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My husband borrowed a rife machine from a friend and I did my first session yesterday.
The consensus from here from my symptoms was that it sounds like I have Babs and Bart so we decided to use both frequencies.
Within an hour of doing the treatment which consisted of using 3 different frequencies (LD 432, Bart 832, and Babs 570) I began having a major herx. I only sat in front of each frequency for a minute each.
My Anxiety shot up through the roof, which was the worst of it, my speech became slurred, I was freezing like there was no tomorrow, and I ached all over. In addition, I just felt sick all over.
I took some milk thistle and some charcoal tablets and about 8 hours after the treatment, things settled down a bit and I was able to get to bed.
I slept for almost 12 hours and awoke again with terrible anxiety, which is much worse than what I usually experience. My eyes were glazed over like a very sick person. Again, I was freezing. I drank some hot green tea to warm up, which worked. I took some Klonopin, which is what I normally take and my anxiety has come down a bit, but I still feel sick as a dog.
Can anyone relate to this, and is this Herx still considered a good thing, despite the terrible suffering. I just have trouble putting the two together.
If anyone has any recommendations for me, I would love to hear them. As always, thank you all so much in advance.
Shannon
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Hey Shannon,
I bought a rife machine a few months ago and the first time I used it I herxed within an hour too.
I did not have the severe anxiety, but that's because I didn't use any Bart frequencies, and I'm guessing that's what's causing such an increase in yours.
What I did have was just an all consuming sick, weak feeling and an uncontrollable need to sleep.
You're brave for doing all three frequencies at once! I'm still doing Lyme and detox frequencies but I plan on doing the bart and babs soon.
These machines are the real deal. What you need to do now is focus on detoxing - drink as much water as possible, and adding lemon and olive oil is even better as well as tons of green tea.
Hope it passes for you soon!
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Yup that's typical. It'll alleviate within about two months. It decreases in severity each month. The first month is brutal for most patients.
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Since I'm pretty sensitive to stuff, I generally start something like that very conservatively. Believe it or not, I started with 5 seconds of exposure to a frequency.
Why about estalishing a minimal amount of exposure time for one infection only that does not cause a herx? And then do the same for each of the infections?
Then go slowly up from there. Methinks the more minimalized herx reaction would be a lot easier to handle.
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I don't see the type of machine. but my notes below are from my EMEM5 notes. I've not yet really started tx with rife, though.
I can't type much now, but MAGNESIUM is the most helpful thing to address each of the concerns.
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I think one minute for each freq was too much for your first time.
I would do 15 sec for each..stay there for a bit. i dont rife but have done a lot of research. I'm also a memeber of the yahoo rife group, You should join
Go slow..The good thing is it looks like it will work for you.
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I rifed for 15 seconds on the 832 frequency for Bart and got so sick that I'm scared to do that frequency again.
I always get sick after rifing. It's better to go really slow and work up to longer times.
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I think the initial Rife over dose is quite common.
First of all, if you are like me, you kind of half think that this rinky dink frequency generator can't really do much. Boy was I wrong on that one!
Luckily my wife had already lowered her bacterial load using Samento and Cumanda. Even then, she broke out with mouth sores, felt horrible and we did not do another treatment for over a week.
It really is important not to use it very long to begin with. No one reacts exactly the same so trial and error is the only way to know. Shoot for one thing at a time so you have some idea which frequencies are helping the most, and what you are killing.
I totally agree with the Magnesium recommendation. Mg is something that everyone with Lyme should take automatically. I think it is the single most important supplement.
It works pretty darn well for a quack device with no value for treating disease, doesn't it.
I am curious as to what kind of machine you are using?
D Bergy
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You don't have to sign up for PubMed and abstracts are free to read . . . I wonder if you were at another site.
PubMed is just abstracts. Sometimes the full article is accessible but not often. Still, often the abstracts are quite informative.
You might try taking most of a headline and paste it to Google. Sometimes, you can access the full article that way.
"Google Scholar" also can help decrease the fluff when you search.
