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CD57
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I've been on Rizol My for bartonella for 6 weeks and am experiencing the biggest herx I think I've had yet, abx included! It has oil of artemesinin in it so I wonder if this may be hitting babesia too....I haven't treated that bc it hasn't been problematic for me.

This stuff is *strong*!!

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Thanks for posting your feedback. Glad you are having a good herx. Hope it brings lots of improvement for you.

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Terry--will you be trying this soon? We have the same LLMD...if so, start s-l-o-w. I went up too quickly and I think may be paying for it now!
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Thanks for posting your experience.
I've heard others mention that the rizols caused a massive die off reaction for them as well. Klinghardt says to take toxin binders like charcoal, chlorella, zeolite to mop things up.

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CD wrote:
Terry--will you be trying this soon?

It has been mentioned but I've had it muscle tested via my herbalist and it has never tested well. If it ever does, I'll give it a try.

Please keep us posted. Hope you get over the herx soon.

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Yikes! [Eek!]

I saw Dr. H today, and he's starting me on Rizol My too. He said it will hit the babesia since it contains artemisinin.

Does the Rizol My mostly treat Bartonella? What about Lyme?

I'm dreading the herx, but the doctor is having me start out on 1 drop a day and slowly work up. Hopefully that will minimize the herx.

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Hey Erika, yes, start slow. I think I ramped up too fast...am now at 20 drops 2x/day. Didn't really hit me until about a week ago!

Take a binder with it, about 20 minutes after you drink it.
Dr H didn't tell me it would hit babesia. But he told you!

I don't think it hits Lyme.

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Dr H prescribed this for me as well. CD57, do you know long one bottle lasts? Thanks for the added info on binders I wasn't told this.

I only ordered one 1 oz. bottle but seems like it wouln't last long.

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Where can I buy this? Thanks!
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Mandy, I think 1 bottle will last a month, depending on how much he has you on.

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CD57, could you describe for the viewers what sort of herx symptoms you encountered? Did any stretch mark type rashes show up during the treatment?

I have a bottle of this rizol but have not gone seriously on it yet. The difficult taste can be alleviated somewhat by placing MY rizol in a glass bottle of orange juice.

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No, no stretch marks, I have never had those. Mine have been increased fatigue, headaches, back pain, top of head pain, and hand pain. So inflammation overall.

I had a lot of psych symptoms that were attributed to bartonella...anxiety, depresion, agitation, depersonalization, ADD/OCD. I am delighted to report that these have almost completed abated. They made life hard to bear at times. I am also convinced that the addition of CSM has helped immensely with these.

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CD57, Thanks for the helpful info!

Did you get increased psych symptoms with the My Rizol herx? Given my recent experience with Babesia treatment, the mental/emotional effects of Bartonella treatment worries me more than the usual increased fatigue and headaches.

Dr.H told me the Rizol My contains artemisinin only because I asked him about adding artemisinin to my babesia treatment.

Wouldn't taking a binder shortly afterwards affect the absorption of the formula? Though maybe it's ok because liquids move through the body much quicker than pills?

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CD57, thanks for sharing and good to see that you are getting better.

According to the link below, MY rizol contains: pure raw material, Oil of Artemisia, Clove Oil, Black Cumin Oil, Walnut Oil, Marjoram Oil. Looks like a good brew to dispell parasites as well, including babesia.

Uptake can apparently can be increased by mixing in the phospholipid exchange also described at the site.I will try to find the post with this info.
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the rizol oils are STRONG (make sure you disperse the drops throughout the water before drinking). i take the gamma oil (ART tested) and haven't been able to increase past two drops/day.

a great remedy -- i think they hit multiple infections at once.

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Babesia Herx's are very different from Lyme or Bart Herx's so you would probably be experienceing definded Babs Symptoms if it was hitting babesia....

You would get, Air Hunger, Normally Peticiea or cherry spots over your skin, a crushing fatigue, Vertigo or dizzy off balance feeling and a cycling depression.

My husband was 90% better but Dr H said he wanted to make sure his Bart was gone so he started him on Rizol MY after 2 weeks and only up to 6 drops a day he is now having very severe bart herx's - he said it is as strong as Levaquin or Rifampin. He has no symptoms whatsoever of Babesia

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I have had strong Bart herxes since starting with one drop of the My rizol. I had to go up by about 1 drop per day to keep the herx from getting too bad (which was bad enough). My herx symptoms were almost all neuro/psychological - inability to speak, repeating words, anxiety, etc. The My has helped my Bart symptoms immensely.

