Topic: Can you get nose-brain tumors? Bunch of things. Help.
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Several years ago I had some sort of sore deep inside my nose. I actually had thought it was a blind pimple, but when I was pressing around a bit, I realized whatever was hurting was deep inside my nose - like way up my nose on the left side, which is where my symptoms seemed to start. They've always been left-sided.
But my nose has been bothering me again lately on that side. It hurts, but in a weird way. I've tried sticking my finger up to see what is going on, but my finger only goes up so far. Also, my nose is always stuffy on that side.
I went to an ENT, last year - maybe the year before - I can't remember now. But I do remember he went up the right side of my nose because it was 'crowded' on the left side.
I'm worrying. I have no LLMD - Dr. S is like the rest of them. I don't think I'd have gone back anyway. There are too many cell towers around where he is anyway, and why go if he's just going to slap me around with his CDC guidelines some more? I don't have the energy for this. I just don't.
People on here have said not to go to Dr. B - for all I know, maybe Dr. S called Dr. B, and I don't even have him. And Dr. B made me sit for 8 hours in a waiting room full of bored cell phone users last time. It got so bad, I went outside to smoke several times to get away, and even got locked out of the building because nobody told me that they locked the door at a certain time. And Dr. B's receptionists didn't even come looking for me, so there I was hoping he wouldn't think I'd left. I thought I was going to die right there in front of the building. Seriously, nobody has this much bad luck - nobody.
I'm even worrying about brain tumors. My ex-husband had one, and I know he has whatever I have, but he doesn't believe me. And though I didn't use a cell phone, I did use a cordless phone until just recently, and they are just as bad. And I usually hold the phone to the left side of my head.
Could a nasal tumor spread to the brain? How do I get tested? I don't want an MRI or a CT scan. Can they ultrasound my head? This sounds crazy, but I don't want to get one unless I'm sure first. I'm THAT petrified of EMFs! I practically died during a 45 minute SPECT scan last year, and I can't forget that - I felt like I was being tortured - this was before I knew EMFs were a factor in all of this. As soon as she started the machine - literally - I had the urge to pee, and she got mad at me because I couldn't sit still. In fact, I ended up yelling back at her because I HAD gone to the restroom right before. It was the MACHINE that gave me the 'signal' to pee.
Also, I have like zero control over my emotions anymore, which evidently Dr. S doesn't seem to get. I've come to the conclusion that all these people who are homeless, all these young kids who go into schools and shoot people, guys who beat their wives - they are all suffering from infection and developing brain tumors.
I give up. I really can't take anymore. I mean, when I'm sitting here calling tractor supply companies to see if I can get antibiotics for my 'farm animals', something's really gone wrong with this system.
And I don't think I can inject myself. Seriously, I argued for the Epipen from the one doctor last year, but when I opened the darn thing, I don't think I'd have ever been able to stick myself if I'd have had an allergic reaction anyway - and I was even a phlebotomist before all this happened.
And then I'd make them right if I started injecting antibiotics into myself, because the one doc made sure to include the words 'drug addict' on the very first page of my record, so that I would see that before anything else, and I never abused it. That about killed me.
I give up. I don't know what to do anymore. I'm even thinking crazy thoughts like maybe I should find a big glob of some superbug in like a medical waste container and like swallow it, have them culture my throat, and get healthy that way?! Heck, they think the cure for breast cancer lies in a toxic waste dump, did you hear that?
Help. Somebody help. I couldn've gone to medical school myself in this amount of time.
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tailz, you need professional help. i hope you will pursue this. we want to see you healthier!! **********************************************
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Nose problem was one of my most annoying symptoms when I fell ill. It's gone now with treatment.
So I think your nose problem might be Lyme-related.
By the way, human has been living in a world of EMFs since the beginning of the mankind, e.g. the sunlight is EMF; we use EMFs to see the world.
Our body has been evolved to be adapted to the EMFs environment.
Nevertheless, powerful EMFs are harmful to our body.
However, the EMFs used for wireless, radio, TV and satellite communication might not cause obvious damage to our body.
