randibear
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i was just reading an article where this woman died from a heart attack and they said it was because she was taking tons of supplements. i don't remember what they were...
so i'm curious. if you are taking these supplements, like samento, andrographis, etc., can they cause heart attacks or strokes or soemthing?
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Scary! I want to know now. I don't believe it's healthy for anyone to be popping hundreds of pills per day. I listen to some stories of people on here taking 30+ supplements daily and shiver. NOT GOOD!!
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Obviously it depends upon what's being taken and in what doses. Could you post the story? Could have very easily been anti-supplement propaganda...
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randibear,
Yes, could you please post the link to that article? Or the magazine, date, page, title, etc. This is really important. I try to track such articles and would really appreciate that.
Until I know more, it's impossible to comment specifically. Although, it does seem that the press really jumps on any chance to paint supplements in a bad light. The FDA and AMA, too.
As for what you are taking, if you've read all the literature you can get your hands on, that should answer your question.
If you have a good ND or L.Ac. (licensed naturopathic physician or acupuncturist), that increases chances of success.
Employing wisdom in brand and dose matters much There have been some cases of supplements being dangerous related to poor quality measures or a person's own harmful habits (such cigarettes, aspartame, mixing with liver-taxing drugs, etc.).
In general, I recommend NEVER taking anything to BOOST anything. If you get a charge out of any supplement, your body will pay in some ways.
As for the heart, problems in the past with Ma Huang but that is available now only through a doctor - but mainly the problems all stemmed from abuse of the product.
MACA, too, is one that can be too stimulating for some people.
All the sexual enhancement pills on late-night TV are just a time bomb waiting to go off (and not in the ways buyers think).
Still, knowing what happened in this case would be helpful. I hope you can find that link.
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People forget that supplements *can* be as potent as medicines - just 'cause they're plant derivatives doesn't make them any safer - plus it's an unregulated industry - hence my hesitation to use too many medicines or herbs/supplements.
Years ago I bought "Mag-Cal" from an infomercial (I know, stupid) and ended up calling EMS and was transported to hospital as I began to experience chest tightness, inability to breathe, chest pain, etc. Luckily everything was OK, adverse reaction.
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oops, maybe wrong one. i'll keep looking. nope, one subject says "woman dies cause of herbal supplement" and then another one about two guys dying of prostate illness after ordering something on the web.
there's several articles about people using alternative medicine.
i may have posted the wrong thingie. but it's from the wolf's den site. i tried to copy but it's all protected and i can't. sorry.
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Not much information there to substantiate that she died from an herbal medication. You would need something that substantiates cause of death, the same as you do to prove that death is caused by pharmaceuticals.
As far as samento. It is an immune system modulator. If it helps fight infection, you could potentially herx just like you do with other medications that kill bacteria.
I often have air hunger as a result of a herx. For me it is associated with acetylcholine which is used up by toxins from borrelia. I've posted about this here before. If you are interested, please search for "acetylcholine" and you will find some info about it.
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Is alternative medicine just a load of hocus pocus?
They open with this: ``The recent death of a student using Chinese herbal medicine has reignited controversy over alternative therapies. With little regulation and scant evidence of effectiveness, are users risking their health?''
But that person's identity and details were not given. There is no way to comment without the details.
Good take home points of the article:
* crucial that you visit a reputable practitioner -
* don't let anyone snap and crack your neck
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The person pictured was not the woman who died (and we never find out more about that person - no documentation).
The woman pictured is mentioned at the end of the article:
`` . . . Ten years ago, Frances Denoon, now 38, sought help for a stiff neck from a chiropractor in Bristol.
. . . But on her third visit, he performed a technique called a high-velocity thrust on her neck. . . .''
"At the hospital, MRI scans showed that I'd had a stroke caused by a vertebral artery dissection and doctors said it was induced by the manipulation."
Frances lapsed into a coma and was in hospital for two months.''
She ``started a support group, chirovictims.org.uk ``
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While this article makes some valid points about quality of care or products and having a practitioner who is tops, the author clearly has not studied this subject and has left out so much good that could have been mentioned.
The title of the article is not good journalism by any means. But, they are using that hook to sell the tabloid.
The author uses broad assumptions that are simply inadequate and some scare tactics without citation.
It might have been best to have it be more about the education for proper chiropractic care.
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I have done a basic search of BBC.com and see no reference to such an incident as the student's death as happening in the UK in the last half of 2008.
MENU on left of page will take you to the BASICS OF HERBS - and beyond.
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Repeat: this book does NOT discuss any treatment for lyme (other than a passing reference to sarsaparilla at http://tinyurl.com/2eeqct ).
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