I am now up to 26 drops/day of My. I am also on 8 drops/day of Gamma and 20 drops/day of Zeta.

The Zeta is supposed to kill viruses. When I started it, it caused intense depression, dark thoughts, rage, wanting to be left alone. Very weird. I'm having a harder time handling this one than the My. Has anyone experienced anything like this with Zeta?

Erica, I don't know if the binders absorb any of the rizol, but that's how I was told to take it and it's working...

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below is some extracted info on rizols from an excellent post by GiGi. Some info on role of Phospholipid Exchange.

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"Internal use : (this is commonly done in Germany and other European countries. In the US the products are not approved by the FDA for internal use. It would consistute an off-label use).

This is usually done in 2 stages:

Stage I. to treat intestinal infestations with bacteria (clostridia, etc.), protozoa (giardia, amoebas, toxoplasma, etc), worms and viruses.

Dosage: Begin with 1-3 drops one/day and gradually increase to the full dose of 10 drops 3 times/day. Back off if you experience Herxheimer/die-off reactions.

Then slowly increase again. Pour a little clean water in a cup, shake the oil bottle rhythmically until the desired number of drops have fallen in the cup, add water to the mix.

The turbulence is enough to create a homogenous white milky fluid that tastes ok.

Depending on your intestinal uptake, there may be burning in the anus with the next bowel movement (if the oil is not taken up in the intestinal passage). This may be a sign to go on to Stage II :

Add 1/3 to 1 tsp Phospholipid Exchange and stir in the mix (see Stage I). This will dramatically increase the uptake of the rizol in the lymphatic system of the gut and cleanse the GALT (gut-associated-lymphatic-system).

As soon as the rizol has done its job here, it will travel via the large central lymph duct into the veins, from here to the lungs, liver, kidney and eventually into the brain.

Wherever it reaches, it chases the pathogenic microbes out of this area. There may be significant die-off reactions at unpredictable times. No serious lasting untoward effects have been observed however.

It is absolutely important to supplement healthy bowel flora (such as BioImmersion), which should be taken after meals - away from ozonated oils

The Ozonated Oils are best taken on an empty stomach.

Do not take the rizoles late at night since die-off reactions may disturb the deep sleep (which is so important for healing).

Side effects : activation of the M-cells (peritoneal macrophages) and activation of lymphocytes can cause transient inflammation in affected body areas and the oils have therefore diagnostic properties.

The dose should be greatly reduced if and when this occurs until the reaction subsides. Regular Herxheimer reactions are expected and common."

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Interesting about the phospholipid exchange. I'd like to try that with it. Anybody know where to get it?
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info from site below:
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"Phospholipid Exchange concentrate is a combination of microsphere encapsulated DiSodium EDTA and essential phospholipids (EPL).

Taken orally this product enhances the transport of PhosphoLipid Exchange through the intestinal wall barrier, blood/cell and blood/brain barrier.

This process successfully eliminates the possibility of diarrhea symptoms. There is a slow release of EDTA systematically over 48 hours, greatly decreasing the possibility of kidney overload with heavy metal toxicity.

Phospholipid Exchange produces true plasma soluble ion exchange properties, thereby minimizing beneficial mineral excretion. EDTA has been primarily used to detoxify the body of heavy metals and is commonly known and used for clearing the cardiovascular system.

Until recently, EDTA required intravenous infusions for as long as three hours, two or three times per week.

Healing benefits: Lowers mean total serum cholesterol, decreases LDL (bad cholesterol), increases HDL (good cholesterol), increases peripheral and brain circulation, decreases reactive platelet aggregation by 60% in patients with angina pectoris, increases fluidity of red blood cell membranes, decreases angina and helps eliminate chest pain attacks, increases exercise tolerance with angina prone patients.

Cautions and contraindications: Not intended for use for children or during pregnancy or when breast feeding except under the care of a licensed medical practitioner.

Dosage: 1 Tablespoon mixed thoroughly with 6oz juice, water or milk, three times a week or as directed by your practitioner.

Dosages, indications and any other information contained herein is suggested use only and not to be considered treatment recommendations.

Please consult with a healthcare provider for treatment of any illness or condition, especially if you are pregnant, breast-feeding or considering treating a child."

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The rizols look very interesting.

Can one take them indefinitely (or however long it takes to get into remission)?

Does anybody have experience taking rizols long term? Like a few months at a time. And was there a new baseline achieved afterwards?