Your sensitivity to EMFs might be a result of Lyme disease, not Lyme disease is a result of EMFs.
Definitely the environment plays a role in the etiology of Lyme disease, e.g. there are more Lymes in the North than in the South and air conditioning might cause more Lymes, which might be closely related to temperature.
Without an LLMD would be fine because they don't have secret weapons against Lyme. Self-treating Lymes is not uncommon and some simple physical therapies aiming at raising the body temperature (thermotherapy) are proved to be beneficial: hot bath, Sauna, walking, exercise and heating pads.
I wish you well.
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I used to get sores in my nose prior to being treated for Lyme.
I think it would be a good idea for you to pay a visit to your psychiatrist and then to another ENT. You may have an infection in there and/or polyps, which can be removed.
You may not have to have an MRI or CT or anything. He can remove it with an instrument.
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Thanks to those of you who responded kindly. I probably should see an ENT. I don't know if I will though.
I don't think a psychiatrist could help me with this though, so I know I won't see one of those - maybe you should?...
'Cell Towers: Wireless Convenience? or Environmental Hazard?' Edited by B. Blake Levitt - pages 39-40
In the early 1980's, the U.S. Air Force commissioned a $5 million study into the biological effects of long term, low-level exposures in test animals at the University of Washington's Bioelectromagnetics research lab, the oldest in the country. Nearly the entire first group of test animals died of an unidentified infection. Dr. Robert O. Becker, author of 'The Body Electric' and 'Cross Currents'...observed at the time that this was likely due to immune system suppression which made the test animals more susceptible - an observation that he and colleagues had made in research of their own. The tests had to begin again. Several generations of rats were exposed to pulsed microwaves in ranges that simulated the levels allowed by current standards for humans. Results found increases in adrenal medulla tumors, malignant endocrine and ectocrine tumors, and increases in carcinomas and sarcomas. The authors of the study tried to downplay their own findings and the study became controversial. (Effects of Long Term Low-Level Exposure on Rats, by A.W. Guy et al., University of Washington, Vol. 9, USAFSAM_TR-85, Aug. 1985.)
'Cell Towers: Wireless Convenience? or Environmental Hazard?' Edited by B. Blake Levitt - page 40
In 1997, investigators in Greece exposed 5 generations of mice to RF in several places near an antenna farm. RF power densities were between 168 nW/cm2 and 1053 nW/cm2. A progressive decline in fertilty was observed which ended in irreversible infertility by the fifth generation. Prenatal development of newborns was altered. ("RF Radiation - Induced Changes in the Prenatal Development of Mice," by Ioannis Magras and Thomas D. Xenos, Bioelectromagnetics 18: 455-461 1997.)
'Cell Towers: Wireless Convenience? or Environmental Hazard?' Edited by B. Blake Levitt - page 40
Also in 1997, investigators in Australia exposed mice prone to lymphoma to pulsed 900 MHz EMFs at low intensities. After 18 months, lymphoma risk was found to be statistically higher in exposed animals. The significance of this study is that alterations were found in immune system B-cells. Changes in B-cells are implicated in 80-90% of all cancers. This formed a plausible theory about why so many different kinds of cancers have been observed with EMF exposures. ("Lymphomas in Eu-Pim 1 Transgenic Mice Exposed to Pulsed 900 MHz Electromagnetic Fields," by Michael Repacholi et al., Radiation Research, 147: 631-640, 1997.)
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quote:Originally posted by tailz: I probably should see an ENT. I don't know if I will though.
It's quite obvious to me that you NEED help, but don't WANT it.
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Lymetoo - go fire up your cell phone - I can feel it from here, and you'll cause me great pain.
And blondie - I mean lulu - maybe you and Lymetoo can chat and text message each other back and forth for a few hours on multiple cell phones?
