one to do the JOB for ya!!!
When all else fails I would buy a wittle teeny bottle of Tempo SE and spray down the whole interior ever time I saw one in there. Mix it thick. No muss, no fuss, no smell,,its made from geranium flowers, me thinks. Kills most other bugs,should fleas too. JUST dont spray it directly on your lunch or dinner, everything else is okay!! Even labeled inside resturants,has to be good for THAT!! Caution,,,may NOT kill rats tho!!!
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Raid tick bombs work very good--- get the one that says kills eggs for 4 months--
diaotomatichos earth (spelling) kills flees by cutting them and it works ok but makes a mess--
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I am a certified operator in florida. There is a product called precore (purchse at do it yourself pest control stores only) which is a hand held aresol which kills the adults and eggs. Once the carpet is dry, vacuum daily for 3-4 days, emptying the container or throwing away the bags because any chance survivors are caught up and will hatch out in the bag and be put back down by the beater bar roller.
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Ok. Now for the effective and non-toxic approach.
To kill the current fleas in carpet, put diatenaceous earth (probably not spelled right) in the carpet. Rub it in real good and leave for 7 days. (Where a mask. This is crushed seashells. They work by slicing the insect in two. You don't want it in your lungs) You don't need a lot. Just dust your carpet and rub it in real good. (you don't want your pets breathing it either)
For the dogs, feed them a product called Bugcheck. You can purchase it on the internet from a vet in TN (I don't work for him nor represent him in any way. I am a customer only) www.thenaturalvet.net
This stuff works the best and it is healthy for your dog. It will keep down worms too. The dogs seem to like it. I sprinkle it on their food and no one has ever refused it.
I am always flea free. If anyone has horses, it is also good for keeping down the black flies and makes the horses coats real shiny.
I was given a poodle. She came infested with fleas. I bathed her in a natural flea shampoo (really any good sudsy shampoo will kill fleas as they drown real easy.)I started her on the bugcheck and never saw another flea. That was 5 yrs ago.
This stuff works and it is safe.
Sprinkle diatenaceous earth around the perimeter of your house (outside) and it will keep most insects out. Spiders are an exception because they have long legs that keep them higher off the ground. Ticks die with this stuff.
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I use ADVANTIX for our girl... Not a flea, tick, mosquito... She was bit by a brown recluse last year, but the box doesn't claim to protect against them, and she's fine now, so it's all gravy...
We had a huge flea problem while we were using Frontline... Brand new apartment, not sure if the little buggers came with it, or not, but I am seriously allergic, and they think I am tasty.
I bought a respirator at Home Depot, and emptied the pesticide aisle... Thank goodness we had minimal furniture, or I probably would have burnt it...
Sprayed the carpets with the flea spray, waited 10-15mins then created a "snowstorm" effect with the powder... Covered the carpet completely. Then, I put not one, but two, bombs in each room, locked the door, dropped the furry one at the groomers, and didn't return for 8 hours.
Repeated the process the next 2 days, and we haven't seen a flea in the 2 years we've lived here...
That powder isn't very fun to get out of the carpet.
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There is a pill called capstar....you can usually get it
At a local pet store....or vet...not Rx strength.
One pill will kill all of the fleas on the dogs.
However, I usually back that up with Advantix which can be reapplied every two weeks.
The advantix (kills ticks too!!!) is normally used every four weeks.
I have one 20lb dog allergic to fleas. Just one will cause him to itch until he scratches
himself raw.. Vet said reapply every two weeks during active flea season.
Vacuum, vacuum, vacuum....
Make sure you change the bag, or clean the vacuum following every time.
Fleas can and do multiply in vacuum cleaners as well.
Hugs,
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www.Healthy Home.com do have a product called CM PowderGard (item #2003) which works like diatomaceous earth, but is a combination of powdered limestone and mint.
A light dusting in corners, on floors and furniture and pet bedding, and in cracks and crevices can help control flea problems.
If using for fleas, they recommend either the 12 oz puffer or the 3 lb bucket.
Take care.
P.S. Those with mosquito problems, may want to look at \the Garlic liquid which they carry.
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You live in Florida and you don't know this? Oh, I forgot...you just moved here.
SALT.
Get your dog in the ocean! You will be blown away at how effective this is. My nephew used to live in Jacksonville and would take his dog to the beach and let him romp in the ocean for a "free" flea bath. Really.
Sprinkle salt on your carpet, wait, and then vacuum up to rid fleas.
Moths...
Before replacing the carpet, lightly dust the underside with boric acid powder, paying special attention to protected areas which will lie beneath furniture. In heavy infestations, the carpet may need to be removed and professionally cleaned and treated.
Boric acid is sprayed down here (Florida)onto wall studs to prevent termites too.
It is very poisonous. Careful.
