Topic: U S AIR Plane Just landed In Phila. With Medical Emergency
glm1111
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I just heard this on the 6 o'clock news that a 24 yr old male/female? was on this plane that arrived from CANCUN,MEXICO!!!!
It was serious enough that the pilot called ahead stating that they had a medical emergency. This person was complaining of flu symptoms and were rushed to Methodist Hospital.
Everyone else on the plane is now roaming around in the public. Does anyone else here think that these people should have been quarantined?
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Yes! At least till the person was evaluated. I mean, it's all you hear about on the news today.
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I agree with you on this one!
Geez, what planet are these people from that they wouldn't even think of that?
Great, so now we'll have people in another state contaminated.
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Ugh! So sorry about this. I read yesterday a 9 year old boy who lives in a town one hour from us was diagnosed with the Swine flu. I hope this turns out to be mostly hype.
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This is how it will spread. Through dumb people who don't think that they can pass it to others!
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oh that's nothing. i was on a flight and this idiot had to go to the hospital -- for TUBERCULOSIS......
we all tested negative, but man, i'd like to have choked her....
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We live in a country where most people only think of themselves. And what's convenient for them. And what they can get for nothing.
The borders should be closed temporarily until the flu is under control. That's common sense.
This is why we have borders, but those in charge do not have the courage to enforce our laws. Not politically correct as usual. Protecting Americans would be the right and respected thing to do at this time.
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Dare I say - it almost seems like they want it to spread...
One would have thought that they would have put up more restrictions on people going in & out of Mexico City - as soon as word was out.
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Archeologist Who Greeted Obama in Mexico City, ``Died the Following Day from Symptoms Similar to Flu''
April 26th, 2009 Via: Bloomberg
The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama's trip to Mexico City on April 16.
Obama was received at Mexico's anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported.
The newspaper didn't confirm if Solis had swine flu or not.
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A bit odd... no?
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they just had on channel 4 that mexico has had swine for A WHOLE MONTH AND NEVER TOLD ANYBODY...
now that's real considerate isn't it?
death toll is now over 150 in mexico city with over 1600 confirmed cases.
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I'd be willing to bet they didn't de-contaminate the plane either. Not good!!
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I am just sitting here in UTTER SHOCK!! These morons just literally dumped this flu on a major U.S city!!
I think I will get a mask and gown, call the media and carry a sign saying "WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?" I am afraid to go anywhere.
The people on that plane have to be from all over the area and some from out of town. I just don't understand the stupidity.
Good point Imagine2 that they probably didn't decontaminate the plane. I wonder where it flew to? (excuse the pun)
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There is no way they are going to contain an airborne illness like this. It will make the rounds to every state. Huge numbers of people commute to Philadelphia from NJ daily.
But I agree those passengers should have been quarantined until they accessed the situation.
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The real problem is that Mexico did not have the technology to test to identify the exact strain of the virus. Those tests had to be done in the U.S. and Canada. That is one of the reasons for the delay in identifying the virus.
This is one of the reasons that many of the deadly viruses come from disadvantaged parts of the world. If people there get sick and die then it is just assumed it was from malnutrition or poor sanitation etc. Until some of those people carry the virus to another part of the world and then the more virulent pathogens get identified.
Sad, but that is the reality.
As for the U.S. response -- do we even have a surgeon general right now since Gupta bowed out?
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No, we don't have one. Mexico also let this virus fester and brew for several months before it could no longer hide the problem.
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Okay, UPDATE The 11 o'clock news said that health workers from the CDC went to the plane.
One passanger said that they were given forms to fill out with symptoms to look for if they felt sick.
They were given something to wash their hands with. The sick passanger was a 24 yr old woman who was rushed to the hospital.
She was not scheduled to get off in Phila. No confirmation yet on the test results for swine flu.
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That's pretty wild that there's no surgeon general... I didn't realize that.
There are too many "coincidences" for this to be some "natural" occurrence. It's been brewing for a while -
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gotta say my eyebrows rose up when news reports the "epicenter" of the outbreak in mexico was noted to haves swine flu with high death toll before ever reported.
no mexican officals will state where/when /how this really started.
then oboma makes a visit??
maybe been on lymenet tooo much and starting to think conspiricy therory??? has someone been playing with germs again folks???
then the strain here (u.s.) is little different and is mix of 4 virilant influenza strains...my oh my......
but rest assured all, the CDC has islolated virus for vaccine purposes!! who would want to stand in line for that??
maybe will try to give lyme vaccine at same time??
ok, done ranting about what seems like dirty pool at play within a government (s)
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Incompetence is not needed now. We are being lied to on all fronts, by the media and by our elected and appointed officials and now with our health in jeopardy, I can't be silent any longer.
