Topic: GiGi and others: chlorella stopped a herx reaction?
heiwalove
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i just started taking an ozonated essential oil (rizol) recommended to me last night, actually, by dr. k's nurse, with whom i was lucky enough to have an appointment. (this particular oil contains herbal ingredients that hit parasites and babesia, i believe.)
well, ONE drop in a glass of water and twenty minutes later i was on my butt with a crazy herx/die-off reaction: shaky, dizzy, brain-fogged, nauseous, anxious, peeing out ridiculous, copious amounts of water every five minutes.
i called dr. k's nurse in a bit of a panic; she asked if i had any toxin binders lying around, i told her about my unopened bottle of chlorella (i'd been too nervous to try it before), and she suggested i take a handful of the stuff. i think i took about 10, and twenty to thirty minutes later, i felt fine (or as close to 'fine' as i'm capable of feeling these days).
i guess i didn't realize chlorella could help ameliorate herxes! i thought it was solely a heavy metal cleanser/binder.
just thought i'd share this here to see if anyone else has had a similar experience with chlorella.
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Heather, be sure you count the drops and don't get carried away. And you know how to use only a half drop??!! I have 2 inches high of literature of the research from hospitals to doctors and more from private people. The ozonides work across the board on literally everything including viruses.
Go to www.klinghardt.org, go to articles and scroll down to where you will find about 4 or 5 different articles (English) about the ozonated rizoles. I have a lot more here, but all in German.
The Rizoles are my favorite. I have posted about them a number of times, with hardly a response from anyone. It is amazing! and people don't know what they are missing - for a little price. I use them from bruise to aching something. C'est la guerre. I rub them in and laser them or drink it. No fuss, no mess - just a little bottle that goes a long way.
Yes, chlorella is a neurotoxin binder. Most toxins known to man are neurotoxins, mercury just one of them. Lyme & Co. represents only a few of all.
I am glad you met. She is a jewel.
I will drop you a note with my new e-mail coming up shortly.
Take care.
Sharing my experiences.
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hardynaka
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Chlorella is my main herx reliever plant.
I used it in loads after massive killing and it's the main plant that helps reducing herxes, many times herxes simply vanish.
Yes, the time for it to happen in my case is about 30 minutes after intake. The more I herx, the more chlorella I take and it makes my day almost normal (except for the need of taking chlorella all the time).
Other things that help strong herxes is MSM. It saved me many times from BIG trouble, and it is a good partner to chlorella, both can be taken simultaneously.
I was on this chlorella-MSM combo about 6 times a day while killing a lot (or more), and then my days looked 'normal' except for the frequent intake of herbs. I still could be functional and have enough energy to go through massive killing.
The calming effect after MSM-Chlorella is for me classical. That's why I'm a chlorella fan.
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heiwalove
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GiGi, she told me next time to just drink 1/3 of the oil/water mixture and see how i tolerate that. i have tons of stuff to do today but i will try it again tomorrow afternoon.
i'm excited to see how this protocol will end up working for me! and thank goodness for chlorella!
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September 2000 Dr.rer.nat. Gerhard Steidl (Dipl.-Chem.) Mail address: Flurstrasse 4, D-90584 Allersberg, Germany. Medicinal Microbiology Elimination of Pathogenic Bacteria, Fungi, Parasites, Viruses and Tumour Cells by Oxygen and Bitter Drugs Introduction The human body provides perfect growing conditions for a great variety of non physiological parasites. Through a constant supply of all nutrients and body heat they live in an ideal environment. Normally they are kept under control by a vitally acting immune system not giving any cause for symptoms or diseases. There exists a natural balance between the vitality of the host and of the parasites, giving both beings optimal living conditions. This equilibrium will be disturbed by the host if its vitality and powers of resistance are reduced or decrease with aging. Soon the parasites will get the upper hand, the host's condition will deteriorate. Of course there are many reasons for endogenous injury of the host. Exogenous causes must be considered as well e.g. noxae from the environment against which man cannot summon adequate resistance in time as in the case of acute infection by germs in tropical regions or in case of food poisoning. Therefore, if acute infection is not controlled quickly, it may become chronic with subsequent symptoms, sometimes accompanied