Topic: Any ever take a Sea Salt Bath with Baking Soda ? Threw me for yet another loop
lymetwister
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I was talking to this Naturopath, who is local to me, on the phone and I couldn't afford her pricing, but told her what was going on.
Some free advice was instead of the Epsom salt baths that have helped me so much, that I should put a Pound of Sea Salt and a Pound of Baking soda in the tub with the hottest water I could tolerate for 20 min.
So, I go out and get this stuff and take the bath.
After 20 min. I sit up and I'm like Uh Oh, I'm very dizzy, better get out slow. I get out and crawl to my bed with my water bottle. I lay in bed with a fan blowing on me as I feel like I'm going to pass and die right there.
My Heart Rate was 170. I never see this unless I'm standing with the POTS thing. I finally start to cool off and manage to drink about 2.5 liters of water. Next, I'm shaking all over the bed as in an Anxiety Shake. My legs were all over the place, similar to what is known as Akathisia.
The only problem is that Akathisia is a symptom of withdrawal. It's a feeling like you want to crawl out of your skin.
I took a 1mg Xanax, nothing. Took some Salt and added it to my water, nothing. After about an hour, it all started easing up.
I felt like someone injected me with 100% pure adrenaline. I went outside and walked for 30 min., which is so hard for me to do with my POTS, but I needed to get this intense energy/adrenaline, whatever it was out of me.
I came back inside with my Heart Rate in the 160's from the walk and out of breath. The walk did calm things further, but it was still going to the point of being uncomfortable.
I took a 25mg Benadryl, and within 30 min. it was all over.
I just relaxed and watched TV and fell asleep faster than I ever have in my life.
I woke up this morning aching all over, arms, legs, neck, and I was freezing cold.
Oh yeah, I had diarrhea right after the bath as well and this continued into this morning.
I took another bath this morning with just 1/2 pound of epsom salts and got some relief from the aches and feeling freezing, but I still feel awful.
Still aching, so I took a percocet. It's barely touching the body aches. It's as if I induced a flu with symptoms of anxiety from that bath.
I'm drinking and drinking and peeing and peeing. I feel like death today, like I belong in an ICU on a Morphine drip.
Please don't beat me up folks. I'm only trying to get well like the rest of you.
LT
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This happened to me too LT. I always feel like I'm "about" to pass out or lose consciousness, but the only time I actually HAVE was in a hot bath of sea salt and baking soda.
I felt it coming, so much like you, I tried to get out slowly, but as I was getting up I blacked out. I'm not allowed to take baths anymore or lock the door when I'm showering. lol. Not the most advantageous place to pass out.
I believe that instead of replenishing minerals while it detoxes us like the epsom salts do, perhaps the sea salt pulls out the toxins but dehydrates us at the same time. Along with the hot water, this probably drops our blood pressure and raises our heart rate, which are also symptoms of dehydration.
I really hope you start to feel better soon.
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Keebler
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How hot was the bath? BE sure it is warm, no hot. A hot bath can set me back for weeks. As LittleLymie says, heat can create some unsafe conditions for lyme patients.
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Also, be sure to rinse off very well - and be sure the drain pipe does not have salts sitting in it. -
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Pinelady
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I tried this too. I like the epsoms salts a lot better. I only did the baking soda once. Lots of epsom salts. I wonder where I can buy a barrel full cheaper?
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You probably created an electrolyte imbalance. You probably should have added some potassium to balance out the sodium.
The best bath for hubby is a combo of epsom salts for the magnesium and sulphur (2 or 3 cups), baking soda for the sodium (2 cups), potassium salt substitute (2 or 3 teaspoons) and 1 - 2 tablespoons of dry mustard powder.
Years ago early in his illness hubby would start shaking in a couple of minutes and he passed out once in the tub and swallowed several mouthfuls of water when he tried the epsom salts bath with only epsom salts.
It is best to try soaking only your feet or your hands and feet only to see how you tolerate the ingredients. And also start slow -- just use 1/4 of the suggested dose or less of everything.
If you are feeling really brave then you could add in a couple of bottles of hydrogen peroxide to the bath.
This is not medical advice, just my opinion based on hubby's experiences.
Bea Seibert
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The elevated heart rate was due to the length of time you spent in that hot water. I think the aching muscles you're experiencing now is a herx from killing off some Bb.
