LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » starting babs tx soon, what should we expect?

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: starting babs tx soon, what should we expect?
lymemommy
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 12495

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymemommy     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi everyone,

We saw the LLMD last night, and based on continuing night sweats, and the resurgence of behavioral sx, we well be starting with babs treatment for our son.

On one hand, I'm optomistic about hitting yet another infection, but at the same time we are anxious about what the treatment experience will bring to us.

I'm hoping someone out there can give us the low down, so we can at least be psychologically prepared for what is about to come.

Also we have a timing issue, treatment will be starting one week before a planned trip to disney, would it be best to wait until we return, before commencing tx?

Thanks for your guidance,
kp

Posts: 394 | From tinton falls nj | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
painted turtle
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 7801

Icon 1 posted      Profile for painted turtle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Lymemommy,

I would wait.

Because the treatment is really hard.

The most significant problem I ran into was the heart issues and increased shortness of breath.

I could not vacum half a room.

My heart felt really swollen during that treatment.

Psychologically, there is always the frustration and the confusion. Sometimes the despair. I think it might depend on what his psychological manifestations already are.

--------------------
www.lymefire.blogspot.com

Posts: 855 | From United States of Mind | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lymemommy
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 12495

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymemommy     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
painted turtle,

Thank you for the advice.

I did a search on the medication that he is going to be taking, and saw a lot of the same, so now of course I'm nervous as all get out.

The course of his symptoms has been a funky zigzag. First the classic lyme sx, tired, headaches, legs to tired to walk, angry, knee pain, whole body hurt, down right belligerent, ect.

over time, the physical faded, then it was almost pure psych: we had bouts of ocd, hyper activity mixed in with tiredness, that proesented almost like bipolar, threatening statements (like I'm going to cut you into pieces) aggression towards his sibling.

Then a med change (taken off of zith), psych symptoms did a total flip, went to episodes of emotional fragility ie: cried easily, and a return of physical symptoms, felt like he was being stung by bees, episodes of too tired to walk, bad stomach aches, head aches.

Put back on zith, belligerance, physical aggression, and mild treatening statements are returning.

Through all of this, he has had encopresis(BM incontinence) which has responded to some degree to the zith, and night sweats almost every night since he was dx'd with lyme. Prior to Dx, he ran high fevers for 9 days (105).

I'm having a hard time imagining the behavioral stff getting much worse, unless he starts assaulting us on a daily basis.

Ugghhh. So far he is CDC positive for lyme, and subseqently diagnosed with bart and now babs.

I know that we are fortunate that he isn't as sick as many other kids get, but I guess it's kind of like being glad that your outside in a tumultuous downpouring storm, rather than out in a hurricane.

Any words of wisdom on survival, for our little one, and for us, are always welcome.

kp

Posts: 394 | From tinton falls nj | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
painted turtle
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 7801

Icon 1 posted      Profile for painted turtle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
kp,

That kind of zigzag sounds familiar.

The best advice I can offer is to be really observant and clear on when it may seem to be too much,

That is, when you might need to ease up on dosage if it gets too out of hand.

I remember this mostly during bicillin/flagyl when I got dangerously suicidal.

I don't remember exactly the exact emotional etc. responses with the babesia treatment,

But there was a very overwhelming amount of crying and pain.

Prior to babs treatment and during lyme treatment, there was more of the rage.

I honestly don't know how loved ones do it. Witness such drastic changes in someone you love.

I am sure it requires saintly patience and understanding.

It's the disease. Not the person. It took me a really long time to realize that much!

Who knows, the worst of it could be over for him! It's impossible to predict.

And I don't know if duration of time infected before diagnosis makes a difference in outcome or treatment prognosis.

Good luck to you.

--------------------
www.lymefire.blogspot.com

Posts: 855 | From United States of Mind | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
daise
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi Lymemommy,

He's very ill.

I'd be crabby, too, if the people around me pushed me into doing things I was not capable of, or which would be a trial.

And now you want to haul him off to Disneyland?

He is ill.

You put psych problems on his head? My God!

Be a mom.

Give that child a break. He needs rest. He needs understanding. Most of all he needs to have his mommy in this corner.

daise [Smile]

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
justwondering
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 12813

Icon 1 posted      Profile for justwondering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I agree with Painted Turtle.

Very very tough during Babs treatment.

Major chest and heart issues. Major.

I am so sorry your son has to go undergo the treatment. As a Mom, I know how hard it would be for you and for your child.


Post about his progress, please!

Jackie

Posts: 209 | From maryland | Registered: Aug 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
AZURE WISH
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 804

Icon 1 posted      Profile for AZURE WISH     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I am so sorry your son (and your family) has to endure all this.

