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jaime1978
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Found this on the net...was wondering what some

of you older lymies think of this?

Until now the big problem with Lyme disease was diagnosis. Now, Dr. Joanne Whitaker has invented an apparently 100% reliable test for Lyme disease. Her lab actually tests for the presence of the Borrelia boriensis (the causative organism) itself, not just antibodies to Bb. Her methods also detect the cell wall deficient (CWD) form. Her test is called Q-RIBb for quantitative rapid identification of Bb. The test uses an animal derived antibody to Borrelia boriensis modified to carry a fluorescent molecule. The antibodies attach to both the spirochete form and the CWD form and, under the right color, will light up under a microscope. With this test, Dr. Whitaker not only can detect Lyme directly, but it can be done in only 20 minutes and she can tell you the severity of the infection is by the number of organisms present. Dr. Linda Mattman has confirmed that Dr. Whitaker's test is virtually 100 percent sensitive. It will rarely, if ever, miss a diagnosis. Dr. Mattman checked Dr. Whitaker's work by simultaneously culturing the samples and she found a 100 percent correlation between her lab's detection and Dr. Whitaker's test. Dr. Whitaker's lab can be reached on the internet at www.bowen.org or at 727-937-9077.

Dr. Whitaker's lab also checks for two co-infections associated with tick bites. Babesia is a protozoon, like the malaria organism, and infects red blood cells. Erlichia is a bacteria, fortunately treatable through conventional antibiotics, including the type that treats Bb. It appears that babesia can be eliminated with artemisinin (100 mg three times daily). ( Artemisinin was developed as an anti-malarial.)

Samento is a form of cat's claw from the Peruvian jungle that is superior to typical forms. The beneficial effects of most cat's claw preparations are blunted by the presence of TOA (tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids), which inhibit the real active agents, called POA (pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids). The latter, more favorable compounds are known to modulate and up-regulate the immune system. Many commercially available cat's claw preparations contain up to 80 percent TOA. As little as one percent TOA can reduce POA effectiveness up to 80 percent. In addition, the specific species of TOA-free cat's claw contains considerable quantities of quinovic acid glycosides. These compounds are what the latest generation of quinolone antibiotics (such as Cipro) are based on. The natural compounds provide safe and significant direct antimicrobial effects on Lyme disease.

Treatment with TOA-free cat's claw isn't an instant cure-all. It can take a long treatment process because of the variety of forms of Bb, the long length of time it can exist in the body in the CWD form, and because it can hide out inside cells. It is when they emerge that they are susceptible to white cell attack and elimination. The mature spirochete form is sensitive to attack by antibiotics or the immune system, as well as the improved cat's claw. The organism can lie dormant for months or years after infection. In fact, a 1998 Swiss study showed that only 12.5 percent of Bb positive patients have symptoms. Conventional medicine has grown up thinking bacterial infections can be cured in 10-60 days. They believe that if antibiotics don't cure you, what remains can't be Lyme. That is wrong. This mistaken idea rests on the lack of knowledge about the characteristics of the cell wall deficient form of bacteria.

Three companies currently market the improved cat's claw. Allergy Research Group/Nutricology, which also distributes artemisinin, can be reached at 800-545-9960 or www.nutricology.com. Ask for Prima Una de Gato. Nutramedix's product is called Samento Plus, and is available by calling 561-745-2917 or on the web site: www.nutramedix.com. Farmacopia also carries the product (www.farmacopia.net or 800-896-1484). I don't recommend any other commercially available cat's claw at this time because of the likelihood of TOA content.

A comprehensive strategy to detoxify, replenish nutrition, and strengthen mental/spiritual well being is absolutely essential. Do not rely on TOA-free cat's claw alone for this monster bacteria! Removal of mercury fillings and treatment for heavy metals may be required for best results as well as treatment of underlying conditions, notably chronic (usually undetected) gut wall infection..

A positive Bb test does not necessarily guarantee that the bug is the major cause of your particular problem. It's entirely possible that Bb can be an opportunist, taking advantage of already weakened or damaged tissues. However if Bb is there, you can be sure it is a drag on your health and must be eliminated to achieve complete recovery. In the last six months of operations, Dr. Mattman's lab found only two negative specimens out of 400 patients. One was a man from Germany. The other was a dog. Thus in symptomatic people, the infection rate is astronomically high.

