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Tincup
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FINALLY they admit it! Babesia CAN persist, even after treatment!

Who'da thunk?

But of course Lyme can't persist or relapse ... because if it did, the IDSA might be proven wrong and held responsible for the damages they have caused to millions.

Heaven forbid!

[lol]

Anyhow...


5.1.3. Persistent Relapsing Disease

Babesial infection may persist and symptoms relapse in people with significant underlying immunosuppression despite standard combination antimicrobial therapy [59, 77].

Atovaquone-proguanil (250 mg-100 mg) was used to eradicate parasitemia in one such patient [77].

In a recent case-control study of chronic babesiosis in 14 highly immunocompromised patients, no single antimicrobial combination was uniformly superior to another in achieving resolution of infection [59].

For full article...

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=19727410


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yeah, but it's silly to think Lyme makes one immunocompromised. [Smile] That silly disease that causes a mild flu-like symptom and maybe a sore knee? Therefore, us stront healthy Lyme sufferers can easily fight off Babesia even if we have it.

Sometimes I read these articles and feel so stupid because I don't know what to believe. I hear people taking Mepron for 2 years and they say it's cured in 7-10 days even for severe cases. C'mon, something is way, way off.

Yeah it said it persisted, but it also said severly immunocompromised person. Do most here really meet that definition? I'm guessing that means AIDS patient, very elderly, cancer patient.

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Read the actual definition of AIDS.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00018871.htm

Note the bartonella, yeast, neuropathy, dysplasia, t-cells, lymphocyte and purpura connection there... to a virus.

Many of us have the same conditions affecting us... but rather than being linked to a HIV virus.. and we do often have many different viruses involved....

We have a complex bacterial (spirochetal) remitting, relapsing stealth infection added to the mix.

Not to mention many of us already have a relapsing, chronic Babesia.

So yes, we are immunocompromised. BIG time.

As for the treatment time.... NOT treating it properly early on is what got many of us here to this point.

And note the authors are simply quoting IDSA treatment times and protocols that they never confirmed or duplicated.

Go figure.

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Wow, I guess I'm just a loser. I don't have a compromised immune system, and I've had babs for years. I've been treating it for a year. And I still have it. I fight off other types of infecions, virus' just fine.

According to that article, it should be gone in a few weeks.

So, I guess I just have Post-Babesia syndrome? Or am I just depressed? Or both? [Wink]

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lou
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No, you are nuts James. According to the IDSA and its clones, anyone who does not get well on the minimal doses they suggest for tickborne diseases....is a nut. Just read Lenny Sigal's latest contributions to medical journals.

I saw the actual journal that he published his latest in. Just one step above a kindergarden coloring book. Just a few totally neglible articles, by people who probably can't be published anywhere else. Haven't looked at all the issues to see if this is typical, but I bet it is.

The medical dogma they are now trying to sell is that people who are chronically ill are actually nut cases. So, why doesn't this apply across the board to cancer, heart disease, cystic fibrosis, etc etc? I think I know: the ticks are transmitting a looney factor along with the germs they give us. We will call this the HTBDLF.
(The Human Tickborne Disease Looney Factor) There is no reliable test for this.

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So Lou, the HTBDLF, that would be a clinical diagnosis??? HA!
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From the article
"Concurrent infection with Lyme disease increases neither the number nor the duration of symptoms of babesiosis [30, 51]. It is unclear whether this is also true of concurrent babesiosis and human granulocytic anaplasmosis."

blah! lies:(!

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There is no evidence HTBDLF is caused by ticks.

After many years of research, we have come to understand, that it is actually a condition called Medically Unexplained Human Looney Factor (MUHLF).

These patients are definitely suffering; we know that, and it is tragic, but there is no such thing as Human Tickborne Disease Looney Factor.

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So, nomoremuscles, that would be an illness of unknown origin?
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Blood Donations - "Asymptomatic carriers present a blood safety risk when they donate blood."

How many thousands of people have given blood over and over not knowing they were infected?

You would think they would invest in some research on that!

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Why does it say under 2.1.2. B. duncani infection:

"All nine documented cases of B. duncani infection [have occurred on the west coast of the United States]."

Am I missing something here? Are they saying these were the nine people they studied?

Or that there are only 9 cases of B. duncani that they acknowledge?

I was positive - as were many here - for B. duncani, and I know it was reported.

Am I reading this the wrong way?

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