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I agree D-B, for a quack box, all reports have been extremely positive. Initial responses range from devastating, to no effect at all, but those who stick with it and systematically work thru each known frequency for each problem, have been at least 85% positive and higher over a 6 month time frame.
The EMEM3D2 is what I have, but like some others, I haven't started it. I'm still rotating heavily through antibiotics to see how far down I can suppress or kill infections and co-infections before I get into a serious Rife routine.
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The first response is the worse from a "herx" standpoint.
Running a "general frequency" list first - to rid old infections that maybe still in us and vaccines - is suggested.
This is the danger of using Rife BEFORE you talk to others and learn as much as you can BEFORE you attempt this.
You CAN counter resultant inflammation to a degree with activated charcoal.
However, know that activated charcoal will absorb almost every drug in your system too.
So if you are on life saving drugs...caution using activated charcoal!
E EPA might help (OmegaBrite) 'cause it reduces TNF alpha AND IL 1B. It is a very high (concentrated) level of one of the Omega 3s - EPA, though it also contains some DHA and vitamin E too.
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I started with 2 min for lyme and Erlichia. A fellow lymie said to do this. Not a good thing for me.Extreme herx.I spaced on energy testing the mins and it was a mistake. So I am just doing 1 min,which I have worked up to.We are all so different and what works for one does not work for another. With energy testing my Dr got 13 sec for Bart. I'm a bit scared as I herx so badly with everything and I see others have herxed hard with the Bart frequency.I have a EMEM5A. Just wanted to say The lyme and rife group is shutting down but if u go there you will see others are starting up to take over. Someone also posted all kinds of Bart frequencies there. I hope this thread keeps going.Its good to connect with others doing Rife.
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I, too, started with 2 minutes. Not a good idea for me, either. It scared me away.
I think the 15 seconds is a great idea. And I would just do it for ONE of the infections. Back it with the 10K freq. to finish. That can be a bit longer (suggested time).
Another 12 days before any more rife at infection frequencies, from what I've been told.
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So I don't understand what it means when you are saying, end with 10. So does someone turn it down while you are touching it? I need much information. You hold it in front of your body? Where? Then hold it with your hands? I'm so lost!!! But I will be trying this very soon and I just wanted to make sure I'd be doing it right. So I will def need to be on Mag? Can I still take my abx and use my Green Vibrance?
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Can the 10K be done every day? Wondering if that would help with detox.
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Sounds bad. A minor to moderate herx is better, I think.
Starting with less time is the advice I got. I'm doing 30 seconds per frequency, and plan to stay at that for a while. I'll add new frequencies and gradually go up in time in 15-second increments.
Then do the 10,000 + other detox frequencies the next day. If I'm herxing, I feel better in an hour or two after the detox ones.
Take care, Nutmeg
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10,000 the detox freq can and will sometimes be hard to handle too. So start slow with that also.
I wouldn't do the detox daily until you see how YOUR body is going to react. Your body can only detox as fast as your body can detox. Understand?
Also verynew, I would separate my bart, babs and lyme sessions. This way you can tell which exactly is bringing on what healing crisis.
Don't try doing everything at one time. This is a process and yes it is slow. But slow is so much easier on the body.
You could herx for months. I did for about 18 mths. I could only use my machine every 7-10 days due to the reactions being so hard.
My machine is considered a very powerful rife machine. But my body was a walking toxic landfill also and had no clue how to eliminate toxins.
My body had to be taught slowly and using many different protocols to detox.
Pam
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map1131 - what did you do to eliminate the toxins from using the Rife?
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The Machine we borrowed is an EMEM5A as "Healing in Santa Cruz" has. We have read this machine is one of the more powerful ones out there.
Perhaps this is the reason for the drastic response as well.
Shannon
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sparkle, that was about 5 yrs ago. I was seeing a naturopath and no telling what all I did. I'd have to dig up the long list of things I did.
To name a few....colonics hydrotherapy, lymph drainage, green drinks, distilled water by the tons, many different detox products, detox baths, 7 day cleanse with colonics.
I really had to detox the 3 yrs worth of abx and teach my body how to detox. That's why I could only use rife every 7-10 days. I was too toxic and unable to release dead toxins due to the build up in my body.
