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I have not yet had my appt with my LLMD yet; however, I am very willing and able to try to eat whatever diet has been deemed best by the Lyme society at large.
Is there a reference or a particular website, or post someone can lead me in the direction of?
Thanks in advance to all that reply!
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have you read Kenneth Singleton's book on lyme? he has a great section on the lyme inflammation diet, its pretty easy to follow and not so strict as to be off-putting. I basically try to avoid refined carbs and sugar as much as possible and eat good protein and plenty of veg and some fruit. hope this helps:)
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This particular diet you linked is not much of a problem for me. I pretty much eat that way although I probably do eat too much fruit and I'm weeping real tears at the thought of not eating cheese!
I don't eat a lot of animal protein. 99.9% of the time I eat vegetarian but I do love my dairy. This will take some adjustmenting. I would miss that occasional glass of red wine or cerveza on a hot day, but since I've been sick, my alcohol consumption has reduced dramatically and I can often go 6 weeks and realize I haven't had a refreshing Dos Esquis Amber with a lime wedge.
Thank you Windmill... I will definitely check out Singleton's book!
Thank you all!
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Are there accurate tests for Candidiasis?
I hate to say it, but the diet thing is one big confusing mess! I have been a semi-vegetarian for years! Eating mostly whole grains, veggies, fruit, soy, brown rice, hardly any junk food and rarely ever any refined products, nuts, seeds, occassional organinc chicken or turkey, etc. Being a health food nut, when i started feeling sick last October, the first thing I thought of was diet......it had to be a food allergy, something in my diet...then i thought candida, etc. But, it doesn't make sense, because why do all the people I know who eat poorly, not have these problems. It must be an infection...so I am not sure I keep trying candida diets. Keep in mind I only took antibiotics for a short time as a teen when I had acne and maybe some odd times later in life. I also am NOT on antibiotics now as my doc only gives Antimicrobials for Lyme. I also take a thyroid med, Synthroid.
I have usually kept my coffe to 2 cups a day and rarely alcohol, other than college times.
Confusing part to me is that i have MGUS. I don't know if Lyme is causing this MGUS or could a yeast infection or Candidiasis(same thing?)cause an MGUS spike?
Then there is my hand turning blue or grey and blotchy. I doubt candida could cause this nor MGUS. Lyme could however cause this!
The diet thing is confusing, because all the candidiasis and yeast infection diets I read are different. Is a yeast infecton the same as Candida?
This book is hard core! NO fruit other than black currant, cranberrys and I think lemon, no dairy initially due to the dairy sugars feeding yeast, you can eat red skin potatoes which I don't understand. You can start using Kefir after a while, only grains such as buckwheat, millet, quinua, and amaranth if soaked overnight! Do any of you do this? I thought any grain would be bad or any starch!!!!
She also is strict on food combining. It is tough! But, I assume this would be for a hard cor candida problem. But, how do any of use know what is really going on inside.
Anyway, most of the yeast/candida diets I read...are all different, some say brown rice is okay, some say oats, some say certain fruits(and still others list different fruits!) and some say this or that...confusing! Keep in mind broken down fruits and veggies, and some good grains will provide plenty of prebiotics for the good guys to grow!
Some diets say decaf coffee is fine, others say no. Some say Ezekiel breads are fine, others say no, some say nuts, some say no due to the mold. Some say no fermented foods like sauerkraut, while others say eat lots of this!!!! Check the Ecology diet, she recommends lots of fermented foods and she has a good track record supposedly with helping people with candida/yeast issues.
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In addition to candida - or simple carbs' reaction with blood glucose - or the "feeding" of any bacteria or viruses (having too much simple sugar for them to gobble up) . . . .
There are also very specific reasons for avoiding gluten found in wheat, spelt, teff, barley and rye. Corn bothers many as do oats, but the gluten in those is different in the gluten normally referred to in wheat, spelt, teff, barley and rye.
Gluten can contribute to leaky gut and also to symptoms of pain and neurological matters.
Some folks with lyme may have undiagnosed celiac and others simply can't handle the gluten at the time their body is going through so much.
I do have genetic tests that show a high probability that I do have celiac. I am far less depressed, in less FM-like pain and less stomach pain being gluten-free. I'm still very fuzzy brained but I'm not on any particular protocol for lyme + Co. so that's understandable.
This (gluten) is a very complex subject, but easy to do a trial run and see if symptoms improve after at least 2 weeks completely gluten free - and corn and oat free.
You might add back in something in tiny amounts to see what happens, then. I would add oats, first. wait a while and add back in a touch of corn . . . later for the gluten-containing ones.
One of my doctors thinks EVERYONE should avoid gluten, that it causes unwanted changes in everyone's brains and she thinks it will be linked with degenerative conditions in the future.
She does not have to but she avoids gluten and says she feels much better - and she is basically very healthy.