For me the babs herxes have been much worse than the lyme. For me i think increased shortness of breath, palpatations, high heart rate, lightheaded/dizzy (sometimes with nausea), coordination and ballance issues, weakness, tremors, headaches is all babs related. but this is mostly my guess cuz i also have lyme but to me it seems like these symptoms are more babs.

I hope you, your son, and the rest of your family have fun at disney. hopefully he is well enough to have some fun and be a kid and the whole family can be distracted from the illness.

Best wishes [group hug]

--------------------
multiple chemical sensitvity group:
http://www.lymefriends.com/group/multiplechemicalsensitivities

Group for artists. All media welcome:
http://www.lymefriends.com/group/creativecorner


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Artist

Posts: 3860 | From nj,usa | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lymemommy
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 12495

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymemommy     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thank you for your feedback everyone.

Ouch Daise!!

Please understand that my description of the course of my son's illness covers what we have been through over the past year.

I would never dream of taking my son to Disney, or anywhere else for that matter if I didn't think that he could handle it.

His symptoms, physical and emotional, have always been transitory, by that I mean they come briefly, then he's ok. (like most people, when I talk about illness, I talk about the bad stuff, and forget to mention the good parts that come in between the bad moments).

He has not had any physical symptoms in close to a month. The behavioral stuff is just starting up again, and is relatively mild at this point, the night sweats never stopped.

We thoought that things were starting to clear up, but the recent resurgence of moodiness and mild agression, coupled with the night sweats, has led his doc to believe that there is something more going on.

I have to be honest, it hurts to have someone come down on you because you ask for help, in trying to be there for your child.

I love my child very much, and would not do anything to hurt him or make this harder on him.

It has been hard enough already.

Thank you to everyone else for your words of wisdom.

kp

Posts: 394 | From tinton falls nj | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
mtree
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 14305

Icon 1 posted      Profile for mtree     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Kp....

Take that little boy to Disney!!..... [Cool]
I'm sure even with that trip you'll know how well he'll be able to handle the days adventure....

it might just be a good thing for the family....and for him...especialy if he is having "good" moments....

ya still need to grab on to those happy times...when you can....unfortunatly the illness will go with you....but just take it along....and make the best out of it....

maybe you could wait until you get back to treat....
ask his doctor.... [confused]

[Smile] mtree

ps..... I have "listened" to you talk about your son on several posts...I know your a great mom and would do only whats best for your little guy... [group hug]

--------------------
worrying about tomorrow takes its strength away from today

Posts: 970 | From Point PLeasant , NJ | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lymemommy
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 12495

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymemommy     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thank you mtree,

I needed that.
[group hug]

kp

Posts: 394 | From tinton falls nj | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
painted turtle
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 7801

Icon 1 posted      Profile for painted turtle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Daise, maybe you are projecting? Because you feel you wouldn't be able to handle a trip to Disney, then you think kp's son can't??

Honestly, these cognitive confusions (and defensiveness and anger from all the discrimination) have been a part of the disease for me. But I don't know about Daise....

All I know is I never got the impression, kp, that you were nothing but a concerned and loving mom!!

I wish you a lovely trip with your family, to have a nice time and hopefully upon return, your son will shore all this up with the babs treatment!

--------------------
www.lymefire.blogspot.com

Posts: 855 | From United States of Mind | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
groovy2
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6304

Icon 1 posted      Profile for groovy2   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi All

I think I would wait till after trip
to start treatment --

Babs TX can be Really tuff -

Many people dont start herxing till
weeks or months into treatment -

But some people herx right away -

If he can do the trip now I would go for it-

But have a plan for what to do if the trip
gets to be to much for him -- Jay --

Posts: 2999 | From Austin tx USA | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
daise
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Everyone,

Someones got to speak for the child, here.

This child is crabby. Yes, that can denote tick-borne diseases. Clearly, it can also mean the child is trying to tell mommy something: is he crabby because he's being pushed?

Sure, every kid wants to see Disney anything. But that child is ill!

quote:
Painted turle said:

I wish you a lovely trip with your family, to have a nice time and hopefully upon return, your son will shore all this up with the babs treatment!

"Will shore all this up with babs treatment?" The human body doesn't work that way.

He's ill.

It sounds like he's being pushed to go to Disneyland to perform like a boy is supposed to.

And he's got a long plane trip or drive to get there and back.

Reality vs. fantasy.

Yes: A hard babesia herx very well can happen in the first week. That'll be about the time you get to Disneyland. Then will there be complaints about the crabby child?

What on Earth is wrong with waiting several months until is body and brain are much better, when he can enjoy it?

daise [Smile]

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.