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Gromit7717
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In 2003 I had a gastric bypass, in 2006 I had
emergency small bowel resection surgery due to
adhesions which removed 60% of the small
intestines.

In 2007 I had a blood transfusion and then iron by I.V. infusions for 2 months as my hemoglobin count had gotten down to 6 (it should
have been between 12.5 and 15.5).

Then in October 2007 the bumps on my thighs showed up and my life has been a living hell since then.

By the end of Nov 07, the ``bumps'' had turned to
painful, itchy, lesions that appeared deep and un-
healing.

By mid Dec numerous lesions were on both
of my thighs, stomach, neck, face, and both
forearms with my lips fully inflamed too. A few
lesions were noticed on my ankles, top of feet,
top of toes, top of fingers, in the cuticles on
both hands, one ear lobe, both shins, both
elbows, and the back of my neck.

Since June 2007, all monthly lab results have
normal readings except for two areas:

``White Blood Cell Count'' which is usually in the high ranges around 13.0 (s/b 3.80 - 10.80), and
the ``Absolute Neutrophils'' has been in the high
ranges around 10,965 (s/b 1,500 - 7,800).


UPDATE FOR RECENT LAB RESULTS:............

The lab results for Feb 08 showed WBC at 11.4,
Absolute Neutrophils at 8,247 and the Western
Blot Test only showed ``Reactive'' for Band 41
(IGM).

The lab results for Apr 24, 08 showed WBC at
12.8, Absolute Neutrophils at 9,177 and the
Western Blot Test showed ``Reactive'' for (IGM)
Band 41 & Band 23 resulting in a ``Positive''
reading for B. Burgdorferi AB.

For some reason my doctor thinks this is a false
positive. I think since I have had this ``Illness''
for so many months this result is either correct
or is indicating there is something I haven't
been tested for causing this test to show a
reactive result.

What do you think?

For the past 2 months I had been on Cephalexin
500mg 3 times daily and Triamcinolone/Sarna 1:2
ointment to apply to all skin areas 3 times
daily.

Doc stopped these two on 04/28 and placed
me on Bactrim DS 800mg taking one tablet twice a
day and Cloderm ointment to apply 3 times per day.

I am taking 5 times the normal recommended daily
amounts for all ``B'' vitamins and I take 5 multi-
vitamins so my body will at least absorb some of
this.

Doctor said I need to go to the Mayo Clinic and
see a Rheumatologist and a Gastroenterologist for
evaluation and treatment.

[confused]

[ 30. April 2008, 08:42 AM: Message edited by: Gromit7717 ]

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I am pretty new to this site. I suspect that more knowledgeable people will be responding to your post shortly.

Having said that, I would never in a million years rule out Lyme or related coinfections as the cause of your symptoms at this point.

I'd be very wary of a doctor that says your Lyme results are false positive without being able to definitively tell you what your condition is AND successfully treat it.

I would invest in an LLMD at this point.

I had unusual symptoms as well.

I'll be interested to hear what others have to say.

Good luck to you.

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I would find an LLMD for diagnosis.

False positives are very rare and unlikely.

I would not go to Mayo for anything to do with Lyme Disease.

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Gromit7717
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Why would you avoid Mayo? Do you know what they do there? Any info is appreciated!!!
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The Mayo Clinic - I wouldn't trust these clowns to take out my garbage.


Robin Patel,1,4 Karen L. Grogg,2 William D. Edwards,2 Alan J. Wright,1 and
Nina M. Schwenk3
1Divisions of Infectious Diseases, 2Anatomic Pathology, 3Area General
Internal Medicine, and 4Clinical Microbiology, Mayo Clinic and Foundation,
Rochester, Minnesota

A 30-year-old woman died as a result of a large Candida parapsilosis septic
thrombus located on the tip of a Groshong catheter. The catheter had been in
place for 28 months for administration of a 27 month course of intravenous
cefotaxime for an unsubstantiated diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease.

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Reprints or correspondence: Dr. Robin Patel, Divisions of Infectious
Diseases and Clinical Microbiology, Mayo Clinic, 200 First St. SW,
Rochester, MN 55905 ([email protected]).

