Topic: % of ppl, horses and dogs with Bb-(quote from klebsiella thread)
lpkayak
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i just found out today that 75% of horses in the north east test pos for Bb
awhile ago i heard 90% of dogs in nh tested pos for Bb
this was just posted on the band 41-klebsiella thread:
"I disagree, I don't think everyone has band 41. I think a lot of people do, but then again,
many LLMDs believe that at least 80% of the population have lyme disease and co-infections, but are just asymptomatic or have very little symptoms or symptoms that they attribute to something else.
So then for so many people (including supposedly 'healthy' individuals) to come back positive with band 41 makes plenty of sense to me...."
i believe 80% of the pop has Bb-just look around you. look at all the tv news ppl and actors with partial bells...its crazy. look at how ppl walk-shuffle-lean on their carts in walmart. how many do you know dx with ms, fibro, chronic fatigue...
i talked to a vet at one of the univ studying Bb and comparing animal Bb (horse and dog) to human Bb. he said because so many horses test pos in NE (75%) that means you can't use the test to say they are pos...his reasoning was-no sx or no severe sx in horse w/pos test.
but i go back to the story of my daughter-in -law who thought she wasn't college material. she had no idea she had lyme. but when she went to the llmds office with my son for his tx and saw a pic of a bullseye on the wall she said-i had one of those so he tested her. supposeably no sx...she had the most pos test of anyone in our family-pcr and all. with tx she has graduated college and is teacher. other things counted as normal for her went away.
so-i think horses, dogs and ppl have Bb and many are functioning at a much lower level than they would be if they didn't have it. but they don't know-cuz they have had it so long or since birth and they don't know what is is like to be without Bb
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I think its like with most other stuff -all people have potentially pathogenic viruses (EBV/CMV etc) and bacteria (CPN, Lyme etc). They are ever present in our bodies. Recent research showed that up to 90% of our cells are actually bacteria! -there is very interesting research going on right now with goal to map all bacterial DNA found in humans (similar to human genome project): http://nihroadmap.nih.gov/hmp/ Thing is we didn't even identify and name a lot of the stuff which is present in us!
Thing is stuff like viruses is permanently in affected cells DNA -you cant get it out. You can find crapload of retroviruses in our dna accumulated trough the ages. Even bacterial dna is found. We carry foreign viruses and bacteria right from conception
So it is not like there is humans and one occasionally pathogenic bacteria invading out of the blue (which does happen for acute infections though -do not take my words wrong). It is more like we carry a load of foreign microorganisms all the time , and in certain circumstances they actually gain upper hand and start causing damage (while normally they are relatively benign)
It is like not all people with HIV get AIDS. Same with lyme I bet. Some sort of environmental , physical and/or mental stress and genetic factors I bet all play the role in triggering the disease
Many "healthy" people have some sort of immune, hormonal and other dis-regulations. Just it does not reach for most grave enough stage to be called "disease" and recognized by medical community. For the exceptions of acute cases (easily identifiable and treated) chronic disease develop over the course of many years and develop into MS, RA, Alzheimer, Heart disease, Cancers etc etc, which is attributed "to natural process of aging".
Some people are unfortunate genetically and/or damaged by our polluted environment and they develop those conditions earlier. Its no coincidence we even have children pediatric MS/RA now (in addition to "rare" autism) ! It is like rolling snowball started with industrial age - air pollution with heavy metals , lead pollution (with leaded gasoline - which raised environmental levels of lead 1000 folds) ,water pollution, and all other kind of damage we were doing non stop, accumulates affected several generations by now
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quote: but i go back to the story of my daughter-in -law who thought she wasn't college material. she had no idea she had lyme. but when she went to the llmds office with my son for his tx and saw a pic of a bullseye on the wall she said-i had one of those so he tested her. supposeably no sx...she had the most pos test of anyone in our family-pcr and all. with tx she has graduated college and is teacher. other things counted as normal for her went away.
Great that she got TX early!
Well kinda.... Great compared to me - in retrospect I lost best years of my life, did not go to right college, did not choose the right job, underperformed everywhere. In some way I consider exacerbation of symptoms a good thing - at least I can address the problem now.
But children are affected the worst - I bet so many kids potential is destroyed and they are relegated to be mediocre or worse...
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lpkayak
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i think she was in her 40's-maybe late 30's...but lyme stole some time from her
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