Has anyone had experience with using clove bud for bartonella. I am curious - should I expect a " big time herx". And howabout the Houttuynia(sp). I can work now- but I am getting to the point where I am having difficulty functioning again. The pain in the bones, droopy eyes, headaches, blurry vision, and uncontrollable fatigue are not my favorite passtime
thanks for your help canyon
Lyme Disease past 3 1/2 years with Babesia, Saw an LLMD and now a naturpath Failed on abx - On herbal
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Is your ND a member of ILADS? Is your ND exceptionally LL?
Be sure that your ND has the necessary education in this area - as most do not at all. There is one in Oregon who is splendid. Perhaps that is who you are seeing. But, if you were, you would have received a very specific protocol.
Not sure about that - He does attend the Lyme Disease conferences. I do live in Oregon now and am seeing a naturopath that has successfully treated others with LD. Actually, I moved here from CA 11 months ago to challenge my self. HA! Essentially managing myself with herbs. But the symptoms have returned- specifically Bart. thanks for your response
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Is anyone successful with using clove bud for bartonella. I am afraid of the herx.....
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I have a small bottle of clove bud oil and have no idea how to use it; the bottle states explicitly that one should not take it orally, only transdermally. But I've also read that it should be taken orally...anyone know how to take it and how much to take? Thanks!
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That is what I am trying to find out. I have read that it should be taken with olive oil or other safe carrier oils such as sesame. Landerss--- too many bottles right! thanks
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"Offering further hope was Dr. Schaller's discussion of clove bud essential oil, which he contends has been effective for ridding bartonella in a handful of his patients (who had tried it on their own). He advocates high doses of 75% diluted clove bud oil with olive, coconut or grape seed oil, although again, did not comment on what constitutes a "high dose." So you'll have to jump on some rabbit trails if you want the answer to that one" thanks canyon
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I have started taking clove powder capsules (make my own) 2 three times daily along with artemsia annua herb 4 three times daily with raw garlic.
I started this as a gut parasite cleanse and to cover babs(which I do not have many symptoms of). I started doing this protocol about 2 weeks ago. I do it on my 3 days off the IV ricephin Frid- Sund.
I was not aware that cloves were effective against Bart but I have noticed very sore shins this morning after my recent round and it does make me think.
This 3 day protocol has also caused me to have alot of trouble getting to sleep at night which I did not have a problem with for a long time. I feel it may be disturbing something in the brain.
I will continue this protocol and see how it goes. Either I am killing Bart, or my bart is coming back since coming off Levaquin after 5 months in Jan.
I will keep you posted. Interesting to read about the cloves though.
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Canyon, that link is the one that I read, as well - and it's pretty vague, huh?!
Has anyone jumped on the "rabbit trails"?
Interesting what you found, NMN. Please do keep us posted on the encapsulated cloves! I've been popping a clove bud from my spice rack here and there just in case it might kill something
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Hi Landers....I actually love cooking indian food so I have heaps of powdered herbs in the cupboard.
Its funny you should say that as I had been tring to swallow buds before bud they are far too sharp and hard to break up.
I just decided to encapulate the clove powder as something new to try. Far easier to take in large doses this way.
I will see how it goes and report any changes.
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NMN, that will be interesting, but bear in mind that the spice itself will be much less powerful than the essential oil.
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Hi Carry, I agree but I cant afford to be spending anymore money on tinctures and oils. I like to use the whole herb in anything these days as its so much cheaper to encapsulate myself.
I use raw artemsia annua herb and garlic cloves too. I feel that it should be effective if taken in larger doses.
Thanks
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You are doing great with flexing between the abx and herbs. I find it interesting that the regimme is disturbing your sleep. Recently read the bartonella cause encephalopathy. All the barts in the brain must be fighting while on the clove bud.
Are you using artemsia for the Babs. I have not taken it for some time. The garlic is great with basil and olive oil!! Landerss, I agree - the dosing is vague... I will wait for the w/e to try it. canyon
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You may want to do a search for Rizols. Dr K in WA uses them. There are several combinations - one has clove oil.
I was just doing some research on them this evening. Looks interesting...
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NMN, that's very enterprising of you to use raw artemisia annua too: I wouldn't even know what it looks like!
I do have some clove oil and have taken the odd drop in water [nothing more than 1 or 2], but too many other things were being taken at the same time to register: I haven't yet tried it as a dedicated thing, so Rizols have been on my list for the future for quite some time!
I am using more turmeric in my cooking for its health properties: mm, I love raw garlic too
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canyon, I have not quite figured out exactly what is happening. I am taking the Artems to cover Babs as my LLMD clinically diagnosed it.
The artems clove and garlic would be quite effective against yeast aswell according to my LLMD. I have had some bloating and stuff lately so he wants me to up the nystatin too.
I have not needed much treatment to resolve the babs symptoms so I don't think it is a major player for me.
I had air hunger on an off last year during lyme treatment but that has resolved now and I only take one malarone a day.
Carry, If you go into 1stchineseherbs you will find alot of cheap useful high quality herbs including Artems.
I have heard about Rizols for Bart but I have not yet heard of any success with it.
Levaquin has done amazing stuff for me so my LLMD said in his summary on Friday he will look at pulsing in factive soon and also switch up to a stronger cyst buster such as flagyl.
For me nothing touches this stuff better than hard drugs. Wish it werent so!
Carry, I use lots of turmeric too. Got really into cooking since all this started. Got fed up with reading labels on jars in the super market. Honestly I do not trust the food industry at all. They hide so much sh*t in everything.
Make it yourself fresh and its ten times nicer. In the case of Indian food, If you have got 4 hours to spare LOL Tikka Masala is hard work I tells ya.
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