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Keebler
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- Thanks.
That's the first link I found but didn't think to scroll all they way down. to see the list.
Over all, seems a decent formula to my lay eyes but then I start thinking. I can't offer a professional opinion but just the sort of thinking through it I've learned from having been around several naturopathic doctors and from some reading.
First, Arjuna is a wonderful herb. I've used it in a support tonic and it really helped me get back a sense of well-being.
I've done well with Terminalia and Yarrow is one of my very favorites. Very calming.
I have some concern about the Cassia. A person can become dependent on this and then the bowels can loose their ability to do what they need to do naturally. Short term should be fine, though.
And, it seems that many of the ingredients are liver stimulants. Depending upon the health of your liver, this could be too much for you, pushing rather than supporting. It could try to make a weak liver work harder and that can backfire. But, with Arjuna and yarrow, that may be enough to balance it all out.
I am not sure if this formula will offer the protection needed from spirochetal toxins or from the abx stress on the liver. You'd need a professional to answer that.
Black Nightshade (Latin name: Solanum nigrum) is the only ingredient listed as a hepoprotective (and the capers to some degree). I'd want to study that in regards to others in that category to be sure you are covered.
Are you also taking other liver protection/support?
Did a LL doctor recommend this to you? If so, forget all my questions and I would defer to the LL ND or LL L.Ac. or whatever kind of herbalist if they are trained and also LL.
Would this be for short-term?
Don't mean to grill you - and you don't have to answer as these are just the questions that come to mind when trying to figure out if something is good. It depends on many factors and I'd want more information.
So, if constipation is a problem, this may help short term. The Cassia provides a push and if one eliminates a lot of waste that has been backed up, they will feel better and the liver will be less stressed. Flax seed meal will do that, too.
I'd just want to know more, though. Others with more experience with these herbs may come along with more thoughts.
in the meantime, some of those herbs may be listed here:
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- In just taking a better look at Cassia, I've learned a few things I did not know. Although there are cautions to be clear about, it's very interesting - and promising - the further I read.
Family: Leguminosae Genus: Cassia Species: occidentalis
Synonyms: Senna occidentalis, Cassia caroliniana, C. ciliata, C. falcata, C. foetida, C. frutescens, C. geminiflora, C. linearis, C. longisiliqua, C. obliquifolia, C. planisiliqua, C. sophera, Ditremexa occidentalis
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- Full article at the link above.
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Then you can also search other herbs to see if they also have a database listed here.
Rain-Tree offers excellent research sources - see the third party sources at the bottom of each page.
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As far as the company itself, what they say sounds good. I usually feel better if a herbalist, ND, L.AC, DC, etc . . . recommends a company.
Still, I see no red flags and they have gone to great lengths to offer links supporting their reputation in professional journals. The section, Liv-52 in the News offers some good verification of their character.
I might want to search a bit more about where/how herbs are grown, etc. but they do seem to be aware and would not have such backing were they to be putting just grass clippings in the capsules.
The more I read here, the more impressed I am. And, I did finally find a chart comparing the protection from this product with Milk Thistle.
Nothing is quick or easy and just the brief looking over this, while taking time, is really just a drop in the bucket each time we investigate a new path.
If you decide to start this, be sure your LLMD is aware - start slowly - and please let us know how it goes.
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I take it since long time to protect my liver. I think it is one of the best liver meds.
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Hubby took 1 or 2 bottles of this. He was also on milk thistle. I had added this on my own. His herbalist suggested switching to danshen and that did seem to work better for hubby. I have run out and need to reorder the danshen powder. Hubby mixed it in applesauce. It improves bloodflow to the liver.
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Keebler
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- Yes, Danshen ( Salvia miltiorrhiza ) is a fabulous herb. I love how much better I feel when taking that. It's very calming for the nervous systems and adrenals, too.
Seven Forests has a Salvia/Ligustrum formula; Pine Mountain has Dan Shen Tablets. And it's also in some of the Hepapro products ( www.hepapro.com )
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