by vague feelings of ill health as with borreliosis, for example. The required treatment consists of the prescription of antibiotics. This has at least two drawbacks. Firstly, the selection of the intestinal bacterial flora, meaning the composition of the intestinal bacteria is changed from physiological resulting in digestive problems, alteration of the environment, decrease in physiological biocides, proliferation of fungi such as candida, irritation of the immune system associated with the colon . Secondly, the formation of antibiotic-resistant germs. An alternative therapy can now be applied by using oxygen in the form of ozonides - not ozone - and amaroids. This therapy is especially effective against all kinds of germs which, whether by choice or necessity, live in anaerobic conditions but is less effective with aerobic germs. So the appropriateness of this treatment must be evaluated and tested in every single case and this is the challenge for therapists. They must have a sound knowledge of medicinal microbiology, blood diagnostics and immune parameters, possibly with some knowledge of kinesiology, electronic acupuncture and bioresonance methods. Modern man is characterized by his extreme mobility. Millions of individuals are travelling around the world all the time. Transportation of foodstuffs from tropical regions provides the opportunity for the widespread growth of germs and offers new routes for their proliferation as well. The healing professions are confronted by increasing numbers of patients with infections. All the more important is profound knowledge about infectious germs including exotic ones, also physiological germs which become pathogenous as a result of side effects of drugs or through inappropriate behaviour or poor mental state of the patient (bad nutrition, poor air quality, lack of exercise, stress, fears, depression, disharmonious or hostile relations), which is always paralleled - to a greater or lesser extent - by a reduction in their immune system's capacity. The therapist needs to know about symptoms and diseases in order to make a decision on treatment. On the diagnostic side, testing methods such as kinesiology and bioresonance are gaining in importance because the microbiological determination of germs is difficult, time-consuming and expensive. For the purpose of accurately diagnosing illness due to infection, the organic signs of illness, properties of the germs, the different kinds of immune system reactions and the analyses of blood cell and immune parameters, advice on conservative therapy, special publications on medicinal microbiology should be consulted. 1. Bacteria living in anaerobic conditions, whether by choice or necessity Staphylococcus Clostridium Actinomyces Escherichia Klebsiella Salmonella Vibrio Bacteroides Neisseria Haemophilus For completeness, aerobic bacteria Streptococcus Campylobacter Enterococcus Bordetella Corynebacterium Brucella Bacillus Legionella Listeria Treponema Mycobacterium Leptospira Nocardia Borrelia Proteus Mykoplasma Shigella Rickettsia Pseudomonas Chlamydia 2. Oxygen-sensitive fungi Candida Cryptococcus Histoplasma For completeness, aerobic fungi Dermatophytes Epidermophyton Microsporum Trichophyton Sporothrix Penetrating fungi Aspergillus flavus, A.niger Blastomyces Coccodioides Pneumocystis 3. Parasites Protozoa (single cells) Metazoa (multiple cells) Cryptosporidium Helminthi Entamoeba Taenia Giardia Clonorchis Leishmania Paragonimus Plasmodium Schistisoma Toxoplasma Nematoda Trichomonas Enterobius Filaria Ancylostoma Necator Strongyloides Toxocara Trichinella Trichuris 4. Viruses Parvo Toga Papova Flavi Herpes Retro Adeno Rhabdo Hepadna Arena Picorna Reo (Rota) Orthomyxo Corona Priones 5. Tumour cells During the course of a research project sponsored by the world's largest foundation for natural healing - Karl und Veronica Carstens Foundation - the reactions of certain tumour cells were tested when they had contact with ozonides. The interesting result was a provoked apoptosis, i.e. genetically programmed cell death. The remarkable fact is that apoptosis took place even when the cancer protection gene p53 was present in the cells. Normally this gene protects the cell from being destroyed by immune factors. Normal cells are also lead into apoptosis but with a lower rate of reaction. So cancer cells can be targeted for destruction. Other cell activities were studied in numerous experiments in order to find some other kinds of pharmacological reactions, but no other reactions were found. So apoptosis is the only reaction which plays an important role. Cell death by apoptosis is welcome because the cells are erased without any inflammation reaction in the body. So ozonides are not only effective against bacteria, fungi, parasites and viruses but also against tumour cells. These cells are formed day by day in the human body and are normally removed by the immune system. Like germs, cancer cells have a chance to survive where physical or psychological health is disturbed. By absorbing ozonides the immune system is also supported in its fight against cancer