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i ve been in terrible pain for over 3 days.
I woke up at 6am feeling like I normaly do had a cup of decaf coffee and some toast but didn't feel like I could awake and went back to bed to sleep a little longer.
I woke up two hours later and my neck was in horrible pain couldnt turn it ..just spasm awful pain...head and neck locked in a twisted angle.
I did nothihg to cause this. no lifting no laying in some wierd position. I hopeed it would pass but no luck . I started taking muscle relaxants along with my norcos and oxycotin at night and still really hurting.
I have had bad neck pain like this but its been years and it usually happen from me working too much or when I got Steroid injections 6 years ago and other then the time with the injections it doesn't usually last this long.
I quit doing my herbal treatment for lyme and co-infections 3 weeks ago, so I could visit my dad. I hadn't been treated for long only a couple of months and not much responce from it. No reactions from quiting either.
I also wanted to start the humaworm herbs.
I am on day 6 today. I haven't had any other symptoms. Could Humaworm cause muscle spasm and pain. My neck is in hell and my shoulders and back are now feeling worse. I feel bruised all over. Difficult to imagine it being the humaworm esp since its more a spasm thing but I don't know.
I get scared when its this bad... I see my osteopath today. I am hoping he will help but I also don't want to be touched I hurt too much.
So, if anyone has had something similar or thinks the Humaworm could cause this that would be appreciated
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minerva,
Stop taking the Humaworm! You're either allergic to an ingredient, or it could have aggravated your Lyme sx's, or any number of things.
If the time that your trouble started is the same time you began Humaworm, then stop taking it, now!
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I doubt Humaworm could cause this. Starting in 2004 I got a 'locked' very painful neck about 2 times per month. Each time would last about 3 days, once it was about 10 days, it is AWFUL and very painful! It stopped for 5 months in 2006, then went back to about once per month. It has stopped for another 5-6 months now, hoping it doesn't come back.
I have no idea if it is related to Lyme, but like you sometimes I just woke up and it was like that, hadn't slept weird or anything.
I would see a chiropractor if possible. It won't help that day, but the next day it should be getting better.
Also, epsom salt bath's helped me. It is miserable though. I literally couldn't do a thing all day, not even walking because it hurt too much (and I can take pain).
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Okay, minerva. Your call. What does your intuition tell you? Best to you.
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Humaworm caused big air hunger/chest tightness for me at day 20. Had to stop.
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I think we all give way too much credit to things that can cause a herx here. It's endless. The mystic herx from every pathogen, toxin, or whatever else seems good to blame that day.
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If you are taking something that is going to attack parasites(anitparasitics) and they start dying you will feel the reaction.
These parasites are sitting in the small intestine and if you ingest something that goes after them, you will experience die off reaction.
I went through horrific pain and herxing 3 yrs ago when I went after them with first herbs and then salt/c.
I was using phrases like "just let me die already" it was that bad. They were so many pouring out of me into the toilet that I couldn't believe what I was seeing. \ Lymetwister just went through something similar and then he saw hundreds of them in the toilet. I only tried humaworm for the 30 days. I have been on salt/c for 3yrs and still having good results with that.
Minerva,
So sorry you are having such bad pain. This is not medical advice, but these herbs can be strong and cause a multitude of die off reactions including the ones you are experiencing.
You have to make sure you are drinking a lot of water and getting rid of the die off in your colon...Enema perhaps?
I know someone who recently passed some stones (gallbladder or liver?) when she was only on Humaworm for 3 days. You need to make sure these parasites are moving out of your colon, or you could be experiencing symptoms from not getting rid of these toxons/parasites.
Go with your intuition and stop the humaworm and see if the pain goes away. I hope your pain subsides, please let us know how you are doing,
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Thank you so much for the rsponces. I was laid out most of yesterday. I saw my DO he worked on my it was painful but helpful.
I wish I could trust my intuition but i am so disjointed from myself that I can't seem to connect to anything other then disspare. Really struggling with depression and loss of hope.
I am getting a Toradol shot today. I still can't turn my neck to the left but it is a little better. I will stop the Humaworm and see if it lets up but I really want wanted to go the course.
I can't imagine that I dont' have serious parasites. I have traveled in third world countries and gotten very sick in the process. Not to say, you can't get them here. But, I experienced a lot of illness due to bacteria and parasites years ago.
Thanks for the support, i will keep posted
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minerva,
I have no doubt that you have parasites. I'm sure we all have parasitic infections of one type or another. The problem could be that you're trying to treat more than one situation (Lyme & Paras) and it's making you seemingly more ill than you were before.
In the 4+ years I've been posting on this site and the 7+ years I was in tx for TBD, I've noticed a huge increase in the percentage of posters not only receiving multiple tx's from their LLMD's, but self-treating with everything from antibiotics, herbs, Humaworm, KPU, AI, chelation, Rife and many are using all these tx's at the same time! I honestly don't know how anyone gets well doing this and I'm sure that their bodies must be on overload.
