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My liver is beginning to not work as well. I seem to have yeast that I can't get rid of. I'm about to start some more hard-core antifungals, but I know these tax the liver even more.
Scared!
Could my liver be having problems because of yeast toxin overload?
If it gets worse with antifungals, what can I do?
Can I take whey powder when I have candida?
Is there a warning sign to know my liver is going to fail?
thanks for any help!!
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Hi Rain --
Drink warm tea -Every day - All Day -
I drink 3 to 5 gallons per day- My liver tests come back perfect-Jay-
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A good whey without sugar is perfectly fine.
Provides the precursers to creating GSH or glutathione.
If you are concerned about the liver becoming toxic, add sublingual glutathione to what your are doing.
The liver generates glutathione by adding it as supplement it helps a great deal. A better way to get glutathione cheaply into your body is get glutathione suppositories.
I make my own suppositories now and add coffee as well to further stimulate the liver to create GSH. It is much cheaper.
It works great!
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It can be very scary but it's a process. With the right support, I think you and your liver can do fine. I never knew that having lyme would send me on a learning trek to the liver.
I look at it as a fascinating system. Concerned not so much with "what has happened?" as "what can I do to help" - well - it helps.
Even with drugs that are hard on the liver, if certain support measures are taken, that can lessen effects. Best if guided by a doctor regarding dosage, etc. of supplements. Many good books, too, are out there.
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Liver problems can be from any infection, certain foods/drink, environmental chemicals and exhaust and even certain medicines (Rx, over the counter and some herbal, especially with misuse).
Yeast/candida infections are not easy on the liver, but other infections can be worse. Lyme is one of the most toxic infections known to man. It's similar to botulism.
Everything we put into our bodies - even breath - is processed by the liver. Infections such as lyme can reallly attack the liver, too, so infections must be dealth with. However, some medicines can be harsh on the liver, too. Some more than others.
Tylenol is especially harsh on the liver. And just as some meds are so are some herbs, especially depending upon individual strength of the Cytochrome P-450 detox pathway.
Greasy foods are especially tough on the liver as is alcohol. Smoking, too. Chances are your lifestyle is healthy but it's hard not to breath in exhaust on the freeway, etc. Perfumed /chemical cleaning products in public and in homes affects the liver. Lawn chemicals, the chemicals on foods, etc.
Especially with lyme treatment, liver support is vital. Milk Thistle is just one of the things that can help. Andrographis and other herbs, too. Nutritional supplements such as NAC and glutathione can be helpful, too.
The liver is a vascular, secretory and metabolic organ that resides in the upper abdomen.
It receives a dual blood supply from the hepatic artery and the portal vein, and is by far our most important metabolic and detoxification organ.
The liver metabolizes (burns) all three macronutrients (fats, carbohydrates and proteins), providing energy, vitamins, minerals and other nutrients.
Composed of thousands of tiny functional units called lobules, this organ filters over 1,500 ml of blood per minute. If not functioning well, toxins spill into the bloodstream or out into the bile causing inflammation and oxidative stress.
The liver is also a major storage organ. Nutrients are extracted, converted and stored. For example, excess sugars are converted into glycogen and stored for later release.
The same is done for fat-soluble vitamins, other essential nutrients (proteins and fats etc.) and even blood. Moreover, the liver can also store toxins, hopefully for later elimination.
The liver is responsible for the creation and secretion of bile, necessary to emulsify and digest fats and carry away wastes. It also synthesizes various immune and blood proteins necessary for life processes.
Complex chemical substances that enter the liver are neutralized in one of three major ways:
* They are eaten by Kupffer cells.
* They are captured and dissolved into the bile, produced in the gall bladder from components supplied by the liver, and excreted to the intestine
* They are chemically dismantled, tagged and sent off by the enzyme systems for elimination.
Kupffer cells are large specialized macrophages (white blood cells) which phagocytize (eat) bacteria, endotoxins, antigen-antibody complexes and other liver poisons. This makes the liver an important immune system organ.
These cells chew up most of the larger particles that enter the liver. However, they produce dangerous oxidative free radicals as a by-product of this process, and the liver requires a sufficient supply of protective antioxidants to neutralize them.
The liver's cytochrome P450 system works on complex chemicals.
As substances such as hormones, drugs, alcohol, carcinogens, pesticides and inflammatory chemicals like histamine enter the system, enzymes oxidize and break down the intruders (a process called phase I detoxification).
After that, the liver chemically tags and changes the breakdown products so that they can be excreted (called phase II detoxification). This process also results in the release of free radical poisons, so it is important to supply the body with the protective anti-oxidant herbs mentioned above.
The liver synthesizes more than a liter of thick, viscous, heavily pigmented and bitter bile each day to capture, neutralize and carry away poisons, acids, dying red blood cells, drugs, mucus, cholesterol, lecithin, mucin, chemicals, pigments, salts, and minerals. Once released by the gall bladder into the intestine, the bile helps emulsify and digest fats.
