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Greatcod
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Something to think about if you've been on a number of ABX's..serious business.

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thanks for posting.

Does anyone know why it says 'those who have recently taken such antibiotics as fluoroquinolones or cephalosporin' should be watchful.

do these abx promote MRSA?

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Something else to think about is that MRSA is NOT resistant to minocycline - a key antibiotic in the Marshall Protocol.
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I'm glad to know it's not resistant to mino because I'm on mino and MRSA has been a problem here. Several school districts have closed for a day to clean. We've had two cases in our own school district ... with five kids in school, you never know what they'll bring home!

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It's all very personal to me because my husband got MRSA from a surgery a few years back and has had it return systemically about 5 times now and been hospitalized 3-4 times for it where it had affected his heart even!!!

And frankly, as well as being worried about him I was worried I would get it from him but I never have- He is at high risk because he is diabetic!! People with diabetes are more prone to skin infections- he got MRSA from carpal tunnel surgery- fell sick the next DAY! They traced it to- the surgical room because it wasn't just him!!!!!! Terrible!!!

At my old work, before staying home with the baby I was a counselor with the severely mentally ill and criminally inclined drug addicts & alcoholics (a hard pop, very low yield of success stories) at aninpatient place and we had a couple of people who had AIDS/HIV+ *and* then a guy got MRSA and we had to scrub the whole place down with bleach-

He had to spray bleach the toilet seat after using it- we and he had to clean doorknobs after he touched them- he had his own chair and towels and cutlery- (clients did own washing up and soemtimes we not too good) ANYWAY, it didn't spread THEN but months later had another person in same bed come down with it- could have been
same strain!! The germs stay for MONTHS- unless eradciated- they will sit on doorknob waiting- alive- viable- for MONTHS-

But HIV+/AIDS guys were scared to death- neither got sick though- thank goodness!!! We were told to send the infected guy away but the only places that would take him were jail or locked wards both of which weren't supposed to have him either unless they put him in full isolation- so we just made the best of it-
he was court mandated to stay inpatient-

But it was a tense time especially because I had to worry about bringing it HOME- my husband had already had 2 outbreaks of his own by then!!!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3344325.stm

Garlic 'beats hospital superbug'


Allicin occurs naturally in garlic
The ingredient which gives garlic its distinctive smell is the latest weapon in the battle to beat the hospital "superbug" MRSA.
University of East London researchers found allicin treated even the most antibiotic-resistant strains of the infection.

MRSA (Methecillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) causes an estimated 2,000 deaths in UK hospitals each year.

Researchers are now testing allicin products in a six-month study.

Dr Ron Cutler and his team discovered the effectiveness of allicin in laboratory tests five years ago.

They found it can cure MRSA within weeks.

It is even effective against the newer strains which cannot be treated by the "last line of defence" antibiotics Vancomycin and Glycopeptides.

Fatal infections

The team have developed a nasal cream, pills and soaps.

The effect of the treatment was dramatic

Deborah Brown, patient
Initial trials have proved effective, so researchers will now test them in a six-month study of 200 volunteers including healthcare workers and patients.

The scientists hope the products will be used by people working in hospitals so they can prevent MRSA being passed on to patients, as well as the patients themselves.

MRSA organisms can live harmlessly in humans, carried in the nasal passages and on the skin, but they can cause fatal infections in immune-suppressed patients, the elderly, the young and those with surgical implants.

Dr Cutler told BBC News Online: "My aim would be to firstly work to try and reduce the carriage of MRSA amongst healthcare workers.

"But we would also hope to use allicin treatments for patients themselves."

He added: "The trials we have conducted so far show that this formulation is highly effective against MRSA, and it could save many lives.

"MRSA is causing a genuine crisis in our hospital system in Britain and worldwide. Antibiotics are increasingly ineffective, but we do have a powerful natural ally.

"Plant compounds have evolved over millions of years as chemical defence agents against infection.

"Garlic has been used in medicine for centuries, and it should be no surprise that it is effective against this very modern infection."

'Incredibly painful'

Deborah Brown, 34, from Rainham in Kent, contracted MRSA after a major spinal operation in November 2000.

Painful wounds on her spine failed to heal for two years, despite using the antibiotics and creams currently available.

But within two months of using the allicin creams and pills, her MRSA had virtually cleared and the wounds had begun to heal.

She said: "The effect of the treatment was dramatic - I am making a good recovery - but it was really awful at the time.

"Having weeping wounds on my back that never healed was incredibly painful and I became increasingly depressed as the MRSA didn't respond to repeated courses of antibiotics.

"If my case helps to show that allicin works against MRSA then I am glad that something good might come of it."

The research is to be published in the Journal of Biomedical Science next year.

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MRSA is rampant in the prison system. A person I know who is a parole officer got bit by a hobo spider (similar to a brown recluse) and she developed a nasty case of MRSA.