cells. However there are no clinical studies of this aspect up to now. OZONIDE REMEDIES DESCRIPTION OF RIZOL MEDICINES There are 3 versions of ozonide remedies, named Rizol, which are all broad range, non-specific antibiotics based on vegetable oils, ozone and medicinal plants: 1. Rizol-Alt (Base substance produced from olive oil and castor oil in a special process which avoids the formation of toxic peroxides, the effective substance is called "long chain ozonide" (LCO). In a recent study, Rizol-Alt was proved to be non mutagenic, a very important result because LCO is a very convenient means for medically treating numerous infections. This study was based on OECD guidelines using mouse lymphoma cells as the target. Rizol-Alt does not attack the mitochondria of the human cells, so that the energy metabolism is unaffected. Rizol-Alt is fungicidal to Candida, Trichophyton and toxic to bacterial species, especially those growing strictly in anaerobic media such as Clostridium. Clostridia cannot be tolerated in the human body. Unfortunately Clostridia are necessarily resident in the human colon, they appear in increasing amounts when persons become older. 2. Rizol-Neu is formed by adding geranium oil and mint oil to Rizol-Alt. The advantages are pleasanter smell and taste, better dosage of drops, and broader efficacy against pathogenous germs. 3. Para-Rizol is formed by adding caryophyllis (clove) oil, juglandis (walnut) oil and absinthium (wormwood) oil to Rizol-Alt. This composition gives a very strong drug. If other means no longer work against bacteria, fungi and parasites due to resistance or immune system deficiency, Para-Rizol may overcome the germs and attack and remove parasites. All three added extracts are described as anti-parasitic in old and new drug literature, confirmed by experience with Para-Rizol. In a laboratory test a concentration of 2.0 mg/ml Para-Rizol destroyed 99 % of Schistosoma mansoni cercaria, the cause of bilharciosis, whereas 10.0 mg/ml Rizol-Alt was needed to destroy 100 %. General: In comparison with drug powders (Nystatin, leaf powders etc.) Rizol is an oily liquid which may be used as such on the skin. If used on the mucosa or internally, it must be mixed with water because it is not a harmless drug. Only one side effect is known: LCO is able to enhance the oxidation burst of lymphocytes. If an inflammation is already underway, it will be intensified, causing pain. On the other hand, by incorporating 1 drop only in water, Rizol can indicate the existence of an inflammation process if pain occurs. In this case, the patient has to be diagnosed carefully because he definitely has serious problems of which maybe he and his doctors were unaware. Due to its oily consistency and perfect adsorbing (moistening) properties Rizol is able to penetrate small wrinkles of the skin and of the mucosa, even in the intestine. Mixed with water it gives an emulsion which is stable for some hours, time enough to penetrate the intestine. It has capillary action and readily moistens surfaces whereas powders and hydrophobic drugs are not able to. Use of Rizol: In principle, a tolerance test should be conducted with very small amounts, especially if a person is supposed to suffer from allergic reactions. Do not use near the eyes. 1. External: both pure oil and water mixture possible. > Fungi on the skin, eczema. Apply daily for 3 weeks to 3 months. > Fungi of the nails: pure oil 3 to 6 months or longer, depending on persistence. Moisten twice daily. Warning: no version of Rizol should be used around the eyes. 2. Internal: for internal use, Rizol must be mixed with water, 1 to 10 drops in 100 g water. A) Hygiene of the mouth, throat, infection of tonsils, of gums. Efficacious against aerobic and anaerobic germs in mouth. Cleans sinuses when Rizol-Neu is inhaled from a bowl of hot water or when 2 drops are put onto the nasal mucous membrane with cotton buds. B) Mycosis of the vagina. Water mixture may cause smarting, but after a couple of days of repetitive usage, smarting decreases due to healing. Gut and colon should be cured. C) Fungi in the intestine (gut, small intestine), especially in the colon. Rizol works against flatulence causing fungi as well as putrefactive bacteria in the colon. Rizol-Neu is stronger than Rizol-Alt, Para-Rizol is much stronger against bacteria and fungi than Rizol-Neu. Dosage must be individually, ranging from 3 times 1 drop daily in water up to 3 times 15 drops in water before meals for 10 to 90 days. D) Para-Rizol works against parasites (of course against bacteria and fungi too). Rizol may be put in capsules, available from any pharmacy. A tolerance test is obligatory. In case of pain, usage must be stopped; water and medical charcoal given. Patient must then be diagnosed for cause of pain. A process is definitely active, in which case Rizol has done its work as indicator. Explanation of the antitoxic effect: A low concentration of oxygen must always exist in the colon. Oxygen levels decrease from the stomach towards the colon, but may never reach zero. If so, strictly anaerobic bacteria, such as clostridia, will