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Babbs
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I�ve always had a bit of ringing but over the last hour it has become deafening.

Can this be a side effect of meds? I�m just on oral meds and supplements.

What is this, I feel a bit scared.

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Are you on zithromax? If so, you should probably call your doctor.

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Yes, it�s only 250mg on M-W-F. I am also having hypersensitive hearing, but it seems to be one ear more than the other.

My Doc�s off at a family emergency this week.

I don�t want to go to ER and be mistreated-again�.. What are you thinking it is?

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Does your LLMD have a Physician's assistant or a nurse practitioner whom you could call? Is there another LLMD who is answering his calls?

I do not think any E.R. in the country would treat you very well if just for tinnitus and vestibular problem. This is not a life-threatening emergency and insurance would likely not cover it.

Although - while not life threatening, it could be damaging to your ears. It's hard to know as each person with difficulty with zith reacts a bit differently but, yes, even ONE zith pill can cause damage.

More likely, it's a herx but until you read nearly everything posted below, it's going to be hard to know if you need to trudge on with better support or stop & change Rx.

Frst, be sure all your liver, adrenal and herx support is in place. If you've missed some of that, the ear problems may get better when support is all on board. Explained below in the Tinnitus thread.

Q: What is sensitivity to sound?

Hyperacusis

Q: What is this ringing in my ears ?

It is called Tinnitus. It can be from inner / middle, nerves, inflammation or all of the above. It can also come from overactive brain neurotransmitters when the NMDA receptors are too excited by toxins &/or inflammation.

Tinnitus can also be from past and current noise exposure. When on certain abx, the ears are MUCH more sensitive and can be permanently damaged by sounds at decibel levels even below the norm at which damage usually occurs.

Q: Can this be a side effect of meds?

Absolutely. Azithromycin (zithromax); Minocycline; Biaxin are the most frequently reported abx (antibiotics) to trigger this for many lyme patients.

Liver support helps but a different medicine may be needed.

Q: Nauseated ?

Yes, that can go along with any inner/middle ear disturbance.

There are things that can help. GINGER CAPSULES; LIVER SUPORT: A change in Rx . . .

��� Avoid cell phones and in-the-ear pods, etc.

Learn all about tinnitus, too. Ear plugs should be worn when around a hairdryer, blender, vacuum, lawn tools, etc.

For some, when the herx is managed, the vestibular (inner/middle ear) symptoms get better. But you will have to read a lot to figure out if there are other things you are doing that need to change regarding ear stress.

Be sure to tell your LLMD right away, though, even though there may be some required habit changes or additions to your support methods.

There may be some non-essential Rx that is ototoxic that, if stopped, then you could better manage another medicine that might be ototoxic (so many are - and if Rx is absolutely required to beat lyme, there are ways to work with this). Much is explained in the Tinnitus thread.


Avoid acetaminophen and ibuprofen. Acetaminophen stops your liver from making glutathione (so it's stressful on the liver). Ibuprofen is very hard on the kidneys. You need to be extremely kind to liver and kidneys right now.

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Ringing, hissing, roaring, pulsating sounds or sensations in the ears:

www.ata.org

AMERICAN TINNITUS ASSOCIATION

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For those who are sensitive or pained by even normal or soft sounds (sounds not even at noise level):

www.hyperacusis.net

HYPERACUSIS NETWORK

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www.vestibular.org

VESTIBULAR DISORDERS ASSOCIATION

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http://www.vestibular.org/vestibular-disorders/symptoms.php

VESTIBULAR SYMPTOMS (That also frequently go along with lyme & other tick-borne infections -- &/or with some Rx)

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Specifically for LYME patients - lots of details about ears and what can help:

� of the way down page one, there are lots of LIVER LINKS:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS

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There are at least 743 drugs that are known to be ototoxic. Here are just 84 of them:

http://www.hearinglosshelp.com/articles/ototoxicupheaval.htm

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http://tinyurl.com/yhdw78n (through Amazon)

You can look inside this book and read customer reviews here:

Ototoxic Drugs Exposed: Prescription Drugs and Other Chemicals That Can (and Do) Damage Our Ears

- by Neil G. Bauman
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Now, after all that, I just went back to re-read your post. You said:

" . . . has become deafening . . . "

In that, case, it may be an E.R. situation if it is literally deafening. Seriously. If addressed early, deafness could be avoided.

