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I received a call from a concerned friend that SHE HAS FOUND A CURE ...for my daughter.
He is from Duluth Minn and swears that this stuff will cure you in 7 days. He makes it himself.
I am really leary - but did order so that I can look thru his brochure and testimonials.
He says that he has sold lots to different doctors in Georgis and one particular one in Scottsdale AZ.
Has any one heard of RB out of Duluth? ( I don't want to use his name just in case.)
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Ledum which is touted as homeopathic but is actually just an herbal extract is a great treatment for dogs with LYme and may help a subset of humans with Lyme!!!
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I was just curious - he said that they are made of the stuff that the tick with lyme has - ??? I don't know. something like that - wish i had a tape recorder for the phone
There are 4 pills taken on days 1, 3, 5 and 7. then if your symptoms don't completely go away - you run a second course -
again on days 1, 3, 5 and 7. All for $30.
Whether I get scammed or not - We will have to see.
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Keep us posted. I think I remember hearing about this a year or more ago--I think it was $25 for the remedies. Let us know how you do.
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I think that homeopathic nosodes may have some value for some people. I don't immediately discount it as others seem to. I have seen LLMDs that have used nosodes made from infected ticks in the past and may still today in some cases.
There are numerous roads to getting well.
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I think from what I've heard the ledum may have some merit.
grinding up infected ticks and ingesting them is not my idea of a fun time though.
and watering it all down and calling it stronger is ridiculous...If that were true, since this whole house needs a re do, I could save a bunch of money on paint...
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And yet, as far as I could tell, that tick recipe that was provided does correspond to homeopathic principles.
It is true that it is still difficult for me to understand why diluting a substance makes it stronger. That is where it begins to fall into the realm of vibrational or energy medicine. But I certainly have experienced the effects of higher potency homeopathics.
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It's not ridiculous. Read the current issue of the journal Homeopathy published by Elsevier. There are some new studies, using thermoluminescence at different dilutions. They DO react differently. We don't understand the whole mechanism yet. Now that's the essential principle. Whether a specific remedy helps who knows.
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I will actually be seeing a homopath at the end of this month.
I don't have experience with Lyme or co-infection specific nosodes (although I know of at least one person who has been helped greatly by the Bartonella remedy), but I swear by Bach's Rescue Remedy, which is a homeopathic combination of flower essences.
Alison
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Very interesting, Pam. I do hope you will post back about your experiences with this.
I don't know if I would rely on the promise of a cure in 7 days, but as others have pointed out, nosodes can be very helpful in Lyme treatment (as well as prevention after a tick bite).
Caution: You may experience some significant reactions to the homeopathics, although many people do not feel much at all right at first.
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah..... with all of your researching efforts and abilities lately, you could not take a moment to do a little research on Ledum?
***``Ledum which is touted as homeopathic but is actually just an herbal extract is a great treatment for dogs with LYme and may help a subset of humans with Lyme!!!''***
Ledum is not ``touted as homeopathic''. Plants can be made into herbal extracts, and they can also be made into homeopathic remedies. Both. Not `either/or'.
Ledum (Ledum palustre) is a plant - an evergreen, as I recall. I'm sure it can be purchased as an herbal extract. Homeopathic Ledum is made from this plant, then diluted and potentized according to homeopathic principles, as Claire referenced.
Oxygenbabe is right - studies have found that not only does each homeopathic remedy have it's own unique frequency, but each potency (strength) of a remedy has its own frequency.
And I read about some other studies carried out on basophils, lymphocytes, granulocytes and fibroblasts to measure reactions to various remedies and potencies. Some labs had rather startling results, but other labs got very little. Not surprising, really; even today, some labs can't successfully culture the Lyme bacteria from blood!
There is SOMETHING there alright. But nobody knows how it works - yet.
Tracy
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Thank you so much for all your input - I will let you know how things go -
I think that I will let the dog try it first and see if he is back to his normal self, he is 14 though and not sure what this will do to him -
it is either this or a trip to the vet who hasnt done much for him other than giving him some baby aspirin and telling me that when i am ready to let go - they can help him go easily and painlessly -
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Hi Pam
I began my lyme treatment with a medical doctor who was also a board certified homeopath.
His remedies completely cleared my migraine headaches, brain fog and fatigue. In fact, my energy level was awesome.
None of these symptoms have ever returned and it has been two years. Unfortunately, my joint pain increased and I felt I had to move on to other recourses. But I highly recommend trying homeopathy to see if it helps you.
$30 is so little to lose and the time frame is very short. Homeopathy is a very safe medicine with little to no side effects.
If you decide to try it, please report back.
I miss the homeopathy. It was inexpensive and easy to take.
Luvs
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Pam, please do not give this to your dog unless you know that your dog has Lyme (or some other disorder this nosode is designed to treat). Either you will waste $30.00 and absolutely nothing will happen, or your dog could `prove' the remedy by developing the symptoms of whatever is in the nosode. Animals are much more sensitive to the remedies than people.