"There comes a time when you realize who really matters, who never did, and who always will... and in the end you will learn who is fake, who is true, & who would risk it all for you"
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Neurophysiologic effects at low level 1.8 GHz radiofrequency field exposure: a multiparametric approach on freely moving rats Author(s): Crouzier D (Crouzier, D.), Debouzy JC (Debouzy, J. C.), Bourbon F (Bourbon, F.), Collin A (Collin, A.), Perrin A (Perrin, A.), Testylier G (Testylier, G.) Source: PATHOLOGIE BIOLOGIE 55 (3-4): 134-142 APR-MAY 2007 Document Type: Article Language: English Cited References: 37 Times Cited: 0 Find Related Records Information Abstract: Deleterious effects on healthcare and particularly disruption of the cholinergic system have been reported after exposure to radiofrequency field at low power density. This work presents a 72 hours multiparametric study, where cholinergic system was investigated using a neurochemical, electrophysiological and physiological approaches. Free moving rats were exposed 24 hours to RF GSM signal at 1.8 GHz at low power density (1.2 and 9 W/m(2)). Acetylcholine (ACh) release in the hippocampus was simultaneously monitored using the microdialysis technique, electroencephalogram (EEG), electromyograrn (EMG) and subcutaneous temperature. A spectral analysis of EEG was also performed and sleep stages were determined. After experimental time, the animals were sacrificed and a NMR study was performed on lipid brain extract. No significant parameters modification was observed under RF exposure. The only significant difference was the lack of increase in time spent in REM sleep, the third day, for the 1.2 W/m(2) group. This observation appeared difficult to explain and could not be reasonably related with RF exposure. Similarly, the NMR study also failed to show any effect of RF. (c) 2006 Elsevier Masson SAS. All rights reserved.
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Recent advances in research on radiofrequency fields and health: 2001-2003 Author(s): Krewski D (Krewski, Daniel), Glickman BW (Glickman, Barry W.), Habash RWY (Habash, Riadh W. Y.), Habbick B (Habbick, Brian), Lotz WG (Lotz, W. Gregory), Mandeville R (Mandeville, Rosemonde), Prato FS (Prato, Frank S.), Salem T (Salem, Tarek), Weaver DF (Weaver, Donald F.) Source: JOURNAL OF TOXICOLOGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH-PART B-CRITICAL REVIEWS 10 (4): 287-318 2007 Document Type: Review Language: English Cited References: 172 Times Cited: 0 Find Related Records Information Abstract: The widespread use of wireless telecommunications devices, particularly mobile phones, has resulted in increased human exposure to radiofrequency (RF) fields. Although national and international agencies have established safety guidelines for exposure to RF fields, concerns remain about the potential for adverse health outcomes to occur in relation to RF field exposure. The extensive literature on RF fields and health has been reviewed by a number of authorities, including the Royal Society of Canada (1999), the European Commission's Scientific Committee on Toxicity, Ecotoxicity, and the Environment (CSTEE, 2001), the British Medical Association (2001), the Swedish Radiation Protection Authority (Boice & McLaughlin, 2002), and the Health Council of the Netherlands (2002). This report provides an update on recent research results on the potential health risks of RF fields since the publication of the Royal Society of Canada report in 1999 (See Krewski et al., 2001a) and our previous 2001 update (Krewski et al., 2001b), covering the period 2001-2003. The present report examines new data on dosimetry and exposure assessment, biological effects such as enzyme induction, and toxicological effects, including genotoxicity, carcinogenicity, and testicular and reproductive outcomes. Epidemiological studies of mobile phone users and occupationally exposed populations are examined, along with human and animal studies of neurological and behavioral effects. All of the authoritative reviews completed within the last 2 yr have concluded that there is no clear evidence of adverse health effects associated with RF fields. However, following a recent review of nine epidemiological studies of mobile phones and cancer, Kundi et al. (2004) concluded that the possibility of an enhanced cancer risk cannot be excluded. These same reviews support the need for further research to clarify the possible associations between RF fields and adverse health outcomes that have appeared in some reports. The results of the ongoing World Health Organization (WHO) study of mobile phones will provide important new information in this regard.