The condition in which the liver is congested or sluggish is known as cholestasis. This often occurs because the bile has become too thick and loaded down with mucus and inflammatory toxins.
Of course, evaluation and regulation of dietary habits--especially fat intake--should be the initial and continuing treatment method for permanent resolution of this condition.
By the way, a lot of mystery concerning how your body reacts to things is eliminated if your realize that sometimes herbs or drugs (and even common foods) help activate individual cytochrome P450 enzymes, which speeds removal of molecules.
They can also inhibit the action of these enzymes, which can be useful for keeping certain chemical substances in the general circulation for a longer period of time. The importance of this varies.
If we have a "bad guy" chemical in our blood, speeding removal is good. However, if we have a necessary or "good guy" chemical in our blood, speeding removal would be bad. In the same way, if we have a "bad guy," slowing removal would be bad and if we have a "good guy, " slowing removal would be good.
For example, drinking grapefruit juice will keep the expensive pharmaceutical drug Viagra in circulation longer, which means you could probably use half as much and save money. Drinking grapefruit juice when taking cardiac glycosides could raise our blood levels and be dangerous.
Individual variations in our cytochrome P40 enzymes help to demystify why there are so many variations in how we respond to drugs and herbs. This is why one man's herbal meat is another mans herbal poison.
A well-trained medical practitioner can exploit these facts to your advantage. For more information on this process with common drugs, and a few herbs, look for Dave Flockhart's Drug Tables. (through link above.)
This table is designed as a hypothesis testing, teaching and reference tool for physicians and researchers interested in drug interactions that are the result of competition for, or effects on the human cytochrome P450 system.
Below the list of drugs that are metabolized by a specific cytochrome P450 isoform are the published inhibitors, inducers and genetic influences . . . .
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Neuroprotective Herbs and Active Constituents Approaches to Preventing Degenerative Diseases - - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D
Excerpt [from the section on SALVIA]: " . . . Salvianic acid A (SA), isolated from the Chinese herbal medicine Salvia miltiorrhiza, is capable of protecting diverse kinds of cells from damage caused by a variety of toxic stimuli. . . . "
These results indicate that ginkgo leaf has obvious effects of liver protection, anti-inflammation, and anti-fibrosis, and may even reverse liver fibrosis. ...
* Male mice that received diets containing 5% schisandra berries exhibited a threefold increase in the important liver cytochrome P-450 antioxidanti system (Hendrich et al., 1983).
Equally important is the enhancing effect of schisandra on the status of liver mitochondria in rats (Ip et al., 1998).
. . . full page at link.
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Other research on what can help block or bind toxins - endotoxins - includes smilax/sarsaparilla and Salvia miltiorrhiza.
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These books discuss liver support during lyme treatment:
This book, by an ILADS member LLMD, hold great information about pharmaceutical and complementary treatments:
Educating myself on my body is a full time job!
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Keebler, Only if we ever meet you promise to give me a big hug. After all I'm a guy!
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backintherain,
Oh, good. You're still here. I run off a lot of people with too much information sometimes. It's a lot to learn so be sure to pace yourself. Bottom line: be kind to your liver and it will be kind to you; understand your liver and it will give you a chance.
Bob,
Very funny. First laugh in a while from this little computer closet of mine. Well, that ear surgery in Baltimore keeps getting pushed to the back burner (I'm the one holding off) but I may just show up in your neighborhood someday.
Seriously, now, as my liver wants to have a life again, what is the "recipe" for the glutathione very-low GI "treats"?
To make a home made version you need coconut oil, a tube about the width of normal suppository and a way to close it at one end. Heat the coconut oil "not high heat, a little warmer then body heat" until liquid and put the liquid in the open end of the tube. Put some powdered glutathione, I've been using about 1/8 of a teaspoon into the open end. If you have some coffee extract put about the same amount in. Put in the freezer when hardened pull it out and open the closed end of the tube to push out the homemade suppository. 1/8 of a teaspoon is about 700 mg. I won't comment further.
The coffee extract is important to detoxify the liver.
Hope you like Keebs.
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Well, thanks for the info and, especially, the link.
Great to avoid all the additive stuff like monopalmitate, glyceryl monostearate, hydrogenated, etc. by making one's own. I've got a great organic coconut oil.
I've never been one to follow recipes but this sounds easy enough - and cheaper the IV glutathione.
I have organic frozen coffee crystals in my fridge - but where do you get coffee EXTRACT? Rhetorical question, I suppose. I can go on a web hunt with my next energy spurt.
Java Juice Organic Kosher Coffee Extract - Package of Five Packets $5.45
Java Juice� is 100% liquid certified kosher and organic coffee extract made in the USA from the finest Arabica coffee beans. Java Juice� contains no chemicals, or preservatives.
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You can use natural stuff to kill yeast. Try "Yeast N Check."
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One great thing about using coconut oil as a suppository in the colon, it's antimicrobial. In other words a direct way of kicking pathogen butt in the lower butt. And to increase the carnage even more add some herbs used in other products.
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