Marnie
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1. Get an infusion (or multiple) of CD4 T cells (see my SALP15 CD4 post)
2. Trigger HO-1 via a couple of ways. Far infrared is one. Inhibiting alkaline phosphatase is another.
My choice? Far infrared at 880nM wavelength to activate the enzyme COX-1 -> PGE-1 -> HO-1.
I'm not kidding.
The strength of the far infrared device (diodes) may make a difference and then there is the location of where to direct the light as well as the length of time.
These machines really range in price. Are the more pricey ones more effective?
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Very cool. Yes, it is amazing to me that our very own GiGi discovered this German therapy and shared it with all of us here on Lymenet.
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It's only been a couple of days but I'm having great results with the LightWorks.
Maybe we don't need to go to Germany...
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is there going to be a bionoc880 in MD soon?
marnie forgive me but you say FAR infrared at 880m wavelength (im guessing hence the bionic 880)?
does Far infrared sauna have any same affect?
sparkle..where did u get the lighworks and what does it do briefly. thanks in advance
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Apparently saunas do not produce the 880nM wavelength.
Helpful, but not curing.
A lot of this research dates back to NASA discoveries.
We've come a long way since Tang.
(I'm probably dating myself.)
In zero gravity, plants don't grow. Astronauts return to earth with LOW PKC levels (Skylab research) and anemic. They are slow to heal in space.
Far infrared and whole body vibration (blocks NFkB) helps.
I pray for success with Gi Gi and her husband. But I am cautious since age is not on their side and I realize that even when the infection is gone, the body still needs time to rebalance because this pathogen really depletes us of so many nutrients.
So...some symptoms may remain, not because of the infection, but because the body needs time to readjust once the infection is gone.
Scott...I always want to know HOW and WHY things work or do not work.
"With P. aeruginosa, the treatment reduced the number of bacteria colonies at all doses, achieving statistical significance at 1, 3, and 20 J cm2 doses and reducing bacterial colony by as much as 93.8%; the most effective dose being 20 J cm2.
Irradiation of S. aureus resulted in statistically significant decreases in bacterial colonies at all dose levels; the most decrease, 72%, was also achieved with 20 Jcm2."
The LightWorks has these measurements in Joules (J):
The 660nm Red LED side puts out 177 Joules in 15 minutes (in Constant Mode).
The 880nm NIR LED side puts out 205 Joules in 15 minutes (in Constant Mode).
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It doesn't say if it's cm2 (square centimeters), though.
Seems that this would be effective enough. I don't know if you really need the more powerful unit...
This example was for staph bacteria not Bb. It was also in a petri dish - not through skin, blood, tissue, etc.
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The link that didn't work was for the article - not the device...
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2006...we were beginning to understand lightwaves can and do destroy pathogens...by triggering our own defense (activating COX-1 -> HO-1).
Esp. for those who might NOT have the short gene for HO-1 and thus are really at a disadvantage to fight pathogens. Short gene = more HO-1 producers.
Gottcha re: article link:
Find this!
Effects of low-level laser therapy (LLLT) on the nuclear factor (NF)-B signaling pathway in traumatized muscle
"LLLT reduced the inflammatory response induced by trauma and was able to block the effects of reactive oxygen species (ROS) release and the activation of NF-B."
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The link didn't work for me either--says something about a cookie.
I'll follow up to try to find the whole study of the Liebert article. That's interesting but in vitro which often has little application to in vivo. LED devices only penetrate a certain amount. And we don't know the relative strength etc. Nevertheless this is interesting enough that some people ought to be able to do some simple experiments on Bb, even though it's hard to cultivate in vitro. What's probably not possible but would be useful is to test mice in vivo. Can you imagine being treated in some whole body LED chamber for chronic infections!!
John--coinfections tend to flourish because Bb is immunosuppressive.
Various coinfections might or might not respond, and to different wavelengths, I speculate. Question is for slow dividing organisms, or ones in deep niches like Bb, or ones that go into dormant forms, what do you need to do?
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Marnie
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Very possible....several.
OUR gov. is doing trials with far infrared to help HIV patients too...see if it will work.
And MS, AD, the list goes on.
I posted the list of current trials underway.
This is "cutting edge" stuff.
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880 nm wavelength is not unique to the Bionic 880. In my research on the subject of Photon Light Therapy, I find that this strength comes up often as the optimal wavelength.
Photon light therapy has a lot of science behind it and is particularly effective with rheumatoid arthritis. Sometimes insurance will even cover it.
My doctor is aware of it (she is a rheumatologist) and she just gave me a script for it. I am hoping my insurance will cover it for me.
Now I just have to decide which machine to buy.
There is one company that will rent the machine and I think I would like to rent before I buy. I am a little afraid to post the link here due to someone thinking I am pushing a product.
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You can post the link... luvs.
We all know you have a horse farm & you aren't pushing infrared devices. Maybe you can use them on your horses?
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Blood Is the Mother of Qi, and Qi Is the Commander of Blood
A small stimulus in the right place can have far-reaching effects.
When as little as 1 1/2-2 1/2 percent of the blood volume is irradiated with laser light, it may induce the entire circulatory volume to begin emitting biophotons.4
Imagine a wave of light expanding throughout the blood as more and more cells are recruited to emit biophotons.
This secondary emission, known as bioluminescence or chemiluminescence, may be far greater than the initial exposure to light.
Now imagine light streaming from blood cells throughout the entire circulatory system, illuminating capillaries inside the liver, brain, kidneys, and everywhere throughout the body.
The emission of biophotons5 by the blood itself is responsible for most effects.