proliferate producing toxic metabolic substances such as ammonia, biogene amines, sulphur compounds, mutagenic and carcinogenic substances. If the small intestine is colonised by bacteria from the colon, the bile acids are no longer resorbed in the lower part of the small intestine, thus penetrating the colon where they will be converted to carcinogenic substances by strictly anaerobic bacteria. High numbers of Clostridia are not to be tolerated. They should always be regarded as potent toxin generators. So microbiological analysis of the stool sheds most light on the state of the intestine. Removing strictly anaerobic, toxic bacteria from the colon is best done by giving an enema, using 5 g Rizol in 100 g water. Additional effects of Rizol on the intestine: A) It is able to cure constipation due to its oily consistency. (Constipation cannot be tolerated for many reasons). B) It is able to draw the pH down to 6.5. (Alkaline pH in the colon provides the basis for proliferation of toxic bacteria). C) It is able to change non physiologically anaerobic regions due to the release of small amounts of oxygen, a unique property of Rizol, in order to remove the breeding ground for toxic bacteria. When diluted, Rizol-Alt, Rizol-Neu and Para-Rizol were able to relieve pruritus even in cases of neurodermatitis. Results of treatment: Up to now Rizol has been prescribed by 200 therapists in Germany. The number is increasing and it has been used by about 5000 patients over a 5 year period. Results can be summarized as follows: Tolerance: 27 % very good. Positive effect: 37 % healing. 53 % good. 39 % on way to recovery. 2 % neutral. 14 % no effect. 7 % not good. 1 % unwanted effects. 10 % not tolerated. 9 % application abandoned. This means that in 80 % tolerance was good to very good, healing or recovery occurred in 76 % of all cases. Para-Rizol is the most effective drug; the effectiveness is based on the unique combination of the ingredients. It is able to remove parasites even from internal organs. 2 case studies: Recently a doctor suffered from bronchitis for 3 months. It could not be cured by any means. Then he took 3 tablespoons of Para-Rizol in water for 7 days and the disease vanished. On the other hand a woman took 15 drops 3 times a day from the first day on. She got eruptions and blisters on her hands and arms so she could not continue her work as a cosmetician for 2 weeks. The dosage was too high in the beginning and she experienced strong elimination of toxins through the skin. Para-Rizol triggers the release and output of toxins in the entire body, so dosage must begin carefully, 3 times 1 drop only, in water, before meals. If tolerated, the dosage may be increased up to 3 times 10 or 12 drops, in certain cases even higher. Due to its unique properties Para-Rizol is going to replace Rizol-Alt and Rizol-Neu. Most doctors use only Para-Rizol. Indications for Para-Rizol: Diagnosis of Candida and other fungi, parasites Pathogenous bacteria such as Clostridia in the intestine Paradontosis Hygiene of the oral cavity and the pharynx Chronic Fatigue syndrome Constipation Depression, slow working and thinking, slow reactions. Hyperactivity syndrome and other behavioural and personality disorders may be caused by parasites and their toxins when they reside in the CNS or in the brain after penetrating the blood/brain barrier. **************************************************
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Heiwa,
You're welcome. I bought a brand suggested by my doctor, but it's a German brand. I'm sure people from dr. K's office will have a brand of MSM to suggest you.
I bought two versions, one in powder, the other in capsules. The powder tastes very bitter, but I mixed it with chlorella and chlorella made the taste be more bearable (even though I hated the taste of chlorella, the mix is better). I used the capsules when I needed to take outside.
I muscle tested amounts, but I was ingesting MSM in soap spoons in my worst days of herxes! I guess, about 2 soapspoons a day or so.
I dropped MSM when most of the critters disappeared. I then continued with chlorella only for 'normal' herxes or maintenance.
NELSON, I think Biopure sells Rizols. I bought mine in the INK in Germany (dr. K's institute).
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Just wanted to add this to GiGi's post-it's from the same site:
"Note: Perform a tolerance test with 1 drop before starting a course of treatment. Use carefully in the event of allergy and inflammatory processes, cease treatment if evidence of intolerance. Do not use on the eyes or eyelids. Pregnant women should only use externally. Para-Rizol contains wormwood, which must not be ingested during pregnancy. Take care if used simultaneously with psychopharmaceuticals."
Just wanted to inform anyone who may be pregnant or taking psychopharmaceuticals that some information must have slipped through the editing.
Also noted "Additional effects of Rizol on the intestine: A) It is able to cure constipation due to its oily consistency. (Constipation cannot be tolerated for many reasons)."
