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Hello, Has anyone ever heard of ABX causing Pancreatitis? My LLMD thinks it may be the Lyme actually in the pancreas but the Drs. in the hospital think it was drug induced. My husband was on doxy 400 mg + 2 Bactrims for 3 months and following that was hospitalized twice 3 weeks apart for 4 days with Pancreatitis. He is off all ABX now and the symptoms are coming back full force. We are not sure what to do next. Alternative? Rife Machine? We are terrified it will happen again. Sandy K
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Yep, this happened to me and my Gastro thought it was the Plaq causing it so I stopped and just a few weeks ago had a CT Scan done and was diagnosed with Chrnoic Pancreatitis.
Who knows though what caused it? I'm still taking anti-biotics though.
I had stopped for about 5 months and it was a very tough 5 months!
Steve
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Steve, Thanks. What anti-biotics are you taking? I am finding out that some are more likely to cause it than others.
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Marnie
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NO alcohol. NONE. Na-da. Zip -O.
Pancreatitis = Major OUCH!
Ongoing inflammation TNF alpha and IL 1B can cause very serious pancreatic problems.
Get BOTH of those 2 inflammatory cytokines DOWN.
"Increased intestinal permeability and cytokine levels, and free radical damage play an important role during the course of acute pancreatitis. The treatment with omega3FA improves these effects. omega3FA may be useful in the treatment during ANP in rats. Therefore, it can be beneficial in patients with pancreatitis."
PMID: 16785730
OmegaBrite (ester of EPA - one of the omega 3s) supposedly does that.
Right now I'm taking Zith 500 mg and Amantadine 250 mg. When I had the actual Pancreas attack I was taking Biaxin 1,000 mg and Plaq but I don't remember how much on the Plaq but the normal dose that goes with the Biaxin.
Steve
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Marnie, Yes, major Ouch! I don't think I've ever seen someone in so much pain! Well he doesn't drink alcohol at all.. so not that.. no diabetic drugs.. no gallstones.. still has his gall bladder.. it's a mystery. Which is why we are so terrified to go back to antibiotics if that is what caused it, LLMD says Lyme is in the pancreas - that just sounds wrong to me but who knows? I am looking into alternative treatments.. I'm researching Rife machines now but not sure if it's real or not. Thanks for the reply and information. Sandy
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randibear
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when i was on biaxin and flagyl, i was in the hospital three different times for "undiagnosed" upper abdominal pain. since i've been off them, no pain.
cat scan, mri, everything all normal except for excruciating stomach pain.
i'm not so sure that the antibiotics are not causing more problems than they cure.
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Geneal
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I had pancreatitis twice.
Not on antibiotics at all when these episodes occur.
No stones in the gall bladder doesn't mean that it
Is necessarily working well. May want to pursue that avenue first.
After having my gall bladder removed due to stones back in '99
I took doxy for months on end without any pancreatitis attacks.
Just my experience.
Hugs,
Geneal
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Marnie
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Google: IL1B insulin
Interleukin 1 Beta.
(TNF alpha is tumor necrosis factor alpha).
Insulin ACTIVATES PFK1 and PFK2
Bb is "PFK dependent". It is dropping the level of that enzyme. All enzymes need Mg to be made and Mg drops and continues to spiral down.
Anemia can happen.
For complex reasons, our astronauts return to earth with low PFK levels and are anemic (Skylab research years ago).
The pancreatic beta cells secrete insulin. Alpha cells counter with glucagon...to keep the blood glucose level "just right".
Our brain needs glucose...a LOT...ongoing. In a jam, it can use ketones. So on one hand, preventing insulin release to keep the blood glucose level up, is understandable.
Like so much...there's a good side and a bad side to the inflammatory cytokines, but one thing's for sure...
Too much inflammation ongoing is really really dangerous.
Too many free radicals WILL damage our DNA -> cancer.
Regarding the doc's comment...Bb looks to locate in the basement membrane.
Google: basement membranes for the picture and definition.
Bb looks to me to be an "H16 disease" = primarily vascular damage.
Bb binds to plasminogen which converts to plasmin which maybe the "biofilm" Bb uses for "quorum sensing" (bugs "talk" to each other chemically).
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glm1111
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Could be parasites/worms. Check out what Sparkle posted in the "Any pancreatitis veterans out there" post.
I have had pancreatitis and peritonitis. I know now it was due to parasites.
Gael
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