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Samandaxo
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Another quick question... my brother started

Bactrim last week. He is on acidophilis and

started having some white patches on his

tongue...what is he to do???

Thanks,
Crisann

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sixgoofykids
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Stronger dose of probiotics ... he needs more than just one strain. I was taking Ultra Flora and Theralac, each about 30 billion organisms and many strains.

Avoid sugar, white flour, and other simple starches.

Eat more coconut oil.

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Read the Burrascano guidelines starting at page 34. It tells how to treat the patches on the mouth. That is where the yeast (oral thrush) starts, and if it is not killed in the mouth, he will swallow it into his stomach and spread it throughout his intestines.

http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

He needs to take a high quality REFRIGERATED probiotic and stick to the anti-yeast diet or this will continue to occur. NO sugar, fruit, sweets, flour, refined grains, potatoes, etc. Eat only meat and non-starchy vegetables. This is also discussed in Burrascano.

If the symptoms continue, he will have to call his lyme doc for a prescription to kill the yeast.

There are pictures on the net of what these patches in the mouth look like. But, since he is on Bactrim, it is virtually assured that this is oral yeast.

The antibiotics kill all the flora (good and bad) in the intestinal tract. The first to grow back are the yeasts. There are no good flora to control their growth, so you get an overgrowth. Yeast lives on sugar, so if you deprive the yeast of sugar, it will not be able to grow. I had to be very strict on that rule while in lyme treatment--total non-carb diet.

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In case you haven't heard about stevia I wanted to mention using it in place of sugar. It's sold at health food stores and now it's even at regular grocery chains with the name Truvia and then even some generic brands. The ingredients will say either stevia or stevioside most likely.
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Diflucan and clotrimazole tablets.

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Swishing colloidal silver in my mouth quickly killed the yeast.

My doctor recommends Argentyn 23. I have also used Silver Shield by Natures Sunshine.

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Use a tongue scraper several times a day to remove some of the gunk. The burrascano guidelines also mention a using a very dilute solution of bleach (forget what it's called) to rinse the mouth; can also be used to sterilize the toothbrush and tongue scraper.

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Sam,

Sounds like he has candida / or yeast infection. I just posted this earlier.

First and foremost, make sure he is taking a really good refrigerated probiotic that has a high culture/high strain content.

Antibiotics kill off bad the GOOD flora in your stomach and intestines, and you need to replace it to avoid gut problems. Your llmd may have a professional strength you can buy.

For example, Renew Life Ultra Flora CRITICAL CARE has 50 billion live cultures and 10 strains of bacteria. There is also IFLORA Professional with 16 strains, but you need to get it from your LLMD. It is recommended for those who are taking antibiotics.

Replenish often and take by itself without other supplements or abx. You can get this in most health food stores (or something like it) just get the maximum strains and make sure it is refrigerated.

The more cultures and strains the better. What probiotic is he currently taking?

You want to replenish 2-3 times a day, once at bedtime and 2-3 hours away from antibiotics!

New lymies usually run into is yeast problems.
Here are a few tips on how to avoid candida or yeast problems.

Yeast can mimic lyme symptoms. There is a spit test (i know YUK) but its pretty reliable.

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/pdf/Spit_Test.pdf

Probiotics ALONE will not keep yeast under control, especially if a carb free diet is not maintained. In case you didnt know, sugar FEEDS yeast, big time.

Step 1: DIET (low carb/low sugar/high protein diet

Step 2: Detox to slough off toxins by candida

Step 3: ANTIFUNGALS along with the probiotics can aid in controlling yeast.

Step 4: Oral hygiene- (yeast STARTS on the tongue!!) prevents reinfection

Herbal antifungals along with oral hygiene can be very effective if used before yeast gets out of control. Herbals, can be olive leaf, garlic, pau de arc, grapefruit seed extract or oregano, etc.

Personally, fungal defense by garden of life and Oregamax worked great in combination with good refrigerated probiotics and a low carb diet. Add a little detox in and it accelerates the results.

Combine that with good oral hygiene, (ie brushing tongue every day, rinsing with a strong antiseptic mouthwash for 30 seconds-yes it burns.

Then by dipping your brush in bleach and rinsing thoroughly after ever use) and you can hopefully keep yeast under control---Yeast actually starts on the tongue and you can reinfect yourself!!

Detox can be in the form of steam/sauna, warm to hot baths, low impact exercise, lemon water, adding lots of fiber to your diet, and/or detox products or methods as tolerated, to get rid of the candida toxins or die off.

There are tons of other additional yeast aid products. To name a few, kolerex, candicyn, candi gone, threelac, cuturelle and candex, etc.

But, with all that being said, some folks need still need prescription antifungals such as nystatin or diflucan in addition to the probiotics, diet and detox.

Here is a good link with similar suggestions on how to fight yeast:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021412.html

Always check in with your doctor.

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the bleach solution is called Dakin's solution (I think)

I put my vote in for flucanazole, 100mg or 200mg, so you can get it in a bottle and thirty at one time. Use it as needed.
I needed it daily.

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TerryK
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Good suggestions from everyone. In addtition, I would put a call in ASAP to LLMD's office to let them know. This could really cause problems for treatment if it gets out of hand. They may have their own program that they prefer that you follow to keep yeast under control.

Terry

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