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Effect of GSM-900 and -1800 signals on the skin of hairless rats. II: 12-week chronic exposures Author(s): Sanchez S (Sanchez, S.), Masuda H (Masuda, H.), Billaudel B (Billaudel, B.), Haro E (Haro, E.), Anane R (Anane, R.), Leveque P (Leveque, P.), Ruffie G (Ruffie, G.), Lagroye I (Lagroye, I.), Veyret B (Veyret, B.) Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF RADIATION BIOLOGY 82 (9): 675-680 SEP 2006 Document Type: Article Language: English Cited References: 5 Times Cited: 2 Find Related Records Information Abstract: Purpose: The purpose of this work was to determine whether the cellular components of Hairless-rat skin are affected by a chronic local exposure to non-ionizing radiations of Global Mobile Phone System: GSM-900 or -1800 radiations at specific absorption rate (SAR) 2.5 and 5 W/kg.
Materials and methods: A selected part of the right back of five-week old female hairless rats was exposed or sham exposed (n = 8) for 2 h per day, 5 days a week, for 12 weeks to GSM-900 or -1800 signals using a loop-antenna. At the end of the experiment, skin biopsies were taken.
Results: Analyses of skin sections using hematoxylin eosin saffron (HES) coloration showed no significant difference in skin thickness among the groups. Immunohistochemical analysis of basal lamella cells in radiofrequency radiation (RFR)exposed epidermis showed that the ratio of the antigen Ki-67 (cellular proliferation marker) positive cells to total lamella cells remained within the range of the normal proliferation ratio. No significant differences in the level of filaggrin, collagen, and elastin were observed among the different groups.
Conclusions: The results of this 12-week chronic study do not demonstrate major histological variations in the skin of hairless rats exposed to RFR used in mobile telephony (GSM-900 or -1800).
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Mobile phones, mobile phone base stations and cancer: a review Author(s): Moulder JE, Foster KR, Erdreich LS, McNamee JP Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF RADIATION BIOLOGY 81 (3): 189-203 MAR 2005 Document Type: Review Language: English Cited References: 116 Times Cited: 16 Find Related Records Information Abstract: There have been reports in the media and claims in the courts that radiofrequency (RF) emissions from mobile phones are a cause of cancer, and there have been numerous public objections to the siting of mobile phone base antennas because of a fear of cancer. This review summarizes the current state of evidence concerning whether the RF energy used for wireless communication might be carcinogenic. Relevant studies were identified by searching MedLine with a combination of exposure and endpoint terms. This was supplemented by a review of the over 1700 citations assembled by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) International Committee on Electromagnetic Safety as part of their updating of the IEEE C95.1 RF energy safety guidelines. Where there were multiple studies, preference was given to recent reports, to positive reports of effects and to attempts to confirm such positive reports. Biophysical considerations indicate that there is little theoretical basis for anticipating that RF energy would have significant biological effects at the power levels used by modern mobile phones and their base station antennas. The epidemiological evidence for a causal association between cancer and RF energy is weak and limited. Animal studies have provided no consistent evidence that exposure to RF energy at non-thermal intensities causes or promotes cancer. Extensive in vitro studies have found no consistent evidence of genotoxic potential, but in vitro studies assessing the epigenetic potential of RF energy are limited. Overall, a weight-of-evidence evaluation shows that the current evidence for a causal association between cancer and exposure to RF energy is weak and unconvincing. However, the existing epidemiology is limited and the possibility of epigenetic effects has not been thoroughly evaluated, so that additional research in those areas will be required for a more thorough assessment of the possibility of a causal connection between cancer and the RF energy from mobile telecommunications.
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Would you trust them knowing this is how they manipulate research? - especially knowing two people close to you who had brain tumors?
Cell Towers - Wireless Convenience? or Environmental Hazard? by B. Blake Levitt - Chapter 1 - pages 40-41.
Research Manipulation
There is currently no unbiased, federal research program into this subject. The lead agencies have all been defunded. Industry completely controls the show and there are a number of ways to manipulate the research without actually tampering with the data itself.