If I might make a suggestion? Please get with your LLMD and ask her or his opinion about going back to square one and starting over. Ask your LLMD's opinion. I had to do this over a 1/2 dozen times during my tx years; reassessment on a regular basis is very necessary.
I sincerely hope your neck condition improves quickly; it too was one of my worst sx's and is hell on Earth. Best of everything to you, minerva. I know how sick, tired and scared you must be.
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Ping,
Are you well? Do you have your life back?
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quote:Originally posted by TO LIFE: Ping,
Are you well? Do you have your life back?
TO LIFE -
Yes, I am well. However, I do have "leftovers" that the Lyme and subsequent tx has caused; hypertension, edema, hypothyroidism. It's been a very tough road and I had congenital Lyme that wasn't diagnosed until I was almost 50 years old!
No, I don't believe I'm "cured" and this disease could rear its' ugly head on me at any time. Talked to my doc the other day and he informed me that I've been off abx for a year now. (I didn't think it had been that long.) Hope I never have to take them again, but if I need to do it, I will.
It takes a long, long time to recover from this illness(es) and I've had my heaping helping of learning to be a patient, patient.
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I am just about into remission from Lyme & co. and Humaworm even caused me to feel horrible for the first week and a half. It was definitely the Humaworm that caused it.
I had a lot of weakness and fatigue. After the initial die-off, I felt better. I have had to stop Humaworm early in the past because I couldn't take it any longer .... couldn't take the pain from it. It is a tough protocol. Don't under-estimate the power of those herbs.
Beneficial - yes, easy - no.
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6goofykids,
Good to know. I have some Humaworm, but didn't want to start it until well after I'm done with Allergie-Immun.
I know it's personal to ask, but did you see any visible parasites? Did the Humaworm hurt your stomach?
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minerva, have you taken a look at the ingredients of humaworm?
Every herb has multiple uses. The herbs used in humaworm are no different. MANY of them have powerful antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal, and general antimicrobial properties.
For instance Licorice is a huge anti-spirochetal (anti-Lyme), but also should not be taken for long uninterrupted periods *in large amounts*.
Never underestimate the power of herbs. Like fire, they can be extremely useful and helpful when used carefully, and utterly devastating when used haphazardly or not controlled correctly.
Before taking any supplement, do a LOT of research online on every ingredient. You need to know what you can expect.
In my humble opinion, you ARE possibly herxing from Lyme die-off, and as ping mentioned, you might want to reassess your approach to treatment. It appears you may need to treat Lyme specifically and carefully for a while, until your body can handle the powerful doses of herbals that are necessary to kill off larger organisms like parasites.
Just my opinion, and I am not a doctor. My husband and I have been learning about herbs and applying herbal treatments on ourselves for about 10 years (long before I knew I had Lyme), and still have a world to learn about the topic.
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I heard Dr. K. treats all of his Lyme patients for Parasites and Worms first before he treats bb or any other co-infection. From the largest to smallest.
I believe this is the correct order because the worms are protecting the bacteria. Parasites and Worms are a MAJOR part of Lyme disease. Check out
This is what came pouring out of me into the toilet when I started using antparasitic herbs and then salt/c.
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Minerva,
If your pain subsides after you stop the humaworm, then you'll know what was causing the pain. The parasites dying off can be harsh. You said you wanted to go the course.
I don't know any other way around it other than to go thru it. Keep us posted.
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: [QB] I heard Dr. K. treats all of his Lyme patients for Parasites and Worms first before he treats bb or any other co-infection. From the largest to smallest.
Gael - According to my copy of Dr. K.'s protocol, his first recommendation is clay w/H2O and fiber therapy for 6 weeks, "before anything else" and NOT antiparasitic tx.
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ping...
could you please post that info from Dr. K. I have a friend that went to see him and the first thing he gave her was Alina for parasites.
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Gael - I found it on his website. A Powerpoint presentation with an orange background. Please go to his website and read for yourself (2008 version of his protocol). You can Google his name and get all sorts of info.
As for your friend, I wasn't at the appointment and neither were you. Dr. K. might very well have done as you said, but his written and posted protocol says differently.
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ping,
Actually, Humaworm does suggest doing the humacleanse (psyllium husk) with the humaworm so that would make the most sense. Antiparasitics along with psyllium.
I wasn't at my friends appointment, but she called me from the motel she was staying at after her 1st appt with Dr. K.and said she had gotten the Alinia and was afraid to take it. Maybe she made that up. Like you said, I wasn't there, so maybe she made the whole thing up.
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I agree doing too much at one time is not a good idea. I quit doing the herbs and Homeopathics for lyme and other co's. We were still at low doses and I needed to stop to see my dad for fathers day.
I also wasn't seeeing any progress and after reading I decided...Parasites first. I was off everything for ten days before I started the Humaworm. I also was doing Psyllium husks and clay and mild laxatives as well. But no Rife, no ABX ect. Just that.
It could be a herx or it could be just how screwed up my neck and back are.
I went off it for two days and I am starting again today. I can turn my head and drive now but the pain is still there. If it gets worse or my neck starts jamming up again I will know for sure and quit it for good. thanks!
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