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suz9601
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I had a WB done through Igenex in 2005 that was CDC IGM Postive and IGG negative. I have been sick for 11 years.

I had it repeated a couple of months ago w/o receiving treatment longer than 1 month during this 2 year stretch.

Now it shows IGM positive but the bands are mostly different than they were before and my only IGG is number 41 that is positive.

IGM

23-25 +
28 +
30+
39+
58+

IGG
41+

How can my IGM be positive for so long and why are the bands different than last time..seems strange to me.

I guess this means that I have lyme and nothing else can cause this to be positive like this? Thanks for your help

Just had CD57 done and it is a 90.

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quote:
Originally posted by suz9601:
I guess this means that I have lyme and nothing else can cause this to be positive like this? Thanks for your help

YES!! Band 39 ALONE would point to lyme .. for sure.

Western Blot explanation:
http://tinyurl.com/ffn3x

From the above link by Dr C of MO:

"One of my hopes is that doctors will someday realize that this controversy is a signal for them to search for the truth. Why is there such conflict in this very "political" disease if there is not substance for disagreement? Both IgG and IgM Western blots should be done for borreliosis.

With most infections, your immune system first forms IgM antibodies, then in about 2 to 4 weeks, you see IgG antibodies. In some infections, IgG antibodies may be detectable for years.

Because Borrelia burgdorferi is a chronic persistent infection that may last for decades, you would think patients with chronic symptoms would have positive IgG Western blots.

But actually, more IgM blots are positive in chronic borreliosis than IgG.
Every time Borrelia burgdorferi reproduces itself, it may stimulate the immune system to form new IgM antibodies.

Some patients have both IgG and IgM blots positive. But if either the IgG or IgM blot is positive, overall it is a positive result.

Response to antibiotics is the same if either is positive, or both. Some antibodies against the borrelia are given more significance if they are IgG versus IgM, or vice versa.

Since this is a chronic persistent infection, this does not make a lot of sense to me. A newly formed Borrelia burgdorferi should have the same antigen parts as the previous bacteria that produced it.

But anyway, from my clinical experience, these borrelia associated bands usually predict a clinical change in symptoms with antibiotics, regardless of whether they are IgG or IgM."

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Be sure to read the entire link above, including the replies to the link.

Identification of the bands:


23-25: Outer surface protein C (osp C).

28: An outer surface protein.

30: Possibly a variant of outer surface protein A.

39: Unknown what this antigen is, but based on research at the National Institute of Health (NIH), other Borrelia (such as Borrelia recurrentis that causes relapsing fever), do not even have the genetics to code for the 39 kDa antigen, much less produce it. It is the most specific antibody for borreliosis of all.

41: Flagella or tail. This is how Borrelia burgdorferi moves around, by moving the flagella. Many bacteria have flagella. This is the most common borreliosis antibody.

58: Heat shock protein.

According to Dr C of MO:

"The significant antibodies, in my opinion, are the 18, 23-25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 39, 58, 66 and 93."

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"How can my IGM be positive for so long and why are the bands different than last time..seems strange to me."

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It's been positive for so long because you were never adequately treated. I would imagine the bands can change according to which parts of the spirochetes were available in the blood at the time the blood was drawn.

I do hope you will find an LLMD very soon and get busy on getting well!! The longer you wait, the harder it will be to clear it....but you CAN!!

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Lymetoo, you've answered the question so thoroughly and well, I guess none of the rest of us know what to say. [Smile]

Suz, that's not uncommon with Lyme. The test can be different from time to time and the IgM can be positive even in a late infection.

I hope you are seeing an LLMD for treatment.

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I had variable antibodies over various tests as well. I think my doctor said it was antigenic variability. I found this info that discusses it.

Start reading page 1
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/AC/01/slides/3680s2_11.pdf

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Thank you SIX! I don't like being the only one responding. What if they think I'm a nut?? [Eek!] Oops...let the cat out of the bag! [Big Grin]

So thanks for responding...and Terry too!!

I was also making sure "suz" saw this. Hope she has!!

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Thanks to you all for answering. Thanks lymetoo for the explanation. I really appreciate it. I have started treatment now and hope that it will help me.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
What if they think I'm a nut?? [Eek!]

Then they'll know the truth! [lol] [lol]

Suz, hope you start seeing results soon!

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Hi Suz.

It's all been SAID!

How come you were only treated for a month?

Guess someone was following the IDSA Guidelines???

Your Western Blot is living proof why a lot of people are still sick despite being "treated."

You've got some gettin' better to do!

Hope it's all uphill from here!!

[group hug]

Michelle

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