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Just wondering who here has a biomat and what you think of it?
I have thought about getting one but they are sooo expensive. If I am able to spend that much money I want to be sure that it is worth it.
So just wondering what everyones experiences are with the biotmat.
Thanks! Pam :-)
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What is a Biomat?
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If you check out the site you will see that they are even FDA approved as a medical tool.
I was checking around about this because a bunch of people on another lyme group swear by their biomats. It seems to have really helped several people with their lyme disease. So I thought I would see if anyone here has one.
I know some people here use infrared saunas and this biomat also uses infrared combined with some other therapies so I thought it might be helpful also.
I guess not many people in this group have one since I haven't gotten any responses yet.
Pam :-)
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I don't have the biomat specifically, but I do have a much cheaper knock-off Far Infrared Heating pad comparable to the Bio-Mat mx Amethyst Mini-Mat. I have read some scientific information somewhere that Far Infrared Heat makes antibiotic treatment much more effective, but I can't seem to find what I am looking for with Google. I believe I read it in Google Books if my poor memory serves me right. Maybe somebody else knows what I am talking about.
Now, I have used this to fall asleep when I feel really cold or get rib pain. To be honest, it doesn't feel too much different from a standard heating pad in my opinion (it just feels like heat to me), but it does relax me a lot. Somehow, I can fall asleep easily on the annoyingly hard "pad". I do think it works better for sleep than a standard heating pad, but maybe it's just a placebo effect. I don't have arthritic symptoms, so I couldn't tell you how much it helps for that. If I turn the heat really high, it does almost feel like it cooks my body from the inside out, but that amount of heat isn't comfortable for a length of time.
I have had days and nights where I fell asleep on the pad, and while I slept great, I felt worse the next day after getting off the pad. I don't know if it's just normal waxing and waning of symptoms, or if the pad helps create a stronger herx effect while on antibiotics. Other times, the heat leaves me feeling better.
Now, would I buy a BioMat? No, but I wouldn't mind trying one (Queen Size). If I had tons of money, I would probably buy one for the sake of having one. It would be interesting to see if a heated bed or BioMat produce significantly different results. The technology and science behind it sounds cool, but I am not completely convinced that Far Infrared pads can do all the magic that they claim to do. Then again, maybe it will be the next big thing. I like to keep an open mind, especially since FAR Infrared technology is a bit over my head.
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Thank you Kday! I am glad that someone has experience with something similar. I don't have arthritic symptoms either. Just very very minor joint pain. But since pain isn't an issue for me I did wonder what effect if any this would have on me. So I am glad to get an opinion from someone who is similar.
I have heard great things about the biomat from other people but most had pain as a symptom so I was curious to see if it would be helpful to someone without it.
The technology does sound interesting though and I do wonder if/how it would work out.
I think I have also heard people say that they did feel worse after using it sometimes so maybe you were feeling something from it. It may have increased your herx but who knows.
Thanks for your input!!
Pam :-)
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Anyone else have experience with the Biomat that they can share with me?
Thanks!
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- I have two friends with advanced "CFS" who discount their lyme diagnoses (from labs) because MDs said there is no lyme in our state.
They both have used biomats for years. They report some benefits from using the mat (mostly calming or less pain). However, they are still very ill and the benefits have not really been nearly what they had hoped.
Biomat will not treat lyme.
I see some advertised now that may be different than what they have - with infrared panels. Infrared can be helpful but won't kill spirochetes. It's one of the best things for getting out heavy metals, but best in a sauna or with heaters that are not encased in vinyl.
Of concern with any mat, would be vinyl or petroleum products as those are endocrine disruptors. You don't want to be around vinyl when it gets warm as the fumes are toxic - even after years and even if you don't smell it. So be sure to check the content of the mat.
A Rife machine would be a much better investment. For support in toxin release, an excellent investment would be a FAR infrared sauna (but it would not replace lyme treatment).
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Heavenly Heat Saunas and Sunlight Saunas are two good brands if you want to find them through google. -
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"No Lyme in our state."
I can hardly believe a person that could say that, has a brain in there head.
If my wife goes to that state, they have Lyme in that state. People travel all over and so do ticks. How can anyone even begin to believe that Lyme is somehow restricted to a border?
One does not need an advanced degree to float a ship though the holes in that statement.
It is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever come across to date. It amazes me how many ignorant doctors are out there. It makes me glad my wife was never treated by a doctor. There are too few good ones.
Dan
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Keebler
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- Yeah, I was told the same thing, with Igenex positive tests for 3 tick-borne infections and very serious neuro symptoms.
Sadly, most of the doctors do believe there is no lyme in our state (I know!) but some are just afraid of loosing their license as it has happened here. No LLMDs are allowed in my state here due to the very vocal IDSA & insurance industry stronghold.
Once in blue moon, if someone has the rash, they might get just nine days' tx of doxy. But, even with a rash, some have been sent away with no treatment at all - and the standard "no lyme here" scolding, as if they are trying to get away with something.
By contrast, just to the south, several LLMDs who treat chronic lyme/TBD patients are protected by California law. -
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Very interesting! $2,400.00 ? Whoa.
More expensive than my Photon 90, less expensive than the best Rife units.
Help? Maybe.
Notice I said help, not cure.
Bb is incredible.
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Marine...the one I found is $1380. Still very expensive though.
I know the resale value on biomats are great and I would mostly likely be able to get my full money back if it didn't work out and I resold it. That is one of the reasons I was thinking about trying it out.
I do know that it doesn't have vinyl in it so toxic fumes from that shouldn't be an issue.
I am definitely not looking for this to cure me. I am just looking for some additional help in the healing process. I think all of these types of things (biomat, rife, saunas etc) should not be expected to cure us...just used as an additional tool in our fight against Lyme etc.
I know that lyme does not like heat and was under the impression that far infrared could be helpful. That is one of the reasons why I thought the biomat could be of some use.
I did think about a rife as well but those seemed to be more money. I am sure there might be some good ones in that same price range if I searched around? What do you think the cheapest but still good rife machine would go for?
Thanks Again!!
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- Resale value is sometimes just about half of what you pay - or less - even if it's just a month old. Even then, there is no guarantee. People may be asking full price for used mats but my guess is they are not going to get that.
You could get a very good rife for much less than that.
Lyme does not like heat but you cannot destroy spirochetes with a sauna of any kind. You would die first. They can withstand extreme temperatures and may burrow even deeper to avoid surface heat. The hotter you get, the more toxins they will give off. They will also create more cyst forms when agitated.
Ticks survive the heat from wild fires. So do the pathogens they carry. They burrow into moss and the crooks of trees, etc. While they would be burned if in fire, they can surely survive heat if not directly in flame. That's hotter than any biomat or sauna could ever be.
The way infrared helps is by inducing sweat, clearing toxins.
Also, as oxygen is increased and better circulated, that can have an effect on killing spirochetes but, again, there is no safe way for your body to withstand heat enough to directly kill spirochetes.
You said the biomat is not made of vinyl. What is is made of? If a petroleum product, be very careful.
For that kind of money, you could be getting something that would have a much more direct effect.
How about a full FAR INFRARED sauna room? Not just a mat. This would be for the detox part, though, not direct treatment.
A rife? A rife and a sauna unit would be a great combination.
If you have carpeting, taking carpet out and replacing with less toxic floors? Carpets harbor so much mold that bare clean floors might be a good investment. -
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