Sorry, but this isn't the way to experiment with homeopathy.
Each of us on this thread might require a totally different remedy to combat Lyme at this moment, and giving a remedy to your dog that isn't indicated won't give you any useful information.
I hope you are not worried about giving this to your daughter. But if you are, then pass the remedy on to someone who could use it (hey, I'll take it!) or throw it in the trash. Everyone should have peace of mind about their choice of treatment.
All the best, Tracy
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For your information, I forget the name (it is not Ledum),but I also tried the Lyme specific homeopathic consisting of 4 pills taken on days 1, 3, 5 and 7. I was feeling really good when I started it, but by day 3 I was herxing badly and stopped the treatment.
So it was doing something! I would like to understand it better before I would try it again. From the manufacturer, it is NOT groundup tick bodies, but rather the ticks are used to "calibrate" the solution(this is the part I don't understand).
Anyways, I body certainly reacted to it and because of that, it intrigues me.
Obviously, we need more factual information on this treatment.
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A note about homeopathics:
Homeopathic medicine is treatment of like with like. It stimulates the immune system to fight against a pathogen, kind of like a vaccine.
Naturopathic medicine is treatment with natural medicine, including herbs and supplements. Some naturopaths also use homeopathics.
My opinion about the mentioned therapy:
Lyme disease isn't one infection. It's usually a soup of many different infections individual to each of one us.
In addition, infection from a tick bite can stimulate or activate dormant bacteria or viruses that are already harboring in the body.
As our individual illnesses and and individual constitutions are different, there is no one size fits all cure that would work for all of us.
Personally, I would work with an experienced homeopathic physician rather than experimenting on my own.
The idea of grinding up the tick that bit you and making a momeopathic treatment out of it is consistent with homeopathic medicine.
(If you think this is gross, how about the idea of injecting a child with small pox or hepatitis to keep them from getting sick.)
Based on my successful experiences with other homeopathic treatments, I wouldn't be suprised if it helped some people a great deal.
It might not help other people at all, if their immune systems were not able to kick in when stimulated by the suggestion from the remedy.
I do think there are many terrific healing resources for lyme that are not main stream.
I wouldn't count on any one single kind of treatment as a total cure for this disease and related problems that can spring from it.
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I have rec'd said boxes of pills and I think that I am going to wait with them at least for a little while - since daughter is throwing up everything that she eats right now.
The doxy is kicking her butt.
we'll see what doc says next week.
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Well said, Bejoy.
Pam, I'm sorry your daughter is having such trouble with the doxy. I would definitely wait until your daughter is not reacting to some other medication or treatment before giving this remedy, if possible. Otherwise, it may be extremely difficult to observe her specific reaction to the nosode.
From what you have told me, this nosode is not made from ticks but from the Borrelia b. bacteria. This is a commonly-used remedy in the treatment of Lyme.
This nosode treatment is of short duration and I do not believe that it will harm your daughter long-term. It will either help her or it will do nothing. It is always more difficult to identify results when mixing conventional medications and homeopathics. I am not a homeopath so this is just my own opinion.
Ernie, the fact that your body reacted so strongly to the remedy you took is usually a good sign that it `acted' in your body, and was doing some important work there!! An initial `aggravation' of existing symptoms or old symptoms makes homeopaths smile because it is an indication that a correct remedy has been given. (Symptoms occurring that the patient never had before can indicate a negative response, however, so it is important to pay attention to remedy reactions.)
Ernie said, ``...but rather the ticks are used to "calibrate" the solution (this is the part I don't understand).'' I confess, I don't understand what that might mean either.
What some of the early homeopaths discovered when working with nosodes (remedies made from the exact disease that the patient had, or diseased tissue) is that they could never `cure' a chronic illness with just the nosode(s) alone.
HOWEVER, they did find that the introduction of a nosode at certain periods during the person's treatment could greatly improve the action of the standard remedies being given to the patient, and `move the case forward' towards a cure. So, the use of nosodes can be very instrumental in the path back to wellness.
Acute or recent ailments or diseases are a bit different. A remedy made from the exact substance that made you sick can often cure you rather quickly (there are always exceptions).
Some examples of this are the antivenoms given in ERs if you are bitten by a poisonous snake, or curing a terrible hangover by taking a drink of ``the hair of the dog that bit you''. (Yes, most modern snake antivenoms are still manufactured using the venom from live snakes. That's because these antivenoms still work better than anything else.)
Once you get past the ``it can't work because it doesn't make sense'' dogma, homeopathy can be fascinating.
Tracy
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Homeopathics do not work well on all people, IME. Since we are all individuals, it works better, as mentioned above, to be assessed by a health pro with lots of classic homeopathic experience.
Some people do respond really well - with advice from an ND homeopathic doc in Austin a six year old autistic boy I know did well.
Everything in the world is ultimately based on energy and the interactions that occur between energies. Drugs may be needed at times, but they mostly do not help the body heal, especially with long term health challenges.
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