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A 30-year-old woman was admitted to the Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN) in May 1999 following a grand mal seizure.

She reported a several-week history of anorexia that was accompanied by a 23-kg weight loss over an 8-month period; 4 days before admission, she noticed twitching of her upper extremities. She appeared ill and had a blood pressure of 124/82 mm Hg, a pulse rate of 85, a temperature of 37�C, and a respiratory rate of 20.

The patient was confused and unable to provide a coherent history. She was icteric and had diffuse myoclonus. Cardiac auscultation revealed a prominent pulmonic second sound. A Groshong catheter was in place. Hepatosplenomegaly
was noted.

Her family provided a pertinent medical history. She had had a history of bilateral knee pain since childhood. She resided in Iowa; however, she had lived in Westchester County, New York, until the age of 16 years and in northern California for a short period thereafter.

In 1994, she underwent cholecystectomy and since that time she had had chronic abdominal pain,
whole body pain, an episode of Bell's palsy, occasional headaches, and periods of what were described as "mental fogginess" and "transient numbness."

She also reportedly had a periodic rash that was thought to be a possible "Lyme rash." In 1996, she was evaluated by an infectious diseases
physician in New York who specializes in chronic Lyme disease and was diagnosed with chronic Lyme disease.

This diagnosis was made despite 6 EIAs
negative for Borrelia burgdorferi, 7 Western blot assays negative or indeterminate for B. burgdorferi, and 4 PCR assays of blood, 5 PCR assays of urine, and 1 PCR assay of CSF, all negative for B. burgdorferi.

MRI of the brain, as well as CSF examination, had been unremarkable in 1996.

One PCR assay of blood for the ospA gene (Boston Biomedica Inc., New Britain, CT) was reportedly positive in January 1997.

She was initially treated with oral doxycycline, and then, for an 8-month period (19951996), she was treated with iv ceftriaxone; this treatment was followed by courses of oral clarithromycin and minocycline as well as parenteral penicillin G benzathine.

A Groshong catheter was placed in January 1997, and a prolonged course of therapy with iv cefotaxime (up to 4 g every 8 h) was started.

Intravenous doxycycline (300 mg every 12 h) was
added to this therapeutic regimen in 1998. The patient reported only partial relief of her chronic symptoms during administration of this antibiotic regimen.

Therapy with iv antibiotics was discontinued 1 month before evaluation at our institution, when a family physician noted abnormal results of liver function tests and thrombocytopenia.

Another infectious diseases physician was consulted; this physician thought that the patient did not have chronic Lyme disease.

The patient was also being treated for chronic diffuse body pain, with several pain medications, including sustained release morphine sulfate (300 mg t.i.d.) and immediate release morphine sulfate (45 mg/d), according to
the recommendations of a fourth physician in Illinois.

At our institution, laboratory tests revealed the following abnormal results: hemoglobin level, 6.3 g/dL; WBC count, 2.2 � 109 cells/L; platelet count, 16 � 109 cells/L; rare schistocytes and helmet cells on a peripheral
blood smear; prothrombin time, 19.9 s; alkaline phosphatase level, 435 U/L; aspartate aminotransferase level, 131 U/L; bilirubin level, 5.2 mg/dL; and creatinine level, 6.5 mg/dL.

In our laboratory, EIA was reactive for B. burgdorferi, but a Western blot assay showed only 1 66-kDa band

CSF examination was unremarkable, and PCR assay of CSF was negative for B. burgdorferi.

One day after admission, the patient reportedly became confused, and she fell, pulled and fractured her Groshong catheter, and became
unresponsive. Electromechanical dissociation was diagnosed, and she died despite aggressive attempts at resuscitation.

After her death, cultures of blood obtained at the time of admission yielded Candida parapsilosis.

Postmortem examination revealed acute fatal obstruction of the tricuspid valve orifice by a large infected thrombus located on the
fractured tip of her Groshong catheter (figure 1).