One way is to make sure that the right research is never funded - to keep looking at, for instance, thermal effects rather than the non-thermal effects; or to keep designing tests with high-power short-term exposure parameters. Another way is to set up the research protocols so that no effects are likely to be found, such as setting the power densities at vanishingly small intensities. Or to not replicate studies that have found effects - that way industry can say "that study was not replicated," implying that someone tried and failed thereby casting doubt on the integrity of the original work, when in fact no attempt was made at all. When major organizations like the National Research Council are asked to conduct meta studies to see if patterns are emerging in certain areas of science, they often restrict their analysis to studies that have been peer reviewed and replicated. If replication has been blocked, such studies never make it into the overall research picture - which can then be skewed in favor of industry findings.
Sometimes studies are repeated by other researchers using different test parameters. When the same results aren't reached, it is said that the original study "wasn't replicated" which in the literal sense, it wasn't. The design was altered. But the phrase is again used to discredit the original work.
All of this would imply some massive collusion on the part of the individual researchers to hookwink the public, but that's not the case. Most researchers embody the utmost personal and professional integrity. The problem is that industry - and only industry - is footing the bill.
Some of the things the telecom industry routinely does cannot be considered in the best interest of the public. For instance, in their contracts, industry requires independent researchers to sign confidentiality clauses, agreeing not to speak about their work until it is published. There can be up to three-year lag times between when the research is done and professional publication. And sometimes the research just never sees the light of day - if it goes against industries desires.
Contrast that to the pharmaceutical industry where researchers have to pick up the phone and immediately call the FDA if adverse effects are found in test animals or in clinical trials with drugs. The telecommunications industry also gets final edit before research findings are made public. No other industry exercises this loophole and expects to get away with it. Some independent researchers have stated that they have been asked to change their interpretations of their work to suit industry spin. The problem is endemic to telecom research. This situation is clearly deplorable to all concerned. Independent, unbiased research must be funded as soon as possible.
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Tailz,
No disrespect, but why don't you join and post this stuff on an appropriate forum, one to do with EMF's instead. This is not one.
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I have Lyme.
I thought that was the only prerequisite for joining this forum.
You are always welcome to skip my posts.
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I don't think anyone said you don't have Lyme.
What I suggested was that you post your EMF stuff, which is not Lyme related, on a forum that deals with that topic. That's all.
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I have and had EMF sensitivity and it is a living nightmare, add to that chemical sensitivity and light sensitivity,
this disease can drive you nuts, over the edge mentally, it has me.
I have found for me, that EMF got better with babesia treatment, BUT then I had to get the lyme treated again, and now back
to babesia treatment.
SO, for me, to share, EMF has been babesia, then back to lyme treatment.
I am trying to get better from it because computers are my line of work, and to loose my line of work is like loosing
WHO I am, so I hope to get it better. It was really better just about, then it got worse again, after Rifampin.
I WAS told on here that Dr B said that treating Bartonella can coax out the babesia, SO that sounds like what may have happend to me.
I like to share what worked for me because this disease is a nightmare for many of us and if I can help one person, that is good.
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We may not completely trust their research and I cannot say that EMFs are not completely harmful to our body.
However, at least in the US, all people have been being exposed to EMFs for years and we haven't seen any catastrophe happening caused by man-made EMFs.
So the adverse effects if any could be too subtle to be considered as the main contributor to Lyme disease. Lyme pathogens are the etiological agent of Lyme disease. Once these pathogens have been eradicated from our body, all Lyme symptoms including EMF sensitivity and autoimmune would be resolved accordingly.
I have been reading most of your posts about EMFs and found them interesting especially the hypothesis, and I discontinued the use of cordless.
Definitely I'll take some cautions on EMFs and other potential hazards like abx.
But my focus is on eradicating the Lyme pathogens.
By the way, the damage of the protective sheath of nerve by Lyme pathogens might contribute to EMF sensitivity.
If you really think EMF is your problem, it is possible to protect you from getting any EMF radiations, by using metal nets, which EMFs cannot penetrate, to cover your house, car...
Wish you the best.
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I only hope that you get the help you need so that you can get better. I was not trying to be mean to you.
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dontlikeliver - Everybody here with Lyme is dealing with a host of medical issues. Some here have thyroid problems - and Lyme. Some here have GI problems - and Lyme. I happen to have EMF problems - and Lyme. You can't tell me you can't see how I'd be offended by being told to post my EMF threads on an EMF forum - a disorder that isn't even acknowledged in the US (yet).