If not quite to the E.R. though -- if you can call your area lyme support group and ask if anyone knows of any LLMD or LL ND (naturopathic) doctor who may be able to work you in with at least a phone call today.

Most E.R.s would not do IV magnesium (with Taurine an specific B-vitamins) - or IV glutathione. So, if there is a LL ND near you, you may be able to get some kind of emergency treatment with the things that would work best.

Ask of your area support group leader if there may be any kind of regular ND who may be able to get you past this bump.

Might your GP /PCP offer IV magnesium or IV Glutathione? He or she could call the E.R. and request that and, of course, other things or whatever else he though would be needed.

You may need to first have your GP/PCP's instruction to go to the E.R.


It's in the Tinnitus thread but, right now, though go ahead and

INCREASE MAGNESIUM & CALCIUM. Also be sure your FISH OIL is at a good level. Sublingual B-6, too. Sublingual D3 - and FOLATE.

Drink some carrot juice and eat LOTS of leafy greens. A good BETA CAROTENE powder might also help.

REST your ears in a very quiet and dark room. Avoid physical activity other than a gentle warm (not hot) bath in epson salts or gentle massage.

AGGRESSIVE REST is vital.

Do not lift anything over 5 pounds. Do not bend over. Support your neck when sitting and lying down.

Avoid singing, shouting, playing or listening to music -- other than very soft, gentle and soothing music to help mask the tinnitus. If this is from NMDA brain receptors being overly agitated, you'd not want peppy music at all. Soothing is the key.

I'm sure you are avoiding aspartame and MSG but, just to be sure, check all your labels.
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http://www.drugs.com/sfx/zithromax-side-effects.html

Those are the side effects from zithromax. It says to get medical help right away if you have a change in hearing or ringing in the ears. Since it is a known side effect, and since Drugs.com says to get immediate medical attention, an ER *might* know how to help (???).

I'd try a secondary number for your LLMD if he left you one.

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I work in a cube environment which is generally pretty quiet but now the sound of people typing is like 1 inch hail on a metal roof!

Thanks, I will give a call and see if there is any back up.

I live in a difficult region. There are two huge hospitals in town but not a single doctor that is LLMD at either of them. I go to a small clinic an hour from here. My LLMD is my PCP.

I am still a bit unsure of him as he has only offered me oral meds despite the likelihood of 20 years of Lyme and cardiac involvement, LBBB.

I have been feeling a great deal better on the meds, but in the last month pain has been creeping back in. Have an appt on the 14th.

Made the call, they will call me back....thanks

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You're welcome. Keep us posted.

My LLMD was in NY, I was in Ohio. I had NO support here at home. Your fortunate to have an LLMD close to home.

My LLMD is considered to be a top ILADS LLMD. He didn't even mention using IV for 9 months, and then he just said that if I didn't see improvement in three months we were going to look into IV.

I had Lyme for more than 30 years, was rebitten, it got worse, three more years until diagnosis. I got better without IV.

So, it's not necessarily an indication that your LLMD isn't adequate. [Smile] Hang in there.

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You might have a LL ND somewhere near you for support:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/2/13964?

Topic: How to find an ILADS-educated lyme literate (LL) Naturopathic doctor (ND); Acupuncturist (L. Ac.), a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, . . . etc.

�� Includes many professional links, articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links -- all by LL authors.
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Thanks for all the info. I will have to look at the links later as I opened one and the text and colors made my stomach roll.

I appriciate your attention and hope today is a good day for you.

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