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atheana
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Hi,
Wow, have I been out of it.

Over 2 month off of abx.

Just had my mercury removed,at lease I hope they got it all. I hve alot of crowns and you wonder if they just left the old mercury under the crown.

Have felt so weak and my right shoulder is still hurting me. I am having therapy on it.

Hot and cold all the time.

I have been taking chlorella and all my vitamins.

Wed a colonic,got to get these buggars out.

I have an appointment with Dr.W in Germany on April 6.

Was just wondering if I could ask some of you who went some questions.

Now that I have booked everything but the car people are coming up with so many other alternatives for me.

Teasel root.

Also, a place called Bhakti Healing Center (which can treat Lyme).

It is all confusing,ofcourse I want to say the money but I don't hear of people getting well.

I want my life back,just like all of us do.

This sure is confusing.

Any advise?

Thanks,
Atheana

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MariaA
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I don't do any expensive treatments because I can't afford them (OK, I am on Mepron, but some angels gave it to me, bless their hearts). So here's my unbiased opinion of teasel, which I take:
-it's an OK herb for some arthritis manifestations of Lyme

-the original 'research' on it was a veyr, very small sample of under 10 patients

-most people don't have very dramatic results

-there's some overblown hype about it due to one lady who did a web page about it (I think quite a while ago) that gets a lot of attention. Also, the original herbalist who wrote it up, Matthew Wood, really thought he was onto something big and in my opinion sprang the news prematurely that he'd found a promising Lyme treatment. In his book I think he talks about a total of 4 patients who improved on it, which I think is a bit irresponsible for him to have done. This was in the late 90s and there was very little information available about treating Lyme herbally.


-generally you can tell on Lymenet when something really works well, and this is one of the herbs that doesn't seem to do anything dramatic

there are lots of great LLMD's in the US who treat with both antibiotics and herbal medicine and other supplements. Since most of our cases are individual, you probably want to put your energy into finding a good LLMD that can work with your individual issues rather than trying to find the one silver bullet treatment, which really doesn't seem to exist at the moment.

How long were you on antibiotics? If you're still having symptoms you might still need to be on them. If you're having chills and hot flashes you might have a babesia type of problem, or one of the other coinfections. Did your doctor treat/find this? That's sometimes the big trick to dealing with lyme.

For herbal treatment, the Buhner Protocol and a few other herbal ones seem to do much better- it's a complex disease, and the protocols usually require several herbs, in high doses. They work well for Lyme. The coinfections seem to be harder to tackle herbally. See my signature for more herbal discussion here at Lymenet.

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diet: http://lymefriends.ning.com/group/healthylowcarbrecipes
Homemade Probiotics thread
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atheana
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Thank you MariaA,
I have been on oral and Iv abx for one year. My body is finished with them. I would like to take a more holistic approach.

Thanks for info on Teasel root.

My LLMD was only for abx and probiotics (nothing else).

I would like to have mingled both wstern and Eastern.
Thanks again,
Atheana

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R62
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Some people do better on teasel root. Lady Barbara also used St. John Wort (which in honeopathic form is used for preventative measures) and possibly boneset? Its on her site.

Some Alternative doctors mix it with other herbals.

One of my doctors, not a LLMD, but a well known preventative doctor at least in our area said that some of his patients did well on it.. esp if milder cases.

My daughter is on it with lyme nosodes. She didherx in the beginning a very little. We've ramped up to 8 drops twice a day, but not much herxing after that.

I think it depends.. ?? Person, type of Bb, stage of Bb.. and so on.

Im guessing it did help lady Barbara or she would say it did.

It could be one of those herbs that helps some and depends as well.

Matthew Woods books are excellent. I love them. They are not focused on the treatment of lyme. Lyme is a blurb with teasel.

Edit; she used grapefruit seed extract which supposedly addresses cyst form.

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MariaA
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I really don't think the Lady Barbara website is very good advice herbally. This disease comes and goes in a lot of people and it's easy to confuse that with thinking that something has 'worked'.

There's much better info out there since she put that up, that has actually workd for many people from what we can tell here at Lymenet and at other forums.

Buhner's book is one of the better options, as is Dr Zhang's chinese medicine protocol. you can find the links through the thread in my signature.

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R62
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I didnt say it was the book too go by. I said I believe she is stating her experience. I also think she might have been relapsing, but if the herb worked for her it did. She also lists other hebs she took. It is an account not the bible.

I have every lyme book known to man and a blog full of info that I keep track of for myself, and I know how to put this info into perspective.

Perhaps we should call the lady and have her verify her web posts with an affidavit?

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Good links, Maria. Stil stand by what I said. The herb has been helpful to some people and I am not going to call LB a liar. She claims to be well today, best I can tell. Her experience.
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"Just had my mercury removed,at lease I hope they got it all. I hve alot of crowns and you wonder if they just left the old mercury under the crown".


I hope you had a good biological dentist. Such a dentist would not leave amalgams under a crown.

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atheana
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I did have a great Biological dentist.

But how can they tell what's under the crowns without taking them out?
Thanks all for great info.

I leave for Germany April 3rd. I notice I am getting more sym.

My teeth that weren't touch really are sore and sensitive.
Atheana

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Teasel may be helpful but I'd sure not put all my hopes on it. Here's a recent thread from here at Lyme Net:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/78036?

Topic: Teasel Root cures Lyme ?


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Teasel - 34 abstracts

Teasel root - 7 abstracts


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I just searched that healing center you listed, Bhakti Healing Center. From the little available at their site, I'd sure not put all my bets on that. They do NOT treat lyme, they address some detox methods. There is a huge difference.


http://www.bhaktihealingcenter.com/

Healing Lyme Disease

This program helps your body to detox the poisons of Lyme disease, cleanse heal and get relief from the pain.

10 day stay includes - daily healing/detoxing diet and supplements

$795/person (plus cost of room)

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I don't see anything that is directly addressing the infections. For someone with money to burn, this might be a very nice nurturing experience but it certainly does not seem to be designed to address the actual infections.


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atheana
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Thanks all!
I can hardly type today. Yesterday I had a colonic and it has knocked me to the floor. I am so weak ,blood pressure 76/60.
I ache all over.
Atheana

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I took teasel root a long time ago. LLMD thought it was going to be the next big thing.

Nothing happened.

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