Grocott-Gomori methenaminesilver nitrate staining of microscopic sections of the thrombus
revealed extensive Candida organisms (figure 2).

Other significant findings at autopsy included an old Candida-infected pulmonary thromboembolus with total occlusion of the left main artery at the hilum as well as scattered old peripheral emboli bilaterally. Marked splenomegaly with reactive follicular hyperplasia and congestion were noted.

At autopsy, there was no myositis, neuritis, meningitis, vasculitis, or myocarditis suggestive of chronic Lyme disease.

Figure 1. Opened right atrium from a patient who died because of inappropriate therapy for Lyme disease. The photo shows a large infected
thrombus on the fractured tip of the patient's Groshong catheter.

Figure 2. Stained section of a right atrial thrombus in a patient who died because of inappropriate therapy for Lyme disease. The photomicrograph shows extensive Candida species (Grocott-Gomori methenaminesilver nitrate
stain; original magnification, � 360).

The premature death of our patient resulted from a complication of her chronic indwelling central venous catheter, which was used for prolonged iv
administration of antimicrobial therapy for a disease that was not fully documented.

Lyme disease is curable with antibiotic treatment, and, although resolution of true neurological complications of Lyme disease may be slow after appropriate therapy, there is no evidence that our patient ever had Lyme disease.

Her chronic symptoms were nonspecific, and results of her laboratory tests were nondiagnostic and did not fit the criteria for Lyme disease [1].

Furthermore, chronic antibiotic therapy, such as that described here, is never indicated for Lyme disease, and such therapy has a significant risk of side effects. Even in cases of clear-cut Lyme disease, abnormal test results return to baseline with no measurable sequelae after
appropriate treatment [2].

Lyme disease is primarily a clinical syndrome confirmed by microbiological tests [3, 4]. For our patient, the diagnosis of Lyme disease
was made despite negative or indeterminate results of Western blot assays,
perhaps because the presence of only 1 or 2 highly specific bands on a Western blot was considered a potential harbinger of further expansion over time [5].

We are of the opinion that acceptable diagnostic criteria for Lyme disease include the presence of multiple bands of specific molecular weight
and that the serological analysis of the patient described here did not confirm a diagnosis of Lyme disease [3].

Notably, in our laboratory, a Western blot assay showed only 1 66-kDa band, thereby revealing no expansion over time.

The 1 positive PCR assay is intriguing, but this finding may have been the result of DNA contamination.

It has been suggested that B. burgdorferi infection may trigger parainfectious pain or fatigue syndromes, which may persist indefinitely after eradication of the spirochete by antimicrobial therapy.

In addition, fibromyalgia, chronic pain syndromes, and chronic fatigue syndrome may be
incorrectly diagnosed as chronic Lyme disease [1, 6].

Patients with these disorders have disabling and generalized symptoms, including marked fatigue,
severe headache, widespread musculoskeletal pain, multiple symmetrical tender points in characteristic locations, pain and stiffness in many joints, dysesthesias, paresthesias, difficulty with concentration, memory
loss, and sleep disturbances; their symptoms are not relieved with antimicrobial therapy [1, 68].

Of 788 patients referred to the New England Medical Center (Boston) with a presumptive diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease, 23% had active Lyme disease, 20% had previous Lyme disease and another current illness (most
commonly chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia), and 57% did not have
Lyme disease (patients in this last group most commonly had fatigue or pain syndromes) [1].

In another study [7], of 209 patients referred to the Yale University Lyme Clinic (New Haven, CT) with a presumptive diagnosis of Lyme
disease, 21% had active Lyme disease, 19% had previous but not active Lyme disease, and 60% had no evidence of current or previous Lyme disease.

Patients with no evidence of Lyme disease had a median of 4 serological tests for Lyme disease, 7 office visits, and 42 days of antibiotic treatment for Lyme disease and were noted to have high levels of disability and distress.