ALS, MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, chronic fatigue, autoimmune disease, and almost every other chronic disease are simply named for their symptoms or discoverer rather than their causes. They do not have to be a death sentence or spell life long chronic suffering. Now you know a major aggravating factor, how to get it diagnosed, and how to treat it.

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ok, just found this one too, and has more info...

this is giving me some real hope here....warning

though...it's a long read, but I think worth it::


Lyme disease and chronic illnesses are completely reversible, thanks to.....

The Incredible Healing Action of One Simple Herb

Dr. Robert Jay Rowen's SECOND OPINION
Vol. XIII, No. 12, December 2003

Larry Powers won the Mr. America competition in 1962 with a huge Hulk-type frame. But 13 years ago, Larry developed all the signs and symptoms of Parkinson's disease and the diagnosis confirmed it.

Larry received the usual medicines and recently had completed eight years of Sinemet, only to experience gradual worsening, typical of PD's progressive course. He was spending a fair amount of time in a wheelchair and, at one point, needed assistance to eat. Then he heard about Lyme and it's connection to Parkinson's.

Knowing the available tests might convince everyone (but him) that he was negative, even while he might be positive, Larry decided to treat himself without testing. Since he couldn't get antibiotics without a prescription, he decided to try a new variety of a herb he had heard about. Within three weeks, he was out of his wheelchair and fishing for 100 - pound tarpon by his Florida home.

It's an amazing story, but it's only one of many I've discovered in the last several months demonstrating the power of this one single herb. And if you suffer from any chronic disease, this herb just might be your answer. Before I tell you what this herb is, though, I need to tell you how you can avoid the problem Larry feared: a false negative test result. It's now possible to diagnose Lyme disease with 100 percent accuracy.

Fortunately, Joanne Whitaker, whom I mentioned last month, has solved the problem of false negatives. Not only has Dr. Whitaker faced her own long-standing chronic Lyme disease from childhood, but she's also a specialist in infectious diseases, hematology/oncology, and has many medical certifications.

Dr. Whitaker has developed what appears to be the most reliable test ever for Lyme disease. Her lab actually tests for the presence of the bug itself, not just the antibodies. And, resting my concerns, she told me that her methods also detect the cell wall deficient (CWD) form. Her test is called Q-RIBb for quantitative rapid identification of Bb (the abbreviation of Lyme disease's scientific name). The test simply uses an antibody to Lyme derived from animals that's modified to carry a fluorescent molecule. The antibodies will attach to both the spirochete form and the CWD form and, under the right color, will light up under a microscope. With this test, Dr. Whitaker not only can detect Lyme directly, but she can do it in only 20 minutes and she can tell you how bad the infection is by the number of bugs present.

Dr. Linda Mattman (also discussed last month) confirmed that Dr. Whitaker's test is virtually 100 percent sensitive. That means it will rarely, if ever, miss a diagnosis. Dr. Mattman checked Dr. Whitaker's work by simultaneously culturing the samples and found a 100 percent correlation between her lab's detection and Dr. Whitaker's test.

Furthermore, Dr. Whitaker's lab also checks for two co-infections associated with tick bites. Babesia is a protozoa, like malaria organism, and infects the red blood cells. Erlichia is a bacteria, fortunately treatable through conventional antibiotics, including the type that treats Bb. It appears that babesia can be eliminated with our old friend artemisinin (100 mg three times daily). After all artemisinin was developed as an antimalarial. (You first read about artemisinin in the April 2002 issue of Second Opinion.)

For years, I've treated chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia, knowing they are both caused by an infection, but not knowing what type of infection. Oxidation therapies, diet improvement, detoxification, nutritional supplements, and the MIHR injectable homeopathics provided dramatic relief to most. However, a recently released preliminary study on a South American herb gives even more help.

Lee Cowden, MD is a Fort Worth cardiologist and one of the most respected names in bioenergetic medicine. He led a small study over 10 weeks on the use of a special type of cat's claw, along with diet, detoxification, and nutrition. His group followed 28 people with documented Lyme disease through conventional antibody testing by Western blot with Igenix Labs. All were ill and "disabled, unemployed, and flat broke from the disease." All of them had "failed conventional therapy."