My sister developed MRSA and had to go on IV abx to get over it.

http://www.greenteahaus.com/group-m.htm
Greenteahaus: The Green Tea Reference Library

**More info at the link above but here is some of it

Green tea enhances the antimicrobial effects of antibiotics, especially that against methicillin-resistant strains of staphylococcus aureus, MRSA

(1) Stapleton PD, Shah S, Anderson JC, Hara Y, Hamilton-Miller JM, Taylor PW.Modulation of beta-lactam resistance in Staphylococcus aureus by catechins and gallates. Int J Antimicrob Agents. 2004 May;23(5):462-7.


Aqueous extracts of Japanese green tea (Camellia sinensis) are able to reverse beta-lactam resistance in methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).

We have attributed the capacity to reverse oxacillin resistance in the homogeneous PBP2a producer BB568 and in EMRSA-16 to (-)-epicatechin gallate (ECG) and (-)-catechin gallate (CG). Minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) values for oxacillin were reduced from 256 and 512 to 1-4 mg/l, respectively, in the presence of these polyphenols. In addition, (-)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) had a moderate capacity to modulate oxacillin activity against S. aureus BB568, but none against EMRSA-16. ECG, CG and EGCG increased the sensitivity of EMRSA-15 to oxacillin. The gallate moiety was essential for the oxacillin-modulating activity of ECG, as both (-)-epicatechin and (-)-epicatechin-3-cyclohexylcarboxylate were unable to reverse resistance to oxacillin.

Gallic acid and three alkyl gallates (methyl gallate, propyl gallate, and octyl gallate) did not modulate beta-lactam resistance in MRSA. Octyl gallate exhibited direct antibacterial activity against S. aureus BB568 (16 mg/l). Modulation of beta-lactam resistance by ECG significantly enhanced the activities of flucloxacillin and the carbapenem antibiotics imipenem and meropenem against 40 MRSA isolates, with MIC(90) values for the antibiotics reduced to the susceptibility breakpoint or below. Consequently, EGCG, CG and, particularly, ECG warrant further investigation as agents to combat beta-lactam resistance in S. aureus.

(2) Yama****a S, Yokoyama K, Matsumiya N, Yamaguchi H. Successful green tea nebulization therapy for subglottic tracheal stenosis due to MRSA infection. J Infect. 2001 Apr;42(3):222-3.

(3) Yam TS, Hamilton-Miller JM, Shah S. The effect of a component of tea (Camellia sinensis) on methicillin resistance, PBP2' synthesis, and beta-lactamase production in Staphylococcus aureus. J Antimicrob Chemother. 1998 Aug;42(2):211-6.

Extracts of tea (Camellia sinensis) can reverse methicillin resistance in methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) and also, to some extent, penicillin resistance in beta-lactamase-producing S. aureus. These phenomena are explained by prevention of PBP2' synthesis and inhibition of secretion of beta-lactamase, respectively.

Synergy between beta-lactams and tea extracts were demonstrated by disc diffusion, chequerboard titration and growth curves. Partition chromatography of an extract of green tea on Sephadex LH-20 yielded several fractions, one of which contained a virtually pure compound that showed the above-mentioned activities, at concentrations above about 2 mg/L.

The observed activities are novel and distinct from the previously reported direct antibacterial activity of tea extracts. Prevention of PBP2' synthesis offers an interesting possible new approach for the treatment of infections caused by MRSA.

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My doctor has recently put me on immune suppressing drugs inspite of the fact I was having zero joint pain. She assures me I will need these drugs when she attacks the babesia.

It gave me great comfort to read amk33's post about garlic.

I juice garlic nearly every day. You can include a clove or two in any fresh juice drink. One of my favorites is:

10-15 Gala Apples (everything organic only)
1-2 limes
1 small BULB garlic
1/4" ginger root

This is delicious. My doctor is thrilled I do it because garlic is an excellent chelator. I sure hope it protects me from all bugs since the humira and the methotrexate promise they can kill me and have killed others.

I'm just praying my immune system really was in overdrive before and with the suppressors, it will still be running at about normal speed.

I'm still in no pain and with very good energy as I was before I began the suppressors. So it is hard now to tell what helps, since I have no symptoms to measure.

It is really nice having no symptoms. [Smile]

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Sometimes when I question WHY will the CDC and Mainstream Medical community will NOT appropriately address "Lyme Disease" I wonder if perhaps MRSA is not the reason. Long term antibiotics regimes are feared by many providers because of MRSA. They may be sacrificing us to save the herd.... at least in their mind.

I am exposed to MRSA every day I work. WE incise and drain up to 7, 8, or 9 nasty MRSA wounds per day. Plus care for the previously incised wounds. This is my biggest concern about getting a Groshong... would not even CONSIDER a PICC!

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Luvs2ride,

You drink the juice of 10-15 apples a day?? That is a lot of sugar, is your LLMD not concerned about that at all if you are on antibiotics?

Sounds like a tasty recipe though. I love ginger/garlic combined.

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Terry,

I'm sorry. I did not mean to overlook your info about green tea. I will increase my consumption.

D.L.L.

No, I didn't say I drink that particular drink every day. I said that is one of my favorites. This morning I drank juiced carrots, brocolli, green pepper, celery and garlic.

I have a book called "Juicing for Life" and it gives different recipes for different ailments. Great book for juicing.

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