Mineral Oil is also effective for constipation and can be gotten from any local pharmacy or grocery store. Heck-it's probably even sold at Dollar General. It's even safe for children to use.
Just wanted to offer an alternative for an alternative, from my own experience.
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Here's another more available alternative to the Rizol alternative for anyone interested:
Vinegar! Imagine that! Treats a lot of the same things,too.
Health Soothe a bee or jellyfish sting: Douse with vinegar. It will soothe irritation and relieve itching.
Relieve sunburn: Lightly rub white distilled or cider vinegar on skin. Reapply as needed.
Relieve dry and itchy skin: Add 2 tablespoons of vinegar to your bath water.
Fight dandruff: After shampooing, rinse with a solution of 1/2 cup vinegar and 2 cups of warm water.
Soothe a sore throat: Put a teaspoon of vinegar in a glass of water. Gargle, then swallow. For another great gargle: 1 cup hot water, 2 tablespoons honey, 1 teaspoon vinegar, gargle then drink.
Treat sinus infections and chest colds: Add 1/4 cup or more vinegar to the vaporizer. (Be sure to check vaporizer instructions for additional water measurement.)
Skin burns: Apply ice-cold vinegar right away for fast relief. Will prevent burn blisters.
Chest congestion: To clear up respiratory congestion, inhale a vapor mist from steaming pot containing water and several spoonfuls of vinegar.
Toenail fungus: Soak toes in a solution of vinegar and water, using 1 part vinegar to 2 parts water, 15 minutes per day.
Arthritis Relief Mix a teaspoon of half apple cider vinegar, half honey in a glass of water with a teaspoon of orange flavored Knox gelatin.
Lessen Morning Sickness Drink some apple cider vinegar in water, with honey added. This concoction can help calm a queasy stomach.
Stop Itching Apply a paste made from vinegar and cornstarch. Keep on until itch disappears.
Cleaning Heavily Soiled Hands Moisten cornmeal with apple cider vinegar. Scrub hands, rinse in cold water and pat dry.
Soft Feet Combine 1 cup white distilled vinegar to 2 gallons warm water. Soak feet for 45 minutes then use a pumice stone or file to remove dead skin from heels and callused areas of feet.
Wart Remover Mix lukewarm/warm water with a cup of white distilled vinegar. Immerse area with wart and soak 20 minutes everyday until wart disappears.
Bug Spray Combine equal amounts of water, white distilled vinegar and liquid dish soap in a spray bottle. Use on skin, as needed.
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heiwalove
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cobweb, i highly doubt that vinegar has much of an effect on lyme and coinfections. i highly doubt that if i were to swallow a splash of vinegar, that i would herx like i did with ONE DROP of ozonated rizol. go to the website and look at the ingredients. nothing too foreign, nothing too scary. i'm sure you recognize the herb artemisia, right? tell me in all seriousness that vinegar has the ability to kill babesia.
please don't debate the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of rizols on this thread. that was certainly not my intention in starting the thread and sharing my experience yesterday.
quote:Originally posted by heiwalove: cobweb, i highly doubt that vinegar has much of an effect on lyme and coinfections. i highly doubt that if i were to swallow a splash of vinegar, that i would herx like i did with ONE DROP of ozonated rizol. go to the website and look at the ingredients. nothing too foreign, nothing too scary. i'm sure you recognize the herb artemisia, right? tell me in all seriousness that vinegar has the ability to kill babesia.
please don't debate the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of rizols on this thread. that was certainly not my intention in starting the thread and sharing my experience yesterday.
I thought we were discussing alternatives?
Gigi's post brought up all sorts of other uses for Rizol.
If someone doesn't have access to Rizol for fungal infections, skin rashes, etc-I just thought they would like to know about Vinegar,too.
And yes I am taking Artemisinin, prescribed by my homeopathic LLMD. 200mg 2 x day on an empty stomach-three weeks on, one week off.
I have an appointment with her on Wed. I'll find out what her take is on Rizol and get back to you.
And no ,she did not suggest Vinegar for babesia-but maybe I'll ask her about that,too.
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And now that GiGi has brought up MSM I thought I would add this to the mix.
"MSM (which stands for methylsulfonylmethane), was already selling briskly, and with added publicity from Coburn, sales have boomed. Hundreds of vendors market it for a range of ailments including pain and/or inflammation from rheumatoid arthritis (RA), osteoarthritis (OA), fibromyalgia and gout; and to correct constipation, relieve allergies, control stomach acidity and - believe it or not - stop snoring.