Fourteen of the participants were left as controls, following their regular regime. Of the 14 that were treated, one had to drop out due to an ovarian tumor. Participants were asked to rate their symptoms at the start and at the end of the study on a sliding scale of 1-10, according to published conventional medicine standards. All 13 remaining got better with an average improvement of 70 percent. Cowden added that those who stopped therapy at the end of the study did worsen, but didn't go back to the debilitating baseline. The worst relapse was still 35 percent better than at the start.

Dr. Cowden described to me some specific cases.

One of the participants was 47 and had visited the Mayo Clinic twice, but was sent home with 30 pounds of weight loss and no hope. There were peripheral nervous system complaints; severe muscle and joint pain; brain fog; inability to remember, focus, concentrate; and alterations in mood. Within six to eight weeks, symptoms were 80 percent improved. Oxycontin (a very strong narcotic) use was cut 80 percent and the subject gained back 30 pounds during the study. Another case involved a 17-year-old female who had suffered from Lyme disease since age three. She was home schooled because she was too weak to attend public schools. She needed help with self care, including dressing, and she used a walker. By the sixth week of the program, she had gone out on her first date, and is currently attending college - on her own!

And here's the case that encouraged Dr. Cowden to conduct the study: He heard the story of a 17-year-old male who had gone from an A student to failing in just a few months. Symptoms first began as emotional changes, followed by flu-like symptoms, achiness, and fatigue. He was on two antibiotics and herbs without improvement when the Samento (the specific cat's claw product) was suggested by his grandmother. He quickly recovered. His neurologist declared it was a "spontaneous remission," having nothing to do with the samento, and dared the grandmother to accomplish the same with his other patients. He sent her 58 of his worst and non-improving patients over the next few months. The average improvement under her care was 35 percent.

Cowden's full program consists of a diet appropriate for the blood type (according to Dr. D'Adamo), dry brush message daily for detoxification, laughter, positive affirmations, magnesium, enzymes and pH balancing - all in the first two weeks. There was a significant improvement with just that. The samento was withheld until the third week, when the subjects were deemed strong enough to withstand the possible Herxheimer (die-off) reaction.

The product name is Prima U�a de Gato (Samento). It's a form of cat's claw from the Peruvian jungle that's superior to typical forms. The beneficial effects of most cat's claw preparations are blunted by the content of TOA (tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids), which inhibit the real active agents, called POA (pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids). The latter, more favorable compounds are known to modulate and up-regulate the immune system. Many commercially available cat's claw preparations contain up to 80 percent TOA. As little as one percent TOA can reduce POA effectiveness up to 80 percent.

In addition, the specific species of TOA-free cat's claw contains considerable quantities of quinovic acid glycosides. These compounds are what the latest generation of quinolone antibiotics (such as Cipro) are based on. The natural compounds provide safe and significant direct antimicrobial effects on Lyme disease.
Treatment with TOA-free cat's claw isn't an overnight sensation. It can take a long treatment process because of the variety of forms of Bb, the long length of time it can exist in your body in the CWD form, and because it can hide out in cells into which it has burrowed. It's only when they emerge that they are susceptible to your white cells, and in the mature spirochete form that they are sensitive to attack by antibiotics or the immune system, as well as the improved cat's claw. The organism can lie dormant for months or years after infection.

In fact, a 1998 Swiss study showed that only 12.5 percent of Bb positive patients had symptoms. Conventional medicine has grown up thinking bacterial infections can be cured in 10-60 days. If the antibiotics don't cure you, what remains "can't be Lyme."

I know of only three companies currently marketing the improved cat's claw. Allergy Research Group/Nutricology, which also distributes artemisinin, can be reached at 800-545-9960 or www.nutricology.com. Ask for Prima Una de Gato. Nutramedix's product is called Samento Plus, and is available by calling 561-745-2917 or on the web site: www.nutramedix.com . Farmacopia also carries the product (www.farmacopia.net or 800-896-1484).

I don't recommend any other commercially available cat's claw at this time because of the likelihood of TOA content. Please, please see an open-minded integrative physician if you think Bb infection could be present in you. Bring the doctor a copy of this article. Testing is paramount for diagnosis and follow up.

Dr. Whitaker's lab can be reached on the internet at www.bowen.org or at 727-937-9077. A comprehensive strategy to detoxify, replenish nutrition, and strengthen mental/spiritual well being is absolutely essential. Please, do not rely on TOA-free cat's claw alone for this monster bacteria! Removal of mercury fillings and treatment for heavy metals may be required for best results.