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quote:

Ozonated Olive Oil Is A Powerful Peroxide
August 20th, 2008 Posted in Newsletter, Ozone Therapy

During the period of August 1998 until August 2000 several Japanese hospitals and other institutions conducted an experiment on the effectiveness of ozonated olive oil for surgical incisions. Only cases having difficulty in healing were used. For the 20 individuals in the study who participated, treatment with other methods of healing such as antibiotic ointments and drainage left them burdened with injuries that resisted all attempts to be cured.

The Breakdown of Cases

Three cases of open infections resulting from hernia operations were healed with as little as five applications of ozonated olive oil. In four individuals where appendicitis openings became troublesome wounds ozonated olive oil was reported to have cured the damaged area within 3 to 10 applications. Cysts were a little more difficult to remedy, yet all healed within 10 to 24 treatments. The only open wound that did not heal through the utilization of ozonated olive oil was a 1 inch abscess hole located near the buttocks. The remaining 19 cases were cured with ozonated olive oil.

How Does Ozonated Olive Oil Affect the Body?

When ozonated olive oil comes in contact with pus it destroys the living bacterium within the infection. This causes the pus to first solidify, then dry up.

Ozonated olive oil is known to destroy bacterium, viruses and fungi, as well as some parasites, venoms and poisons. With each of these entities ozonated olive oil destroys through oxidization, which is the process of burning without fire. Oxidization is accomplished when the positive charge of an organism is increased by the removal of electrons. This imbalance becomes the equivalent of blowing holes in the substance, which results in its destruction.

How is Ozonated Olive Oil Made?

It is a relatively easy process, though time consuming, to make ozonated olive oil. One needs an ozone generator, medical grade oxygen, ozone resistant tubing, a glass container and olive oil. Promolife sells ozone generators, oxygen concentrators and the tubing needed for making ozonated olive oil. Any wide mouth glass container can be used. The wide mouth is needed because finished ozonated olive oil becomes a thick paste, and would be difficult to remove from a narrow opening.

Fill less than half of the jar with olive oil. More oil should not be put into the jar, because during the final stage of the process the olive oil will bubble up the sides of the jar, causing it to increase its volume. These bubbles will eventually deflate, leaving the oil the consistency of a salve.

The length of time required for the creation of ozonated olive oil depends on the strength of the ozone going into the oil, and the volume of olive oil being processed. In general, three to nine weeks of continuous ozone flow into the liquid is required to make ozonated olive oil.

What happens to the oil during the process?

As ozone is bubbled into olive oil the molecules of the oil react in such a way that they are transformed into the ozonide molecule 10-hydroxydec-2 enoic acid (say that 10 times real fast and prove yourself a genius). Most call 10-hydroxydec-2 enoic acid C10H18O3 which is a powerful chemical that is created when ozone becomes attached to the double bond of an unsaturated compound. Huh? Well, the easy way to understand this is by realizing the olive oil does not absorb the ozone, instead the ozone transforms the olive oil into a succession of peroxide molecules with the final one being C10H18O3. C10H18O3 is also a major component of royal jelly made by honey bees, which also has anti-microbial abilities.

Ozonated olive oil will last for years if stored in refrigeration. And, unlike other medical treatments ozonated olive oil heals without any side effects.

http://www.promolifenews.com/?p=79
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Well I've been on Rizole "My" for 6 weeks now and my LLMD has no plans to take me off it it.

Klinghardt's guidelines say 2 months but I don't think that's anywhere near long enough for my level of infection.

Other than some nausea after I take the Rizol on an empty stomach I haven't experienced any side effects.

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CD57,

I question whether rizol "My" has any effect on babesia whatsoever. I'm not saying that it can't, but I don't think there's much reason to think that it does.

Just because it contains oil of Artemisia, doesn't mean it will affect Babesia. Ozonated oil of Artemisia is chemically very different from other Artemisia preparations taken for Babesia.

All three of the rizols I use contain oil of Artemisia. Dr. K (who uses rizols extensively) doesn't even mention them for use against Babesia.

Dr. H told me he didn't yet understand how the rizols worked against different pathogens with such similar ingredients. So I think assuming they hit Babesia is doubtful at this point.

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Can you tell me what is meant when you said add 'binders'?
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binders = things that soak up the toxins released from dying spirochetes and other nasties.

binders should not be taken at the same time as the medicines/herbs. you should wait several hours so that the medicine has had a chance to do its work.

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Andrew -- thanks! I wondered about this too. Is there any way to ask your ND about this? I bet she would know.
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