Trish - I know you have EMF problems, too. You sound as bad as I do. And I know I have some other infection - though no doctor to treat them, so I'm trying to warn my immune system in advance.
And maybe I'm like the mice or rats here, and I have some freaky unidentified infection. I still think the two things are dependent on one another - infection and EMF. Researchers have exposed bacteria in a culture dish to EMF similar to what we are bombarded with on a daily basis, and they begin to multiply at mega rates.
So unless we live in a plastic bubble, we are doomed as soon as we get EMF-zapped. I think that is why you keep having to go back and forth on meds - why all of us do. And since we seem to have more strains of bacteria than we do antibiotics, somehow I think a different approach is needed.
I was looking at a graph in my 'Cell Tower' book. Though I did my OCD stuff as a kid, when I moved out and got married, it actually disappeared for about a year and 3 months.
It resumed full force, however, in 1985 - right with the first cell phone towers (though few at that time). And my symptoms seemed to climb in intensity right along with every single tower from that point forward.
The first bar on the graph is super short and begins in 1985, and the final bar is about 1,000,000 times longer and ends in 1999. It's, therefore, even HIGHER today.
I noticed, too, that there were significant jumps in the bar lengths in 1997, 1998, and 1999 - the jump from 1998 to 1999 being the GREATEST jump. I was so sick in the late 90's - I honestly look back and can't believe I pushed myself like I did before I collapsed onto disability in 2000.
Don't you think that's odd this all coincides with this cell phone tower graph? Even my (young) pets started dying in the late 90's. I think a lot of Lyme cases were diagnosed beginning in the late 90's. Dr. Becker mentions Lyme in his book.
Dave - I'm glad you got rid of your cordless phone. I wish I'd have done this sooner myself.
But I don't trust these studies. I don't think it's the researchers so much - but the cell phone industry would have a lot to lose if health effects were to be found.
And I don't even know why I said it like that - sterile rats after 5 generations is an 'effect'. Decreased REM sleep is an 'effect'. It's not really our job to prove them unsafe by being guinea pigs - it was their job to prove them safe from the get-go. And if an infection alone is going to make me sensitive to them, that's not fair to me since this is a chronic infection, and I have to live in this world.
And to me any effect, even a small effect, is still an effect - especially when whatever triggers the effect continues over time - like it does with cell phone towers.
Even a 'point 2' degree drop from normal in body temperature, for instance, causes bacteria to start multiplying every 20 minutes. If you were to take my body temperature example, once my body temperature remains low for too long, I could end up with more bacteria than my body can attack at that rate, especially if hasn't been given time to recover.
It's the same with EMFs - if it becomes chronic exposure, the body just can't recover. We don't know enough about this technology to have covered the earth in cell phone towers mostly within the last decade.
And how do you explain what happened to me during my SPECT scan. I did not know anything about EMFs then, and as soon as she turned the machine on, bam - I had to go to the bathroom instantly. Isn't that a small effect? That certainly can't be good. Cells use electricity to communicate with each other. What was that machine that was on my head for 45 minutes telling my brain to do?
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tailz, I can understand your frustration. but you seem to be the one here on this board who knows the most about EMF, so what do you want us to do?
if you just want to rant, fine, but if you want help, you probably are not going to get it here, since no one here knows as much as you know about EMF and RF, and certainly not more than you know.
I do think that you need treatment for your lyme, that is the most important thing right now. and you need to protect yourself from the EMF and RF. but don't skimp on the lyme treatment. you need the abx too.
i disagree about seeing a psychiatrist. all they will do is put you on dangerous meds. but in lyme, the psychiatric problems go away with abx. so you do need to get treatment with abx.
as for the nose/brain problems. its probably a nasal polyp or cranial nerve palsy. if its bothering you that much, go to an ENT or neurologist.
but first - get treated for the lyme.
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I did a search on nasal cancers, and apparently it is rare, except there is one type that is associated with EBV, which I have.