However, there's not much on which to base these claims: There are numerous testimonials, but little hard scientific data on MSM's safety or benefits. ``How can we say if it's safe or not - much less, if it works?'' asks David Pisetsky, MD, chief of rheumatology at Duke University Medical Center and an arthritis researcher. ``We just don't know enough about it.''
Stanley Jacob, MD, the doctor who developed MSM, acknowledges that the ``arthritis cure'' claims are over-hyped. While Dr. Jacob stands by the many benefits of MSM, he is quick to point out that it's not a ``cure.''
``I don't know of a single disease that MSM cures. We are not curing arthritis - I want that understood,'' says Dr. Jacob. He says MSM's major benefit for those with OA and RA is pain relief: It hasn't been shown to repair or preserve cartilage or to modify or stop progression or joint destruction caused by autoimmune types of arthritis, and its effects last only as long as the supplement is taken.
Some rheumatologists are suspicious of MSM because of its relationship to DMSO - a substance that has stirred controversy since the 1960s. MSM is a sulfur compound plentiful in fresh fruits and vegetables, milk, fish and grains, but quickly destroyed when foods are processed. Vendors say MSM boosts sulfur levels; they also say it is a ``natural'' product, but the supplement being sold is actually a chemical compound made from DMSO.
What's the real story on MSM? We had to look at the history of DMSO to find some answers.
The Mother Compound DMSO (which stands for dimethyl sulfoxide) is a versatile compound with many uses and a checkered past.
It is both a prescription drug and an industrial solvent. It's formed as a byproduct of wood pulp processing; its use is determined by the quality: You will find industrial-grade DMSO in paint thinner and antifreeze, and medical-grade DMSO in many medical laboratories. Its industrial usefulness comes from its remarkable solvent qualities, and much of its medical value from its ability to transport other substances through cell membranes. It is also reported to have anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties.
Medical-grade DMSO is safe, and is widely used in medical processes. DMSO is the chemical used to protect human tissue (such as bone marrow, stem cells and embryos) when frozen for storage. It's also an FDA-approved prescription drug (called Rimso) given by catheter for interstitial cystitis, a painful bladder condition.
Dr. Jacob says thousands of scientific papers have been published about DMSO's chemistry, including test tube, animal and human studies. Some have shown DMSO can relieve muscle and joint pain; reduce inflammation; soften collagen to relieve scleroderma symptoms; help heal skin ulcers caused by diabetes and scleroderma; and relieve blood vessel constrictions common to Raynaud's phenomenon. Other research has suggested it may help prevent brain damage after stroke or head injuries. And it appears to have few side effects, even at very high dosages.
DMSO is approved for use in many other countries for arthritis and related conditions. In fact, a new drug, combining DMSO with the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) diclofenac is being considered by the FDA for approval as a prescription topical NSAID (see ``A Stronger Topical NSAID'').
So why the controversy?
DMSO: Why the Controversy? The controversial history of DMSO begins with Dr. Jacob, a Harvard-trained surgeon with an endowed chair at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU), where he has a special clinic for the use of DMSO.
In the early 1960s, Dr. Jacob headed the organ transplant program at OHSU and was looking for a substance to preserve organs being stored for transplant when he stumbled across DMSO. Further research uncovered DMSO's medical uses, and it was soon being hailed as a wonder drug.
But in the mid-'60s, DMSO fell out of favor with the FDA during its testing phase when an animal study, using high doses, showed changes in the lens of the eye. (There have, however, been no reports of problems with eyes of participants in human studies.)
DMSO's ability as a solvent to transport molecules across cell membranes was also a potential problem. It meant that when used topically DMSO could carry anything - including toxins - straight through the skin and directly into the body.
DMSO also has a harmless but unpleasant side effect: Taken internally or even used externally, it causes a bad taste in the mouth and makes those who use it smell like garlic or oysters.
And so medical-grade DMSO faded from the consumer marketplace. Its reputation was further sullied as reports of bad reactions from arthritis patients who had used industrial-grade products bought at roadside stands or gas stations came to light.
Nonetheless, DMSO was approved in 1978 as the prescription drug Rimso for interstitial cystitis. Because medical-grade DMSO is an approved prescription drug (although only for one use), it can't legally be sold over the counter or as a dietary supplement. Therefore, most of the DMSO people have been trying for the past 30 years has been the same quality used in industrial solvents - in other words, unfit for human use - and doctors have been rightly suspicious of these products.