We gave away our freedoms and our principles with the last election. Wake up America, who can we trust?
We need someone with experience to make the tough decisions to protect our nation! But Americans did not vote for experience. We like celebrities and have gotten used to images created by media presentation. We got what we voted for!
Wake up America, There is no one with experience running our country today. They will learn by their mistakes, but we cannot afford that right now! No surgeon General, but we do have a first dog!
America is ripe for the picking by other nations...and we are being tested by them for sure!
Who can tell me one positive tangible thing they have personally benefited from in the past 100 days?
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I just psted something that came into my email.Maybe can help you guys !
Read under road2 post about swine flue..
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Alv
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I also received this!
People are working to get to the right frequencies (rifing ) for that .
Somebody send me from another forum. ---------------his email-----------------
This well-written article speaks about possible resistance to Tamiflu developing in the new swine influenza. Hat-tip to the folks at the Pandmic Information Forum. https://www. singtomeohmuse. com/viewforum. php?f=1
In the meantime, please help spread the word that Tamiflu IS NOT A VACCINE. It is an antiviral medicine given out when people get influenza, and it is specific for influenza virus (not other viruses). There is some bad reporting about this in mainstream media, leading people to mistakenly think there is a vaccine for this outbreak, when there is none.
Experts eye flu's potential for resistance to Tamiflu April 27, 2009, 6:06 pm
Two New Zealanders expert in genetic shifts and mutations of influenza strains say there is a risk that the swine flu virus spreading out of Mexico may acquire resistance to Tamiflu.
Two New Zealanders expert in genetic shifts and mutations of influenza strains say there is a risk that the swine flu virus spreading out of Mexico may acquire resistance to Tamiflu.
Also known by the chemical name oseltamivir, Tamiflu has been stockpiled by the World Health Organisation (WHO), New Zealand's Ministry of Health and governments worldwide for use in the event of an influenza pandemic.
It slows the spread of the flu virus in the body and is a key tool for protecting essential workers such as doctors and nurses during the three months or more that it may take to develop effective vaccines for a pandemic flu strain.
But resistance to the retro-viral drug is increasingly being found in seasonal flu viruses in New Zealand -- four last year and one this year -- in line with similar surveillance in other southern hemisphere countries and the United States.
Dr Sue Huang, head of the WHO National Influenza Centre run by New Zealand's Institute of Environmental Science and Research, told NZPA the centre was monitoring oseltamivir resistance to guide policy on the use of Tamiflu.
Dr Huang said from Geneva, where she is attending a WHO meeting on national influenza centre contingency plans, that it was "extremely important" to monitor oseltamivir resistance because of the reliance being placed on Tamiflu stockpiles in the event of a pandemic.
She warned there was a possibility that as the swine influenza spread among people already exposed to Tamiflu-resistant strains of influenza, the swine flu may evolve resistance to the drug.
"Influenza virus is notoriously unpredictable, " she said.
"It is very important to monitor closely in order to provide early warning if (this) situation ... emerged."
New Zealand virologist Richard Webby, director of the WHO collaborating centre for studies on the ecology of influenza viruses in lower animals and birds at St Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, told NZPA the risk of a Tamiflu-resistant swine flu evolving was a "valid possibility" .
"Flu viruses do exchange gene segments and it is possible that the swine virus could swap out its neuraminidase (the target for oseltamivir) with a human strain," he said.
Problems would arise if the resulting virus was able to grow well and transmit between humans.
Dr Huang, based at the National Centre for Biosecurity and Infectious Diseases at Lower Hutt, said that the Tamiflu resistant strains of seasonal flu found in New Zealand had all been from the influenza A family. Strains resistant to oseltamivir emerged in the Northern Hemisphere in January last year, and since then five viruses of the A/H1N1 strain had been detected in New Zealand patients, and reported to WHO.
According to the WHO, tests on H1N1 flu patients in 12 countries last year showed 31 percent had the H274Y mutation associated with Tamiflu resistance.
Southern Hemisphere incidence of the mutation in tests on the H1N1 virus ranged from 100 percent in South Africa to 13 percent in Chile. http://nz.news. yahoo.com/ a/-/top-stories/ 5526238
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From another anonimus doctor:
-------------------------------------------- I've just posted this on NY Times, wonder if I get past the moderator?
Cheers, XXXXXXX
http://community. nytimes.com/ article/comments /2009/04/ 28/health/ 28flu.html? s=2 April 27th, 2009 11:27 pm This swine flu virus looks like a very nice slicing job. A natural virus is the result of a pleomorphic process where bacteria that lives in between cells changes its life form and goes inside the cell. Bacteria is big, virus is minute.
These labaratory slicing jobs usually aren't good enough to get inside a cell, so their lifespan is very short. Nevertheless the intended effect is achieved: governments order vaccines - Big Pharma shares are up.