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we do not have any beaches that allow dogs down here.
gigi: do they have a 20 lb bucket!!!!!!
i used to use sevin dust i don't know what is in it but killed on contact with dogs and cats. and is fine powder so it can be vacuumed easily in the carpet
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You can bathe your dog in salt water...just add natural sea salts to water when you bathe him in the tub or in your laundry sink.
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Use an IGR (insect growth regulator). This is the best and it is non-toxic.
The IGR will not kill adult fleas. For that you will have to use permethrin (definately toxic) or use some of the suggested non-toxic options given above. Just depends how fast you need to get rid of the adults.
When I lived in Florida I had such a bad infestation that I had no time to deal with diamatecous earth. I was being eaten alive. I hate chemicals but had no choice. I sprayed and stayed at a friends for a few days before returning.
After killing the adults, you must vacuum well then used the IGR's. Precor inside and Nylar outside. Nylar lasts longer for outside application.
After doing this I never saw another flea on my property. IGR's are the best!!!!
hope this helps,
robi
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Warning!! to everyone
Our lovely neighbors who had lived there for many years sharing many happy hours with us over time also had fleas via their dog.
They finally had the house covered and "bombed" or whatever you call this stuff. They stayed away for the required period.
Within a couple three years, first, the dog died. Then about 3 years later, the man of the house died - without any great health problems until then.
The daughter who had come on and off to stay at their house also, died a few years later.
The wife started to become demented. The next dog they acquired shortly after the first dog died to keep her company, died next. And our lovely neighbor is now in an assisted living home.
At the end, she used to come over with her can of dogfood in one hand, the can opener in the other, and though she had probably opened a couple thousand cans over time, she asked me to show her how to open the can with the can opener.
The house was sold.
Please be careful with all this toxic stuff you have been talking about. You will be paying the bill yourself still years later. If you are like everybody else with a chronic ailment, you are already toxic from many of these products. I haven't met a patient yet that didn't have to be detoxed for a whole array of these type of toxins. And without detoxing it and getting it out of the body, it's pretty difficult to get well.
Take care.
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I say this with having german shepherd dogs for 15 years, and I honestly can't remember if I heard this somewhere, or thought it up myself!
With whatever you use, after you use it to get rid of fleas in the house, and you find yourself vacuuming the fleas up (dead or alive), if you have a vacuum cleaner bag as a part of your vacuum, take the vacuum cleaner bag out (I'm assuming you have a small one) and put the vaccum cleaner bag INSIDE A ZIP-LOCK BAGGIE. Do this everytime, after you vacuum. It will become routine after a few times, and you'll just do it automatically. It's a bit of a pain, but it's really only one more step.
I did yet another unscientific test (I'm good for those and found that I could pretty much keep my house flea free(or close to, the fleas ride in on pets, and some jump right off into your carpet shortly after coming in the house, are prego, lay eggs, and then you've got 3000 or 5000 new baby fleas jumping around!) If I did this!
I also checked my zip lock baggie before I was going to throw it away (with full vacuum cleaner bag inside!) and I found dead fleas on the bottom of the zip lock baggie. Telling me that yes, fleas can and do jump out of that vacuum cleaner bag, whether it's inside the zip lock baggie, or in your vacuum cleaner, and they will jump/climb right back out into your carpet!!!!
I continue to do this to this day, because we have had my sons friends come over to play/visit, and I find that occasionally, I will have a flea jump on me, when I'm somewhere else in the house, away from the kids friends. It took me awhile to put 2 and 2 together, but fleas will travel on clothes on people who have pets, and they will jump right off wherever. If that wherever is YOUR house, and you have NO animals inside that could be giving you the fleas, then you assume that fleas can travel, and man, when they set up house, you need to do some vacuuming asap.
Fleas love me. Just love me, say HERE SHE COMES, JULIE THE MEAT WAGON! And I get bites while half my other population in this house do not.
Spraying, and powdering are all well and good, but when you've got to get rid of the fleas, if some arent' dead yet, they will repopulate (nothing like good ole flea sex) just takes a few to make a bunch. So VACUUM!!! and then vacuum again. And each and every time you're done vacuuming, stick that bag inside a zip lock baggie, and I guarantee it, you will reduce your flea load by so much more than you realize. Remember, I did this for 15 YEARS when I had (2) 90 german shepherd dogs, and all I had to combat the fleas with was a monthly bath, Sevin or Dursban sprayed in my yard, and vaccumming. I never sprayed the inside of my house, had issues with asthma back then, and it would've killed me.
You run thru some zip lock baggies, but I think it's worth it in the long run. If you ever think you may have ticks coming in the house, this is just as mind reassuring as vacuuming up the fleas and keeping them prisoner in the vaccum cleaner bag. I'm sure ticks could find a way to crawl out of the vacuum cleaner bag, once vaccumed up, too. Sigh. Please, just tell me heaven is worry free, and I can relax a bit. I'll still vacuum, but it won't be because I think I'm gonna get bit by some damn flea/tick and get sick again!