Enter MSM Meanwhile, as Dr. Jacob and other researchers at OHSU continued to study DMSO, they found that 15 percent of DMSO was broken down into another sulfur compound in the human body. The compound, which they called MSM, had many of the helpful qualities of DMSO, with some distinct advantages: It lacked the distinctive oyster-garlic smell; it didn't have the sullied history of DMSO; and it could be sold directly to consumers as a dietary supplement.
But it also lacked research: Unlike DMSO, which has many published studies and evidence of safety, there was little scientific evidence for or against MSM. Animal studies found MSM eased RA-like symptoms in mice, and it prolonged life for mice with a condition similar to lupus nephritis.
But even now, there are no scientifically accepted human studies, and what works in animals doesn't always work in humans. Dr. Jacob and others have conducted human studies that they say show MSM relieves the pain of OA and other conditions. However, these studies are not published in peer-reviewed medical journals, and there is a potential conflict of interest: Dr. Jacob also serves as medical director for a company that produces and sells MSM.
Dr. Jacob contends MSM does not need research because the DMSO studies can be applied to this breakdown product. He also says MSM is safe, citing animal toxicology studies from manufacturers.
What Rheumatologists Say The rheumatologists we interviewed consider MSM an unproven remedy. So far, MSM shows most promise as a pain reliever. As for DMSO, rheumatologists don't know much about the scientific evidence and were skeptical, and patients said they don't like the oyster-garlic smell.
A handful of rheumatologists are cautiously recommending MSM. Kenneth Nyman, MD, a rheumatologist and internal medicine specialist in Tarzana, Calif., recommends MSM for OA and for pain, but not as a substitute for prescription arthritis drugs. ``My patients with aggressive RA need aggressive treatment with proven disease-modifying drugs,'' he says. ``I use MSM in conjunction with those drugs.'' (Dr. Nyman has no financial involvement in MSM.)
But some physicians are concerned that MSM may interfere with other drugs and cause complications. ``MSM is a real mystery,'' says Ronenn Roubenoff, MD, a rheumatologist and nutritional expert at Tufts University/ New England Medical School. Sulfur compounds, like those in MSM, are ``very active in the body and can have powerful effects,'' he says. ``We really don't know what the effects will be over time,'' he says.
``MSM is worth clinical trials,'' says Dr. Roubenoff. ``We need to keep an open mind, and not just reject things out of hand. But we also shouldn't give up the scientific method just because there is a lot of hype about a product. It needs to be tested.''
Bottom line: MSM may be safe, but there is no convincing scientific evidence it helps arthritis. And DMSO may help with a number of arthritis-related conditions, but it is not safe for consumers to use products available on the open market. "
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Sorry ,I forgot to mention that the above article was written by the Arthritis Foundation.
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Is there a better brand of Chlorella to use?
I have gone way downhill since having three contrast dyes injected into me for various testing ( I have a tumor unrelated to lyme, tends to run in my family as Polycystic Kidney Disease). And then, I did the ultimate, dyed my hair. Good grief, the headaches since have been unbearable.
Someone else told me to use Chlorella to detox this stuff out of me. When I looked it up, some just have green algea, water and gelatin, while other chlorella makers have much more "stuff in it".
Any advice?
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mojo
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I take a brand called E Lyte as recommended by my Lyme Doc. I think it's very good.
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heiwalove
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i would recommend biopure; though it is expensive, and i won't always be able to use them because of the price.
quote:Originally posted by heiwalove: i would recommend biopure; though it is expensive, and I won't always be able to use them because of the price.
Meanwhile, until you can afford the biopure here is some information from:
World Movement of Direct Help to the Poor
Apple Cider Vinegar: It is amongst the oldest of foods and medicines know to man. For its healing ways, vinegar has been used for thousands of years. In 400 B.C, Hypocrites, known as the father of medicine, treated patients with vinegar, making it one of the world's first medicines. Throughout biblical times, vinegar was successfully used to treat infections and wounds. For centuries medical textbooks have listed various ways to use vinegar. These uses include everything from keeping a sharp mind to purifying the waters of the body and to easing pain and alleviating dozens of other ailments. Modern laboratory analysis verifies the antibacterial and antiseptic properties of vinegar. Many of the old-time uses are just as applicable now as they were centuries ago.
Apple Cider vinegar is probably the best detoxifier for the body.