They could have at least made a version for pigs and infected a herd. Then pointed to the source of infection. But no, no swines with swine flu, totally relying on the media not to spot this minor flaw. Maybe infoholix.net will expose it.
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Amen, LP!
Seems pretty convenient that all those aging, mouldering stockpiles and overstocks of Tamiflu that were manufactured for the Bird-flu-that-never-came can now be sold like wildfire.... until it doesn't work anymore.
Sure took the focus off the ecomomic crisis, though, didn't it?
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...and made sure nobody would give half a d@mn about the IDSA review.
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Even China is using a machine to scan people at the airports for fevers. Why can't the US do that at major airports and border crossings if they are too dumb to shut down the border crossings.
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UPDATE.....12 o'clock noon news....24 yr old woman is still in hospital...her companion is showing symptoms and a government vehicle was sent to pick him up to take him to the hospital for observation.
The US AIR Plane went on to Boston with 175 people on board!!! Doesn't sound like they are even TRYING to contain this flu.
Sounds like they don't care enough to spend the money to quarantine the people on board this flight.
The results of the flu tests on the woman in the hospital will be in later today.
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Did our country ever have a good tract record and experience with infectious diseases since they did away with all the homeopathic hospitals? Certainly not in the last eight years.
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Yes that is how can people get distructed and not think about the CRISIS!!!
The history has told many cases like this.Sure Washington , NY and BOSTON will be efected.They have been always the target.
That is where the BRAIN is...so they will be accupied with the FLUE rather with the economy situations....a way to buy time isn`t it and destruction is what they need to use as a tool!!!!
Perfect timing !!!It always works in major % of populations!!!The history will always repeat itself.OLD FASHION strategics...just modernized nowdays!!!
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just getting up; haven't heard the latest, and also need to check on 2roads/ greta since she thinks she may have gotten it flying home after losing her baby surgery...
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alv said: Sure Washington , NY and BOSTON will be efected.They have been always the target.
That is where the BRAIN is...so they will be accupied with the FLUE rather with the economy situations....a way to buy time isn`t it and destruction is what they need to use as a tool!!!!
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I shan't say here what part of the anatomy those places represent but it sure isn't the brain.
If that wasn't a goofball elitist statement I never saw one, The rest of the country could happily do without the eastern seaboard I assure you.
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Lymeparfiat this is not a political board but a lyme board.
Last time we had an outbreak like this was in the 70's when some U.S. soldiers died and a Republican president said to hurry up and make a vaccine and at least 30 people died from the vaccine.
In a case like this I don't blame what party is in office. The CDC calls most of the shots and advises whatever administration is in office.
Don't even get me started on the last catastrophe that started on the other Presidents watch, Katrina.....
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I thought you would be able to read between lines!!!!
I meant "THE BRAIN "!!!!!!!
I capitalized it CHARLIE !!!! I should have put that in paranthesis...But again, this is not a politic forum to talk more about it.
A short sentence was enought to get the idea.The solution is how to boost our immune system and to share between all of us IN CASE we are caught up in between!!!
Also avoiding the vacines is imperative to us lymies!That is my decision ( we are all adults here to make our own decisions).No doctor or governemnt should do it for us!!
The knowledge is the power!!USE IT !!!Now more than never!! Sharing the information has made the last decades people to realise what is going on !That is all !!!
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I don't think the issue is with the president. Whoever they are - they are just puppets for a larger shadow gov't... We may have chocolate ice cream or vanilla - but it's still ice cream... if you know what I mean.
In my thinking - having a well placed flu pandemic will really decrease any public gatherings or protest (ie: the recent Tea Parties). It also allows the gov't to enact measures that go against the constitution, such as martial law, forcing people to be immunized, etc. Laws were passed recently that allow for this due to pandemic.
I think I read, that in the case of martial law due to pandemic - the United Nations can take over. Sort of getting into the realm of One World Gov't... They have already done this with the banks... I think they call it "harmonization"...
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Jar Jar,
You are right about this being a lyme board, but we are Americans with lyme. I am not a political person, just a very astonished American Mom who cannot understand why the current gov. has taken control of my freedoms, especially concerning my health and protection at the borders from viruses spreading across the border!
Not blaming any party...just upset at the current flu epidemic and the economic situation. And how this whole new stimulus plan will affect our getting any support for lyme. It is all unfortunatley connected.
This is medical from my perspective, and medical chronic illness research should have always been the top priority of our administration! Not a bandaid for all! If you read where the medical $ are going, you will all be shocked! Tax dollars going to that might as well been burned. Nothng is there of any consequence for researching the connections and cure that is needed for lyme and other conditions with associated symptoms.