Borrelia is killed at a relatively low temp, something like 104. So maybe after spending that time in a hot bath, you might have gotten your body temp high enough, even if it wasn't to 104 degrees, to kill a few Bb. Syphilis used to be treated with hot baths.
It's not recommended to let yourself get as hot *** 104, you know. The elevated heart rate could lead to a heart attack.
I did a really hot bath when I was newly diagnosed and the resulting herx almost killed me. I didn't know if I'd ever be able to walk again. So be careful with it.
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quote:It's not recommended to let yourself get as hot *** 104, you know. The elevated heart rate could lead to a heart attack.
104 is actually ok'ish -depending who you ask. It is not recommended if you do have heart problems but otherwise a couple of days of 104 is pretty safe.
Pyrotherapy (treatment by high temperatures) was widely used in preantibiotics era in the west and past that in Soviet union. It has many benefits -drastically increases BBB penetration , abx effectiveness and slows down or even outright kills bacteria Anyways I am personally considering it really seriously - abx alone wont kill bb
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losferwrds
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So a few days ago you said u could not tolerate rife detox 10000 which may be real maybe not...but then take a high blood pressure bath with a TON baking soda and salt???
Dude your a nurse...and nearly a practioner, come on.
All the protocols may work, rife, salt/c, abx, but you jump all over the place and seem to always dive in at extreme dosages, you change protocols every few weeks/months, despite saying you found the silver bullet when you start them but always jump off the wagon cause you end up in the ER or found something better. s/c to rife to IVIG...
If your in a constant herx ala IVIG, just rest, drink tons of water, and stop throwing the monkey wrenches in, you have no idea if your herxing, healing or getting side effects.
You need to get to some kind of baseline and stop messing with yourself, I think you are taking for granted that natural remedys are benign and don't have as many if not more side effects than big pharma, and you seem to always dive in at the deep end.
I thought you were gonna just ride out the IVIG...It seems to have made you MUCH WORSE.
I believe you have a bad case, but you need to stop mucking things up and get yourself back to a baseline
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lymetwister
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Losferwrds,
I am not trying to treat. I was trying to detox because I feel so toxic.
The Naturopath made this suggestion to Detox.
Now others are saying I killed off Bb which was not my intention.
Trust me when I tell you I'm not trying to make things worse. I can't handle worse right now and I'm drinking tons and tons of water.
I'm desperately trying to get back to some type of baseline like you don't know.
Please take it easy on me. My anxiety is through the roof and I can't get it down now even with Benzos. Not fun to say the least. If I'm able to fall asleep tonight, it will be amazing.
At least I'm not crying.
I tried looking this type of bath up before I did it and couldn't find anything negative about it. And I never detoxed on Rife at 10,000 after the IVIG. I was referring to what I experienced on that frequency prior to the IVIG.
Lastly, I never claimed to have a sliver bullet.
LT
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losferwrds
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Twister ,
I am not trying to beat you up, but seriously IVIG is the only treatment you stuck with and thats simply because of its half life.
He had it, he cured it, he's an advocate, and a doctor and its one of the first things they tell you to read when you joined this site.
Sure there is more than one way to skin a cat, but I think an MD that cured himself and many others, and took the time to publish his protocol may be the way to go.
I'm not telling you how to treat yourself, thats entirely up to you, but I read your posts, I've been on your ning website, I see a guy getting progessively worse not better.
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Not trying to beat you up either; but that is an awful lot of stuff to be soaking in. Our bodies can soak up a lot through the skin. Sorry, but a pound.... that just seems like a ridiculous amount. That amount just blows my mind!
I do epsom salt baths, and I learned real quick to use a small amount, like maybe a cup, with the water warm not hot and only stay in for about 10 minutes.
I know some ppl can take more, but I can't. You should never go full force into any of this stuff!
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canefan17
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If these hot baths DO in fact kill off bacteria why shouldn't we take the hots baths?
I'm very new to all of this and just curious.
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My personal experience tells me that heat can clearly induce tachycardia.
Found this out years ago when I would get tachycardia just from laying out in the sun (In New England!)
As far as the muscle twitching and aching, that would just seem reasonable to me after putting your body through that. Too much heat for someone prone to tachycardia. =)
Maybe you should take a few days and not try to make yourself better. Just rest and do something you enjoy like reading. That will give your body time to recover.
Keeping you in prayer.
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