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The only other thing I would suggest if it is at all possible is to get rif of your carpets. We did that 7 years ago & put in one sheet like linoleum. Carpets really tend to give the fleas a perfect environment to thrive in~ and other insects as well. It has helped alot.
We now have that threw most of the house except out bedroom. Someday I would like that taken out too.
It looks alot like pergo floors~ I believe the full name is "blond oak laminate." It's laid in one big sheet. Got it ordered at home depot.
We have a few area rugs down for comfort...but these can be taken up & fumagated & cleaned ect..
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I posted about a very GOOD product which also happens to be SAFE and HEALTHY for your pet and not a one of you even responded!!!!!!
Sorry, but yes I am a little miffed. GiGi is so right about the hazards of all the bombs, sprays and dips you guys talk about.
Just read the warning on any bottle of dog dip. You are warned to wear gloves, protective clothing, mask and goggles to protect your eyes. And you DRENCH YOUR DOG IN THIS STUFF????
Do him a favor and give him to a better home.
BTW, I am a PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED DOG GROOMER who owned her own grooming business for many years. I not only attended school to learn the trade but also attended seminars annually. I am not speaking from ignorance.
Forgive me please for spouting off. But I'm not just full of dog doodoo.
Luvs
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PS: Not only do we never see a flea on our dogs but we don't seem to have them in the yard either. I guess they don't hang around where there is no meal to be had.
Once again, the product I am speaking of is called Bugcheck. www.thenaturalvet.net. No relation to me.
The D.E. is to help you get rid of your current infestation. You won't need it again once the B.C. has time to take effect.
Luvs
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Just read the warning on any bottle of dog dip. You are warned to wear gloves, protective clothing, mask and goggles to protect your eyes. And you DRENCH YOUR DOG IN THIS STUFF????
OK, wait... If you look at majority of material Safety Data Sheets, they suggest you wear protection when handling virtually anything... In fact, Germ-X hand sanitizer suggests "Natural Rubber, butyl, or neoprene gloves and apron. Chemical resistan safety shoes. And chemical safety googles."
How are you supposed to sanitize your hands with gloves on???
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AP
It has been said you should not put anything on your skin that you would not put in your mouth because you absorb it.
This is currently being demonstrated by a new soap that within 5 mins of its use will give you the equivelent of 2 cups caffiene all absorbed through the skin.
So would you drink dog dip? Luvs
I forgot to add that the warning label tells you only to use it in a well ventilated area because it can damage your lungs if you inhale it (dog dip). So is your poor dog supposed to hold his breath? Since the instructions tell you to dip and leave on the dog, he will have to hold his breath for however long it takes his coat to dry.
And be sure and tell him not to lick himself.
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I belive IGR's are non-toxic. I don't want to be contrary, just informative. IGR's are hormones.
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luvs & robi thanks for the links
Luvs does the bug check work on ticks too?
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Bugcheck does not work as well for ticks. I live on a farm where the dogs can run in fields and streams and I only rarely pull a tick off so it may really help keep the number down, but not as completely as with the fleas.
AP, I'm not freaking out. I'm telling the truth and offering a much safer and much more effective alternative for you and your pet.
It is a lot easier to use too. You just sprinkle a small amount 1/4 tsp for small dogs, 1/2 tsp for med dogs and 1 tsp for large dogs once daily on their food. They seem to love the taste.
Fleas are not hard to kill. They are easy to kill. Just hold your pet in water up to his head and watch how fast all the fleas climb to his face and up your arm. Fleas drown whether the water is salty or not.
The trick with fleas is getting them out of your environment. I used to tell my customers "Treat your dog gently and your environment harshly" but after my dog developed severe allergies, I began to treat my environment gently as well.
When I discovered Bugcheck, my life got tons easier and as I said earlier, not only do the dogs have no fleas and the house has no fleas but apparently my yard has no fleas as well since none of us ever seem to pick up a flea.
Simple, simple and safe.
Luvs
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Bathing tip for killing fleas:
Flea shampoos and flea dips are only good for killing the fleas currently on the dog. They do not have a lingering effect. When the dog gets back into the flea infested environment, he will get fleas again.
When you give the flea bath (you can do this with any shampoo that suds well)first make a heavy lather around the neck.
Next immerse the dog in water up to the sudsy neckline and keep him there for at least a minute. You will see the fleas floating in the water as they drown. They cannot move fast enough through the sudsy neckline to escape before drowning.
To keep them from jumping onto you, (all you chemical lovers will like this part) put on long rubber gloves and spray ONLY THE GLOVE with Adams (or any other good brand) flea spray.
Luvs
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and found that I could pretty much keep my house flea free(or close to, the fleas ride in on pets, and some jump right off into your carpet shortly after coming in the house, are prego, lay eggs, and then you've got 3000 or 5000 new baby fleas jumping around!) If I did this!
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