I must close by admitting the presence of Bb does not necessarily guarantee that the bug is the cause of your particular problem. It's entirely possible that Bb could be an opportunist, taking advantage of already weakened or damaged tissues. However, if Bb is there, you can be sure it's not present to aid and comfort your body. It must be eliminated. In the last six months of operations, Dr. Mattman's lab found only two negative specimens out of 400 patients. "One was a man from Germany. The other was a dog."

ALS, MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, chronic fatigue, autoimmune disease, and almost every other chronic disease are simply named for their symptoms (or discoverer) rather than their cause. They do not have to be a death sentence or spell life long chronic suffering. Now you know the cause, or at the very least, a major aggravating factor, how to get diagnosed, and how to cure your illness. Now is the time to run to reclaim your health!


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Dear Doctors:
It may be the CAT'S CLAW when it is TOA free (as in FYI- for YOUR INFLAMMATION) that is PART of the reason everyone who has tried 9-12 caplets a day of FYI for their patient's inflammatory related problems, Rheumatoid, Osteoarthritis or whatever, agrees that the C- reactive protein ALWAYS drops at least 50 %. Longevity Plus also sells the original SAMENTO, so you are not limited to the suppliers in the update by Robert Rowen. Samento is the Cadillac of Cat's Claw products for immune enhancement. Can you imagine how good the results would have been if this study was done not just with Samento but also with IMMUNIT-2 AND 3, 3 bid, along with HIGH (near bowel tolerance) doses of the best tolerated Vitamin C product, Beyond C?

I take the position that we all have serious chronic underlying infections. Whether you choose to chase the diagnosis down with www.ccid.org and find out it is SV-40 or use the excellent screening tests for infections offered by Dr. Vojdani at Immunosciences lab or Dr. Garth Nicholson's lab or whatever, we still HAVE TO GET THESE PATIENTS BETTER.

The problem is aggravated by the fact that ALL CHRONIC INFECTIONS will induce HYPERCOAGULABILITY so, of course, the treatment program will not heavily perfuse the tissue of concern unless you add lots of WOBENZYM AND or ENDOKINASE to your plan.

Then unless we detox the patient and lower their body burden of toxic metals, the compromised immune system permits the infection, which is NEVER TOTALLY ERADICATED, to start to bounce back as soon as your aggressive infection control program is tapered off. So it is like fighting a war on 3 fronts at the same time; this can be expensive!

Nonetheless, this is evidence that we can benefit these chronically ill patients with herbs and nutrient based programs. I am merely pointing out that these benefits will tend to be transient UNLESS we have thought out the whole thing. These patients were unable to deal with their infection by themselves because they are immune compromised. They have a genetic and an environmental component. They must get off the foods they are allergic to and we must rebuild the bowel and deal with the dysbiosis all of these folks have. I still get good results with Primal Defense and I like adding fiber to feed the healthy organisms. Not everyone can deal with the transient, up to 2 months, increase in gas I see with INUFLORA so look into RICE-X and other soluble fibers to help deal with the rebuilding of the bowel in these chronically ill patients. Since few can afford food allergy testing, at least go to a diet that is Rotational and off foods not indicated for their blood type, and look into glycemic index control.

Sincerely,
Garry F. Gordon, MD,DO,MD(H)


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Around how much of this "Samento" Cat's Claw would one need to take per day?

Would one pill twice per day be good? I wouldn't want to go through a bottle every couple of days.

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I might consider believing it if she had the name of the organism right.

I have never heard of Borrelia boriensis before. When you google it, the only two hits you get are to the information you copied.

The organism that calls Lyme is called Borrelia burgdorferi.

There are people on this board that use Samento. Yes, some have seen improvement. Dr. Cowden's protocol has grown to include multiple herbs. It suggests to me that Samento/Clat's Claw wasn't the miracle people claimed it was.

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Jaimie, the information you found on JoAnn Whitaker and the Q-RIBb test is old information - I had the Q-RIBb test but to my knowledge, it no longer available.

However, it has been replaced with a new test, which you can read about here:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=053562

Not sure what "herb" they are talking about.... if it is Cat's Claw or Samento (a form of Cat's Claw), then you can do a search here using those terms. Or search for "Buhner" protocol also, since Cat's Claw is the mainstay of that herbal treatment.

Tracy

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thank you all for your responses. I am so new

to this and overwhelmed with information. Thank

God for all of you here or I think I would just

go into overload!

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