Appropriate treatment of Lyme disease has been associated with complications (e.g., ceftriaxone-associated biliary complications, iv
catheterassociated gram-positive and gram-negative bacterial bloodstream infections, and Clostridium difficileassociated diarrhea).
Ceftriaxone-associated biliary complications have been described in patients receiving ceftriaxone therapy for unsubstantiated diagnoses of Lyme disease [9].

Inappropriate antimicrobial therapy for Lyme disease has also been associated with septic thrombophlebitis, neutropenia, serum sickness, and antibiotic-associated colitis [7].

Overall, empirical treatment with iv antibiotics of patients with nonspecific chronic fatigue or myalgia, based on positive serological results alone, has been determined to result in many
more instances of antibiotic toxicity than cures of atypically symptomatic true Lyme disease [10].

The cost associated with prolonged parenteral therapy can be substantial [10].

The potential for emergence of antimicrobial-resistant bacteria exists with prolonged courses of antimicrobial therapy.

Furthermore, the opportunity costs of
administering prolonged courses of inappropriate parenteral antimicrobial therapy are enormous.

In a study of 30 pediatric patients referred to the Lyme Disease Center at Robert Wood
Johnson Medical School (New Brunswick, NJ) for evaluation of ongoing Lyme arthritis who were ultimately diagnosed with fibromyalgia, it was noted that many of the children had been subjected to unnecessary antibiotic therapy,
many had missed prolonged periods of school (up to 9 months), and some required home tutoring [11].

Many patients with nonspecific complaints seek an explanation for their fatigue, pain, and mental fogginess [12]. Patients may be more willing to accept a diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease than an alternative diagnosis
because Lyme disease is a "real," potentially curable disease [12].

For some patients, a diagnosis of Lyme disease may be an acceptable end to a search for an explanation of their symptoms; in such a setting, seronegativity may not be viewed as evidence against the diagnosis [12].

Incorrect physician diagnoses, as opposed to self-diagnoses, of chronic Lyme disease may
contribute to depression and stress when symptoms do not abate despite protracted courses of antimicrobial therapy [7].

Survey data show that 38% of physicians would recommend >6 months of antibiotic therapy for chronic Lyme disease, and that the most frequently recommended antimicrobial agent
for the treatment of chronic Lyme disease would be iv ceftriaxone [13].

The relative ease of administering prolonged courses of iv antimicrobial regimens in the current era has undoubtedly impacted this practice.

Our case report and review of the literature validate the position of the American College of Rheumatology and the Council of the Infectious
Diseases Society of America [14], both of which try to discourage the use of antibiotics for a patient with a nonspecific clinical presentation who does not meet the criteria for the case definition standard accepted for Lyme
disease.

The use of prolonged high-dose iv antimicrobial therapy for our patient's chronic symptoms of mental fogginess, poor memory, chronic fatigue, and body numbness and pain was, in our opinion, unwarranted and ultimately led to her death.

References

1. Steere AC, Taylor E, McHugh GL, Logigian EL. The overdiagnosis of Lyme
disease. JAMA 1993; 269:18126. First citation in article | PubMed
2. Seltzer EG, Gerber MA, Cartter ML, Freudigman K, Shapiro ED. Long-term

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Thats pathotic, Even I could see the cand coming. Thats why I would just of given her IM bicl. OMG, fatigue could presist forever? Great. Should I try for disability now?
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7717, NO, do NOT go to mayo clinic, minnesota; they do NOT believe in chronic lyme disease and treat for it.


many members have spent over $100,000 OUT OF POCKET going there with no diagnosis and NO RESULTS!


great job editing your post!!! big thanks! i'm unable to give any answers, but this will put it on top for our daily readers/repliers!!


glad you found us for help though! [group hug] [kiss]

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Gromit, Mayo does not believe chronic Lyme exists.

Check out this website .... there is a movie trailer, which only touches on the debate about Lyme Disease within the medical community. www.underourskin.com

Also check out www.ilads.org

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My LLMD told me the other day that a Mayo doc had essentially

told him he would lose his job if he ever diagnosed Lyme.

I kid you not; those guys are butchers. If you want to see

an LLMD in the upper midwest, PM me and I'll give you the

info of my doc (he takes insurance.)

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