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Hi, I geneally agree with Dave's initial comments. Cell phone radiation is non-ionizing radiation, similar to a microwave oven. The diference, of course, is in the power density. So, at most, a cell phone could posibly cause localized tissue heating for the user. Stepping outside to get away from a room full of cell phones in the daytime will actaully expose you to much more harmful ionizing solar radiation. You can always find information on the internet to support your worst fears. Cell phones DO cause damage, but it is to the users pocketbook!! I got rid of my cell because I plan to retire some day. The fear of cell phones is worse for you than the phones themselves. Medical devices today are very safe because scientists and engineers understand different types of radiation and their affects. Be comforted in the knowledge that lawyers with their scientists would love to take money from the cash-rich medical instument makers of today. TAKE COMFORT. Please go get tests done. I have had the same problem that you have with something in my nose on my left side. I have had an MRI of my sinus and it showed something there, but an MRI of my brain showed no tumors. You have to get tests done to rule in or out fears. Right now the fears you have are of things that you are creating yourself and the fears of not knowing.
Good luck to you tailz
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Thanks. I think he did say there was a polyp on that left side. I, also, think I did have some sort of scan of my sinuses last year maybe, but if I remember correctly, there was a cyst in my right maxillary sinus, so that doesn't seem to coincide with my left-sided symptoms.
I think I'm less worried about nasal cancer though than I am about non-ionizing radiation. I don't think it's coincidental at all that my OCD climbed along with the cell phone tower graphs.
In fact, OCD was pretty 'new' in the 80's - I didn't even know what I had until I'd seen an Oprah show one day while I was cleaning - that was the ONLY day I stopped cleaning, too. And though I had OCD prior to that, it seemed to come and go in spurts, and had always been manageable. In fact, I would have called myself a neat freak or a perfectionist prior to the mid 80's when cell phone towers hit the air space.
I think researchers are forgetting we are electrical beings who are very affected by these fields, though I believe in men it causes an addiction to electronics and in women it causes nervous breakdowns. I'm not kidding. I think our brains are too fried from these fields to realize it.
If I were to put a piece of chicken in the microwave oven for 1 second and were to do this every day for one year, I guarantee, though that chicken may not turn brown, it definitely would not look the same as it did had it not been zapped daily. I think we are being far too trustful of the industry.
Also, ENGINEERS and PHYSICISTS conducted the inital safety tests - doctors were just brought in at the end to evaluate.
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I know you all are going to think I'm being psychosomatic, but I DID have a sore up my nose a few years ago, and 6 people died of this brain eating parasite, naegleria fowleri, since 1995 - exactly when cell phones went BIG:
I also live near a community pool, and the well water here was infected with e-coli back in 2004, though I did have it tested, and it was negative - but that doesn't necessarily mean it was before I demanded it be tested. I also don't know if they check for this.
I saw an ID doc, too. It does feel like my brain is being eaten, too, and I looked like I walked out of a third world country last year. Now I just eat canned peas, because everything else makes me sick. Actually, peas do, too.
Again, it enters through the nose and is common in soil.
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Naegleria fowleri will kill you within days, if not hours, of infection. There is no cure. You have to get the water up your nose to get it. Once you do, you are sunk. Also, the headache is so intense that you wouldn't be posting, you'd be on life support. So take heart, you don't have that or you would not have made it through the weekend.
You know what? I am not a big fan of psychiatry to be honest. I'm not jumping Ophra's couch or joining the church of Scientology anytime soon, but none the less, I'm not a big believer in psychiarty as a medicine. However, I'm not against some xanax or klonopin to get you out of a bad cycle that you are in right now. The old fashioned anti-anx meds like those that were created for seziure treatment are effective for acute symptoms as long as you do not get addicted, and you shouldn't be suicidal when you take them so that you don't OD yourself. Also, I know a woman with Panic disorder who gets great relief...I mean GREAT relief...by using an old children's bed wetting med.
I'm not a doctor, by any means, but I have seen OCD cause mental breaks in people that caused them to get locked up in the hospital and being innundated with anti-psychotics. If you don't like EMF's or doctors, you probably aren't going to enjoy being locked up against your will, strapped to a bed on a thorozine drip while you drool on your pillow. If you go into full blown mental break, that's the reality.
