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Anyone in real trouble with ethanol may survive alot longer w/ lyme disease?
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just don
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Dont know cause I am not one of those,,,,but I sure could see a real motivation to quit. Its alot like taking that drug they give so people that have a problem,,, DONT drink.
Besides some meds react with it so,,, Like taking flagyl and a drink,,,you WILL end up at the ER,,,no doubt!! Better to cold turkey quit and enjoy the rest of your life.
For sure your treatment will be severly impaired IF drinking,,many LLMD's wont treat or try to treat an alcoholic. (Read Dr. B's guidelines)
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Are you saying that alcoholics will fare better if they ARE infected with Lyme disease versus Lyme free?
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Nevermind lol! I just read the title and put two and two together.
Hmmmm....I wonder if it's worse to be an alcoholic or Lyme infested???
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Impaired bactericidal activity and host resistance to Listeria monocytogenes and Borrelia burgdorferi in rats administered an acute oral regimen of ethanol.
Pavia CS, Harris CM, Kavanagh M. Department of Microbiology, New York College of Osteopathic Medicine of the New York Institute of Technology, Old Westbury, New York 11568, USA. [email protected]
A rat model was used to examine how ethanol ingestion may interfere with antimicrobial immunity both in vitro and in vivo. Nonimmune Long-Evans rats were given a short-course treatment orally with excessive amounts of ethanol.
Their spleens were removed at the time of sacrifice, and separate spleen cell suspensions were prepared and tested in vitro for their ability to kill two bacterial pathogens, Listeria monocytogenes and Borrelia burgdorferi. After the bacteria were mixed separately with various concentrations of spleen cells, it was found that spleen cells from the ethanol-treated rats killed fewer bacteria than matching pair-fed controls, based on counts of the number of cultured CFU (for Listeria) or based on microscopic examination (for Borrelia).
For the in vivo studies, ethanol-treated and control rats were infected intraperitoneally with Listeria, and then, 1 to 3 days later, they were assessed for systemic infection based on the numbers of organisms present in their livers and spleens. Numbers of bacterial CFU for both organs were significantly higher in the group fed ethanol for the first 2 days after listerial challenge.
These results support the concept that acute exposure to high levels of ethanol can impair host defense mechanisms, especially those expressed at the cellular level, which could lead to increased susceptibility to certain types of infections.
PMID: 11874864
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I bet not getting enough sleep, too much stress, a bad diet, or sitting too close to the TV will, to some degree impair your immune system.
I wonder how much alcohol equilibrates from "excessive amounts" in a rat/mouse to small to moderate amounts in a human being?
Bottom line is that no one should have to "push" their lives so far; only to improve their immune systems' efficiency .01% (small amt.).
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I know that if I drink half of a beer I get a Killer hang over that lasts 3 solid days--
I quit drinking any booz 5 yrs ago and dont miss it at all -- I guess this is the only good thing to come out of being sick -- Jay --
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