PS - I suspect this form of therapy is going to be suppressed. Imagine how much the big pharma companies will lose!
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Does 880nM power the mitochondria by donating 2 photons? ADP-> ATP?
Bb dies, cell lives...DNA damage can be "repaired".
Jill...hopefully Bob will be along to provide the links which indicate that far infrared does go/can penetrate "further" than we thought.
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Hi All
I was looking at Led bulbs a day or 2 ago and found several sites like this one that has LEDs of many types--
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Tell me, do these therapies address Babesia and Bartonella coinfections? What about mycoplasma?
Is it a broad-spectrum cure, or only lyme-specific?
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oxygenbabe
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Hmmm. Very interesting (the HIV work). Well, I've got to start to make a file and contact some researchers.
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Nanadubo, Nurse Andi is selling a green laser with vials to balance certain areas of the body based on the vial chosen, it is not meant to heal or kill pathogens. It is not the same as an LLLT. LLLT is low laser light therapy or cold laser therapy. Devices included are high intensity LED like the bionic 880 and certain non thermal lasers. An lllt doesn't generate heat. If heat is generated it is from the body going from ADP to ATP in many of the cells affected. The are may feel warming do to these reactions.
As far as coinfections, according to GiGi with bionic 880 therapy done by Dr. W. yes they are taken care of. Any hybrid therapy it is hard to say tried with other LED devices, we can only hope.
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Groovy - I think this company sells the LEDs. The LEDs are made into an array to use for treatment. I've see lasers in various colors being sold this way, as well as LEDs.
I think if you were handy with electronics, you could make your own device. The LightWorks has 55 IR LEDs + 5 red ones on one side & 60 red LEDs on the other.
You can buy pre-made arrays from Elixa. The cost around $100- $125 & they have a variety of them. They don't have the Nogier frequencies, though. It's just straight light.
I'm not certain if it matters. It's nice to have the pulse frequencies.
This is all very exciting! I'd like to learn more about all of this. I have a feeling that this information has been suppressed from the general public...
The drug industry could go out of business due to this stuff.
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More studies (for reference) as listed from the article titled -
Protection of Skeletal Muscles from Ischemic Injury: Low-Level Laser Therapy Increases Antioxidant Activity
This paper was cited by:
Ga-As (808 nm) Laser Irradiation Enhances ATP Production in Human Neuronal Cells in Culture U. Oron, S. Ilic, L. De Taboada, J. Streeter Photomedicine and Laser Surgery. Jun 2007, Vol. 25, No. 3: 180-182
Low-Level Laser Therapy Applied Transcranially to Mice following Traumatic Brain Injury Significantly Reduces Long-term Neurological Deficits Amir Oron, Uri Oron, Jackson Streeter, Luis De Taboada, Alexander Alexandrovich, Victoria Trembovler, Esther Shohami Journal of Neurotrauma. Apr 2007, Vol. 24, No. 4: 651-656
Laser treatment for stroke Yair Lampl Expert Review of Neurotherapeutics. 2007, Vol. 7, No. 8: 961
Effects of Power Densities, Continuous and Pulse Frequencies, and Number of Sessions of Low-Level Laser Therapy on Intact Rat Brain Sanja Ilic, Sandra Leichliter, Jackson Streeter, Amir Oron, Luis DeTaboada, Uri Oron Photomedicine and Laser Surgery. Aug 2006, Vol. 24, No. 4: 458-466
Photoengineering of Tissue Repair in Skeletal and Cardiac Muscles Uri Oron Photomedicine and Laser Surgery. Apr 2006, Vol. 24, No. 2: 111-120
Low-Level Laser Therapy in Acute Pain: A Systematic Review of Possible Mechanisms of Action and Clinical Effects in Randomized Placebo-Controlled Trials Jan Magnus Bjordal, Mark I. Johnson, Vegard Iversen, Flavio Aimbire, Rodrigo Alvaro Brandao Lopes-Martins Photomedicine and Laser Surgery. Apr 2006, Vol. 24, No. 2: 158-168
Transcranial application of low-energy laser irradiation improves neurological deficits in rats following acute stroke Luis DeTaboada, Sanja Ilic, Sandra Leichliter-Martha, Uri Oron, Amir Oron, Jackson Streeter Lasers in Surgery and Medicine. 2006, Vol. 38, No. 1: 70
Effects of low-level laser therapy (LLLT) on the nuclear factor (NF)-κB signaling pathway in traumatized muscle Carem Fetter Rizzi, Jos� Luis Mauriz, Daniela Sousa Freitas Corr�a, Andr�a Janz Moreira, Claudio Galeano Zettler, Lidiane Isabel Filippin, Norma Possa Marroni, Javier Gonz�lez-Gallego Lasers in Surgery and Medicine. 2006, Vol. 38, No. 7: 704
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I like the sound of this product. I'd like to hear if anyone has opinions about the difference between the 400. and the 900. product. It looks to me like one is just about twice as big, but has similar specs.
Here's another link to a similar product. It looks like it may be the same one sold by elixa. I have ordered from Sota Instruments before, and find them helpful and reliable. They have a website for sales, and a separate one for information, so they are not liable for making claims.
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Marnie
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On my way home from the grocery store, I was thinking...
if COX-1 -> PGE-1 -> HO-1 (good) -> biliverdin, CO and IRON...
Iron...halt...what if someone is co-infected with babesia?
Re: danger of Fe (released to destroy Bb, but used by babesia) if one is co-infected with babesia...because I was concerned...now I think I have a better "handle" on it.
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