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Hoosiers51
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How much Malic Acid do you take, for those of you that take it?

I will be taking it to help draw out Aluminum. Sounds a little scary to me, honestly. I have a dosage that my doctor wants me on, but I'm wondering what a normal dosage is, for people that take it for other reasons like energy, etc.

Thank you!

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As I recall, I think we did about 1:4 magnesium to malic acid, whether separate or in one product.

So like 200mg magnesium to 800mg malic acid.

And do it in the morning, not evening, unless you want to be up all night. Well, some of us are anyway, but not to add fuel to that fire...

I wasn't aware that malic acid draws out aluminum - can you explain that further - thx -

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I don't know much about the aluminum thing, but if you google "malic acid aluminum," a few things will pop up, saying that it draws out (chelates?) aluminum.

I think there was a study or two done, and those should show up.

I'm just on it because my LLMD's office asked me to use it for my aluminum levels.

It's called "triple malic acid" and it's from a compounding pharmacy, and it doesn't have a dose on it, but I'm supposed to take 3 pills a day, spaced out.

So I was wondering how much most people use, etc.

Thanks for the info!

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Malic acid just binds to aluminum. It's just chemistry.. that's all the explanation there is for it really. Magnesium will take up the binding sites of the aluminum after the malic acid binds to it. So they'll basically trade places. The magnesium just provides an extra assurances that the aluminum doesn't come loose then bind back to where it was in your body.
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Thx for the explanation - I never knew what the malic acid did. I think the point is also to take the magnesium, since the aluminum has been blocking it, I guess. Everyone got a huge jump in energy with the combo.
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Awesome...I am excited to try it.

What kind of Magnesium should I take? I have Magnesium Malate pills from Nutramedix, and I have a sample bottle of Doctor's Best mag, and the Nutrition facts say "magnesium glycinate/lysinate chelate." So it is chelated....not sure what that means though.

I have heard that Mag glycinate is good, but I'm not sure if this Doctor's Best one I have is good or not, because if it is already "chelated," would that be good or bad for this purpose (trying to pull out the metals)?

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I've been taking malic acid for years. It seemed to lose it's affect for me and a few others that I know so we've upped the dosage. I take 1800 mg 2X per day.

I wrote an article about malic acid a few years ago. I'll put some of the info I found about it here for you.

Malic Acid plays a role in the process of deriving ATP, (the energy currency that runs the body) from food. It helps remove high levels of phosphorous and aluminum from the body.

Tartaric Acid is an analog of Malic Acid and inhibits the production of Malic Acid. Tartaric Acid is a muscle toxin that is produced by fungal and yeast metabolites.

Tartaric Acid is thought to be toxic because it is a known inhibitor of the Krebs cycle enzyme fumarase which produces Malic Acid from fumaric acid. In other words, Tartaric Acid will cause a person to become deficient in Malic Acid which is a critical component needed to make energy from food.

Supplements of Malic Acid are thought to be able to overcome the toxic effects of Tartaric Acid by supplying deficient Malic Acid.

Tartaric Acid is often extremely elevated in Fibromyalgia patients. Muscle weakness may be related to elevated levels of Tartaric Acid.

Malic Acid is a key intermediate in the production of glucose in the process of gluconeogenisis, the principal fuel for the brain. If sufficient Malic Acid cannot be produced, the body cannot produce the sugar glucose which is the main fuel for the brain.

The person with hypoglycemia feels weak and their thinking is foggy because there is insufficient fuel for their brain.

Malic Acid stimulates the production of saliva, which reduces the number of harmful bacteria circulating in your mouth, teeth and gums. It acts as an antiseptic too, which also helps to ensure that germs in the mouth are kept to a minimum and considerably reduces the risk of infection.

http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/malic2.htm


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Hoosies - Have you tried the mag glycinate before?

Be careful bc it can pack a mean punch! It knocked me so far off my butt years ago that I have been afraid to try it again ever since!

I would start slow and build up. It is supposed to be very good for us, but just like most things that are good for lymies... You know the deal!

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Thank you, TerryK! That is some good info.

Thanks, luvdogs, for the warning...I'll be careful with it. I have never tried it.

Magnesium Citrate and Magnesium Malate haven't done much for me (or even loosen my stools!) so I might be okay? We'll see.

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