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the Celiac groups have more details but it's sad to see so many gluten-free foods that are loaded with sugar, potato flour, corn, etc.
Some people with lyme do well with getting their carbs from vegetables or low-sugar berries.
Gluten-free whole grains that work for some lyme patients, in moderation (and in a meal with proteins and veggies and good fats) are below. All - except for white rice - are complex carbs, and have wonderful nutrients:
Buckwheat (really a legume - can be a substitute for barley in soup or as a breakfast porridge)
Millet ( I find this more starchy than Quinoa, but again, once in a while or in small amounts. You can add thyme, olive oil . . . or may other sorts of herbs. It could be a substitute for corn polenta in an Italian dish).
Quinoa ("Keen-wa" - has a wonderful amino-acid (protein) profile - the best of any grain.
- before cooking, the light color variety needs to be rinsed in a very fine-meshed strainer. There is a "red quinoa" that is pre-rinsed. As with the other grains, you can put this in with soups, baked chicken and season many ways. Good in cold veggie salads, too.
Amyranth ? sp ? I don't know much about this one as I feel a bit weird from it. But is sure is a nice taste for a breakfast porridge. It is a very tiny grain with a nutty taste a bit like malt--meal (but malt-o-meal has barley malt and that's gluten).
And, of course rice. White rice is basically sugar by the time it hits your stomach. It should be avoided by everyone concerned with stable blood sugar, however, if having dinner out, a little with other really good food at the same time may be okay once in a while.
Rice. Back to complex carbs: there are many, many varieties of brown, red and black rices. Glutenous rice is also called "sticky rice" and does not contain gluten, but is higher in sugars as it sticks together better than other rices for suishi (beware of raw fish) . . . and for some dessserts. It is usually from white rice.
Wild rice (really a grass).
On the run, or if not feeing like one can eat solid food: there are "quinoa flakes" that can be mixed in a cup with boiling water for a mush.
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Hi, I eat a lot of those things you mention but many times I seem to not be able to get enough carbs for energy. I miss fruit!!!!!!! Some candida diets say black currant, lime and lemons are okay and some say green apples so it is so confusing! Some say beans are okay and some say no. Some say Kefir and yogurt are cool, others say no because the milk sugar from the yogurt or kifir feeds yeast and other bacteria such as Lyme and coinfections.
Does LYme and coinfections actually live on the sme things as fungus such as candida or maybe my doctor has me on this diet because of the possibility of having excess yeast and other creatures due to a compromised immune system.
If not, picking foods that do not break down into sugars or glycogen, do we look at the glycemic index?Millet is listed on many anti candida diets but it has a high rating!
Food: Millet (cooked) Glycemic Index: 71 Glycemic Index Rating: High
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Does LYme and coinfections actually live on the sme things as fungus such as candida or maybe my doctor has me on this diet because of the possibility of having excess yeast and other creatures due to a compromised immune system. +++++++++++++++++++++
Both! You don't want another problem that is CLOSE to be as bad as Lyme itself. Yeast can damage your entire body if it gets out of hand.
I would go by the glycemic index myself.
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The confusing part is that my doc and Dr. S both are much less strict and don't restrict starches hardly at all! They also have a good succes rate.
Your Naturopath said it is okay to eat starchy carbs such as Ezekiel breads, cereals, pastas and that is the only cereal and bread I eat other than whol oat grouts, amaranth, buckwheat, etc...I do eat potatoes. Dr. S still advocates these things and has a great track record.
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Doesn't matter about their "success rate" .. what matters is that you don't have yet another problem to deal with.
It's hard to distinguish between Lyme symptoms and yeast symptoms. So clean up the diet and make sure you'll know when you're actually "over" the Lyme.
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Naturopath said it is okay to eat starchy carbs such as Ezekiel breads, cereals, pastas and that is the only cereal and bread I eat other than whol oat grouts, amaranth, buckwheat, etc...I do eat potatoes. Dr. S still advocates these things and has a great track record.
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Okay, the confusing continues. I rea da lot of research on nutrition as I wanted to be a nutritinist for the longest time so I follow articles and research and have piles of textbooks. Research shows that whole grains or instact grains, starchy veggies, etc do not feed candida.
Extra fish scares me due to mercury load so you have to be careful and use wild caught and even then it is risky.
Milk? Yogurt? Kefir? They scare me due to the milk sugars, but kefir is the safest or coconut kefir. What about fermented foods such as cultured veggies or tempe? Some diets say yes, some say no? Unfortunately a lot of these diets are being recommended by people who are basing their ideas on anecdotal evidence.
I know from my own experience and from that of family members...I am much more constipated and lacking energy on a meat based diet which makes it tough for me. Blocking up your digestion can never be good when fighting disease.
Burascanno makes no mention of grains in his guidelines, he just mentions starches or flour.
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