Pam
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Hi Everyone, I am confused about Bart frequencies. The info I received with my EMEM 5A says 1518. Someone here posted 832. Then on the lyme and Rife group they posted a whole list of numbers. Can someone explain please. I see this with Lyme, Babs and others. Trying to understand,but hard with brain fog and confusion. Any help appreciated. Thanks Joyce
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These are the frequencies listed in the CAFL, which stands for Consolidated Annotated Frequency List. This is the most used list of frequencies.
These are compiled by amateur and some rather professional researchers. The frequencies are not 100% reliable as the thorough testing is not a realistic option for the average researcher using his own time and money. There also may be different strains that react to different frequencies.
If a person uses the listed frequencies there is a good chance one or more will work to one extent or another.
It all is experimental, and that makes it inexact. If someone reports a certain frequency helping then that is a good place to start.
Dan
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Rife or any other treatment does very little if like most of us you are also heavy metal and chemically toxic. As you kill a couple of critters, you are shifting the environmental toxins around --- none of that feels good. They are circulating and finding other places to settle.
Usually, people are in trouble also because we are finding that most Lymies are allergic to metals and they do not leave on their own free will very readily, because the body does not recognize them as toxins and sort of packs them away any place.
Please read some of my posts. We did many energetic treatments - they do not work longterm unless you address the allergies to the different substances. These "pseudo allergies" are a big contributor to why we became ill in the first place. Definitely not the Lyme infection only. The Lyme infection more or less was the straw that broke the camel's back. Many people have Lyme or are infected with it and do not get deadly ill as many of us here do.
Stressing your body to the extent you describe is not contributing to healing. To the contrary.
Take care.
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I'm still Herxing from the Rife I did now on day 5 post Rife. Is this still bacterial die off toxins that havn't rid my body causing me to feel so drained and for better words (out of it), i.e I can't seem to think straight.
All of my symptoms prior to Rifing are about 2-3 times worse now.
Before Rifing, I could run simple errands, now I can't even leave the house I feel so ill.
Is it possible that I killed off lots of bacteria and that I'm very toxic even after 5 days of my first treatment ?
I don't know what they would do for me, but I feel so sick that I have contemplated going to the hospital. Again, what would they do for me.
I can tell you my eyes are glazed over and hazy looking all day long consistant with someone who is very ill. My anxiety remains through the roof.
Shannon
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You sound like one of those people that cannot detox well naturally. You may want to post a question as to good detox methods you could try.
No matter how you go about killing the Lyme, you will have trouble if it takes a week or longer to clear your system of all the remaining toxins.
Another possibility is that the frequencies killed much of the bacteria, but also injured a bunch. As your immune system attacks the weakened bacteria, it is constantly adding to the die off.
I do not have much experience with detox as it has never been a problem for my wife. She has used Burbur on occasion and it did seem to help. Lots of Real Lemonade can help also.
Do not use the machine until you are back to what is normal for you. And use very short times.
Dan
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I'd highly recommend an epsom salt bath immediately. A lot of the health food stores sell detox teas. Yogi has a decent one which will help tremendously.
Do a search for the best way to detox, there are lots of good ideas from others.
I too use a rife machine but didn't have that kind of reaction the first time I did it. My main symptom after rifing was more fatigue and a massive headache.
Start slow, those machines are powerful. I spent a while on abx, and also did a lot of heavy metal detoxing before I attempted the rife machine.
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I would suggest you not do another rife session for many days. Dan's suggestion that you do some major detoxing sounds right on.
I'm not recommending detox with the rife machine either? Are you continuing to use it?
Water, water and more water, every day. Detox baths. What is going on with your colon (bowel movements) etc.
I found or finally realized after years of struggling that when your liver, kidneys, colon, gall bladder are not working or on overload...
they will make your entire body miserable. They are screaming for help. There is so much more to doing rife machine treatments or any other heavy duty protocol.
You can't kill these bacteria quickly. They will make you pay dearly. It is called a slow process and one must learn the meaning and practice the PATIENCE is a virtue motto.
Pam
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