Sick people cannot work or go to school! Yet we are spending the majority of our tax dollars there, not on research to find the cure for all the chronic disease that plague our nation. So our kids will be born healthy, and we can get healthy enough to actually work!
We are a very sick nation already, but only pockets of illnesses are recognized, not the epidemic we already face in this nation. Washington is blind to the enormity of it.
And only drug companies or university research facilities sponsored by drug co's are benefiting from this.
I have personally gotten better with natural protocols, which may very soon be outlawed in this free nation of ours.
It appears the swine flu has only gotten their attention, and rightfully so. But what is being done for this? We are not prepared, that's my point. The last adm. was not prepared either. People are panicking and rightfully so.
And who do I blame, it's us! Not the polititians, but us lymies and other chronic ill people who rely on others to wait for miraculous treatments. We haven't made the point well enough and are relying on some new Pres. to see it and change it and fix it. It isn't happening folks.
There are only a few on capital hill who have true compassion and understanding of the level of chronic illnesses in this nation, and lyme. They are the minority, and cross party lines. The rest want no part of us.
I am extremely independent politically, but I do have common sense and am not tainted by any political mind set. So maybe that's why I think I see things objectively.
I am still waiting for the positive "change" that was promised to me and you. Haven't seen that yet for my family and community. Yet I have seen change. Just my observation.
But I wasn't expecting so many poor decisions so fast that have lasting ramifications. That's all. And this does effect our lyme and co problems.
I am still reading the stimulus package. I come up with my own conclusions from what I have personally found out, not what the media is trying to feed me. I think many of us here are trying to do the same with lyme disease, while being frustrated with the CDC and ILADS.
It's so hard to know what is truth and what is lie if we listen too long to the media, gov, and those with an agenda.
We need to educate ourselves and not be fed false truths about our healthcare. That's my only point.
I am not political, just a concerned and educated American with lyme disease.
I think we need to band together, dem, rep. or whatever our bend, as concerned citizens for the common good. It makes common sense to me.
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re: Washington is blind to the enormity of it.
I don't think they are blind... I think they know exactly what they are doing. It's the masses who are blind.
(No offense to you personally, LP... I just think it's a bit worse than most people realize. All of this "plan" has been in preparation for a long time. I do not believe it's all a big coincidence.)
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UPDATE....The 5 o'clock news just stated that the tests for swine flu on this woman came back NEGATIVE!!
That's the good news. The bad news is the carelessnes of the CDC allowing the passengers on the plane to go on their merry way with the possibility of spreading this flu if the tests came back positive.
Just boggles the mind. Then they have the nerve to announce that they are trying to contain it. This BS just gets old along with them ignoring people who are suffering with an epidemic of Lyme disease.
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Political views not forthcoming....just some thoughts and information.
In an average year 36,000 die in the US from the "flu".
Not the swine flu, just the flu.
Very young and very old are the most likely to succumb.
My neighbor, a RN, who works at a hospital in New Orleans,
Was given a direct statement sent to all hospitals
Stating that they believe that all nurses should be fitted with 3M masks.
Those are the kind I had to wear when working with a patient with TB.
The statement further said (according to my neighbor)
That the CDC believes the reason the swine flu is of a milder form
Affecting Americans. They believe that it
Is due to most Americans' having at least one or two
Or many influenza vaccinations in our lifetimes.
I don't believe that people in Mexico are offered the vaccine.
Not the general populace anyways.
I also feel that while not much is said regarding the
36,000 individuals who die due to influenza yearly,
It certainly seems interesting with regards to the timing.
Pandemic economic crisis.....pandemic infection.
While I believe that a certain awareness needs to be maintained,
I am not running out and buying masks or getting Rx's for flu medicine
For the "just in case" scenario.
I have a child who was born with a hole in his heart.
I have had to get him the flu vaccine yearly as he is "high risk".
Any infection can enter and affect his heart more rapidly
Than someone who has never had this.
So, as a Mother, I am watchful, observant and pray.
Like all Mothers' do.
I think the Media Hype that goes along with this
Just adds more fuel to the fire.
Just heard on the radio that the local cruise Line (Carnival I think)
Is suspending all vactions to Mexico at this time.
Hmmmmmmm. How much money will the vaccine generate?
I can't help but think about it.
Still, it certainly diverts the talk of the economy.
Even if it is for just a little while.
Just my very own humble albeit cynical opinion.
Still praying that we all do well.
Hugs,
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Who says that the CDC's tests are accurate or that they'll tell the truth about what the results are?
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Adamm,
I was just thinking the same thing and then saw your response....I don't trust them either, especially when someone is coming in on a plane from Mexico and they are exhibiting flu symptoms bad enough to have the plane met by an ambulance.
Obviously this woman and her companion were sick with some kind of bug.
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