The amino acids present in apple cider vinegar act as an antibiotic and an antiseptic. It has been known to drastically reduce the toxicity in the body. This is because the acetic acid is able to form acetate compounds, which are not so toxic.
Apple cider vinegar is one of the most important natural remedies in healing the body.
I know my pockets are empty too-that's why I always appreciate the less expensive alternatives.
Please note if using apple cider vinegar-it too has to be diluted in water, or taken in a teaspoon with honey.
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GiGi, I can't read that article - my eyes just swim in all the blended text. I know that's not your fault.......
My `herxes' appear to come primarily in the form of heart palpitations, flutters, and a feeling like my heart is large enough to cause a lump in my esophagus. These are the symptoms I would get from taking Samento or Cumanda, so I assume they are herxes.
A couple of days ago, I woke up with my heart doing these crazy things - no known cause. Lying down helped the most. I took about 17 chlorella tablets to see what would happen..... earlier this month I thought chlorella was actually causing my heart to go crazy so this was a little spooky for me.
Nothing. Nada. No better, no worse. This problem persisted all day no matter what I did.
I didn't take any of my usual supplements that day, in case that was causing the problem.
The next morning, I still had the problem, and I took my usual 3 capsules of Strontium Citrate (about 2,200 mg.). Within 30 minutes, 90% of the heart issues went away and stayed away!!!
???? The strontium is a new supplement for me, so I have no clue as to why this happened.
Cobby, I don't think vinegar can bind circulating metals which are often released during die-off.
And speaking of warnings......
Mineral Oil is a petroleum product and if used often, it can cause deficiencies of vitamins like A, D, E and K. (Castor oil can also lead to serious problems if it's used regularly.)
If mineral oil is accidentally aspirated (breathed into the lungs), it can cause a serious type of pneumonia (foreign-body pneumonia).
Older adults, small children and animals, or anyone who might have trouble swallowing generally shouldn't use this type of laxative.
While mineral oil and castor oil may have their place as laxatives, they shouldn't be used often.
I would certainly try something else first before I resorted to Mineral Oil (George's Aloe Vera Juice, high-lignan flax oil, grapeseed oil, etc.)
A warning on a veterinary website about Mineral Oil:
``Not recommended for frequent or extended use. Continuous or too frequent use may interfere with absorption of fat-soluble vitamins and other nutrients.
``Use great care to avoid getting into the respiratory tract (wind-pipe and lungs).
``Accidental introduction into the respiratory tract can result in serious complications, including foreign body pneumonia.''
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: And speaking of warnings......
Mineral Oil is a petroleum product and if used often, it can cause deficiencies of vitamins like A, D, E and K. (Castor oil can also lead to serious problems if it's used regularly.)
If mineral oil is accidentally aspirated (breathed into the lungs), it can cause a serious type of pneumonia (foreign-body pneumonia).
Older adults, small children and animals, or anyone who might have trouble swallowing generally shouldn't use this type of laxative.
While mineral oil and castor oil may have their place as laxatives, they shouldn't be used often.
I would certainly try something else first before I resorted to Mineral Oil (George's Aloe Vera Juice, high-lignan flax oil, grapeseed oil, etc.)
A warning on a veterinary website about Mineral Oil:
``Not recommended for frequent or extended use. Continuous or too frequent use may interfere with absorption of fat-soluble vitamins and other nutrients.
``Use great care to avoid getting into the respiratory tract (wind-pipe and lungs).
``Accidental introduction into the respiratory tract can result in serious complications, including foreign body pneumonia.''
I know , that's why I was sure to include it in my text-quote unquote: posted 29 October, 2007 11:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- more on mineral oil:
"a clear, colourless, oily liquid that is a by-product of the distillation of petroleum. Mineral oil is used in medicine as a laxative and as an emollient. Given orally, it coats the bowel and softens the stool mass, thus easing the latter's passage.
Mineral oil is completely indigestible and is not absorbed by the intestine. Its prolonged use may cause vitamin deficiencies," ...
so beware, and use sparingly-which I do."
Thanks for expanding it. I used brevity because I was concerned people would stop reading if there was too much to read. So I kept it short and simple.
Aspirated Pneumonia-I am well familiar with the term.
One of my children died from aspirated pneumonia-and it wasn't mineral oil because I was not using it with her. She had cerebral palsy-and difficulty swallowing.
Anything we put in our mouths can result inaspirated pneumonia. Maybe we should all get g-tubes! Not kidding.
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