Topic: Smear tests at Fry Labs Defined. - Smears not intended for Bartonella Diagnosis.
springshowers
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I have been asked this many times and have heard of many patients who interpret the tests to tell them if they have Bartonella or not.
The Smear test is not to give a Bartonella Diagnosis.
There are not two tests now. You need to get them both. One shows the hemobartonlla / mycoplasma load and then the next shows the biofilm and protozoan in the biofilm along with the heombartonella and sighting of a fungal infection possibly too.
So.
These tests are not for Bartonella. The hemobartonella is a different species and NOT Bartonella.
Use the co infection panels to test for Bartonella
The root of the main symtpoms is believed to now be from the protozoan. For years there was only the one smear test and this year the protoazoan and new testing and biofilms discovered on new testing methods.
It is recommended you get both as a two tiered test. It is also recommended that your doctor confer with Fry labs to interpret the tests and protocols to treat.
If anyone wants to add anything or clarify anything please add to this thread.
Also if I am not fully correct I stand corrected and please add what you know.
I feel it is frustrating that there is not a more detailed explaination of the testing and many are justifiably confused.
PS This thread is not intended to gather opinions about the lab because I know there are varied ones and it is controversial.
I would rather help clarify the tests for those who have been confused or even misdiagnosed and do not know it.
Thanks all
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springshowers
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PS. I will try to get photos of all the smear tests and post them. As well show how the co infection panel looks and what that tests for. Maybe that will help clear up misunderstandings as well.
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I know you are trying to clarify things, but in reality it really doesn't matter that much whether the test shows bartonella or mycoplasma -- the meds of choice are the same per Dr B and many other LLMD's.
Until there are better tests I just say hubby has bartonella, BLO, mycoplasma or a mystery pathogen. He probably has at least 2 if not more of the tihings on that list.
Bea Seibert
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Pinelady
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Thanks.
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springshowers
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Actually I think it can be important.
And in actuality now the 2nd test shows the protozoan which would entail a different treatment.
As well.. some patients are being told they have bartonella when they dont..
I would want to know the reality of it.. whether treatment was somewhat of a cross over for the mycplasmsa.
Plus.. I would have to look but the costs might be different and I know many pay for these tests out of pocket and they have the right to know what they are getting.
I think your response that is lax is because you already understand all this and you know what is what..
Many others do not ....
So.... I think there is value in understanding and education about these things..
There has been a lot of negativity around this subject even and lots of times it is because there is lack of understanding what it is that is really going on and seen and tested for etc..
I am just trying to help...
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karenl
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Springshowers,
thanks for posting. I just ordered a new test kit from Fry.
Could you help me to find the right tests please.
I want to test for " what was called bartonella-protozoa...hemobartonella..thing"
and for babesia ( all and also foreign kinds).
Probably for whatever you think makes sense.
I had massive findings from Fry blood smears in the past but all my Igenex and other IGGs ... have been negative.
I definitely like Fry labs.
Thank you so much.If you need more details, please pm.
djf2005
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Spring-
I know you are trying to be helpful.
There are many many threads on this very subject, if you do a search you will see them
People like Bea have been through it and long story short the testing doesnt matter because they dont know how to treat it.
If you have symptoms and test + for mystery bug or protozoa, great, now what?
If you have symptoms but test negative for the same, great, then what?
See where I am going w/ this?
I appreciate your enthusiasm but Bea's attitude and my own and most who have the Fry understanding are not being lax, simply waiting for better info and treatment.
In all reality, they should be doing abx/microbial challenges on these "mystery bugs", not doing thousands of blood smears. But if we found how to treat it effectively, we wouldnt need those smears anymore then would we ?
Best
Derek
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springshowers
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Before I PM you.
There are TWO things now that smears show.
1. Hemopbartonlla / mycoplasma 2. Protozona
Hence the two tests.
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springshowers
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Derek
I get what your saying.. and I totally understand.
But for some they are not even understanding what the tests are or what they mean and are spending money on these tests..
Also they are assuming the tests are for things they are not..
So just trying to help those people.
I have been through it all too.. i have seen him for near 8 years now.. and I got it.
But.. I feel bad when others are told they have something they dont..
This post is for them. For those who do not understand it ...
Thats all... it is for..
I have been contacted many times so I just wanted to post it on here. Those who have followed over the years understand the tests and concepts and newer people dont.
So .. I am sure it will help those people....
There are still doctors ordering the tests and patients too who want to find out if there is maybe a reason for their symptoms that has not been found. Like the above poster.
Even though there is not speicific treatments proven there is from the test a guide at to whether you have it or not and the type of bug.
This has helped me a lot in who I treat and what kind of treatments I choose.
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