Therefore, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, girl!
You can say its not that easy...well, its easier to say than DO...but most people who have beaten OCD and schizoaffective disorder and addiction and chronic depression and panic have done so because they made an unequivocal decision to do so. Because they wanted it bad enough.
Its one thing to be in chronic physical pain. BUT things like OCD and other problems bring their own kind of pain...just as crushing as chronic pain of the physical kind.
Sometimes panic disorder feels like a physical problem. In some ways, it is a physical problem because of the amount of physical pain and exhaustion it brings.
You took it as an insult that someone said to see a psychiatrist. While I can understand that, I think you are too worried, based on that reply..which I don't think was a jab even though I'm not big on psychiatric medicines...about the stigma of mental problems than you are about getting better.
Truth is, no one here, or anywhere, can really help you until you choose to help yourself.
By that way..you SHOULD be concerned about nasal cancer. Head and neck cancers are virulent, deadly, and an extremely painful death. You're not going to get out of that alive. However, I'm thinking polyp or cyst or fibroid...as I have cysts as well in my sinuses...but you should have it checked by an ENT so that if it has the possibility of being precancerous that you have it removed.
That being said, if you really want treatment, there are more and more treatments available that will not consititute lots of meds. There's counselling/psychotherapy.
If you post that you need help...and people post back but you refuse their help or their outside opinion, did you want help or did you just want to vent??
It is natural, when you are suffering, especially from something like OCD and panic and other problems, to look outside of your body for an organic cause...such as a brain eating parasite. These are common thoughts to someone suffering from unrelenting, repeated panic and paranoia. And there is not a person on this board who have EVER had encephlopathy who hasn't had pain, strange thoughts, paranoid concerns.
Let me tell you mine. It was a few years ago and I was in a major lyme flare up and quite sick. I was having AWFUL neuro symptoms...one of which was in my face. The neurpoathy created a sensation in the center of my forehead between my eyes of water dripping down my face. It was a real nerve doing the hootchie cootchie, but I didn't know yet that neuropathy could be anything but stabbing or numbness. Oh, it was making me nuts. I started to panic. I started to actually believe my brain must be leaking fluid under my skin. I called my mom in hysterics. She brought me to the ER and they gave me benedryl for goodness sakes. I slept and felt better. What I didn't know until two days later was that I was working on a sinus infection as well...which further added to my instability.
I still dind't know it was neuro. BUT having a sinus infection helped me explain it to myself...helped me make sense of the symptom...and I have not been in a panic about that since. MUCH better now that I know its my nerves doing the rhumba.
The truth is...if they were so inclined, other people here could tell you similar things that they went through, thought they were dying in a panic over weirdness of symptoms, and then survived to live another day. And they were well embarrassed enough afterward to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and deal with things different the next time.
Einstein said that insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. Once you realize that panicing over a symptom, or group of symptoms, only exasperbates the problem and that if you could only break the cycle of pain, pain, more pain, more panic that you could get a handle on it!!
Only you can choose. But I, for one, will not enable you. I'm going to call you to the carpet and tell you that the only one responsible for how you feel is you. Only you can take responsibility for your feelings, your health, your "luck".
I had to learn all this the hard way. There is no other way to learn it. None of this is malicious, but you need to hear from someone, straight up, that you need to get control and quit stigmatizing yourself for having mental problems so that you can be humble enough to accept help. There are plenty of people here who see a psychiatrist, I am sure. Do you know how much you have insutled them with you comments? Do you know how disheartenning it is to see you actually wish your "cell phone hell", real or percieved, on other people?
I wouldn't wish my stuff on anyone. Pull yourself up and get some help before you alientate everyone who was previously concerned about you...because that is the direction you are going. Even the people who believe EMF's are real aren't going to hang around and agree with you if you are wishing your suffering on others. You want to get better, then, as scary as it is...take responsibility for yourself and what you say. Lashing out and wishing your suffering on others will not be tollerated...especially when they are trying to help you...which is what YOU asked for!
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