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Andromeda13
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Seen on a CFS/ME forum this morning:

TACDA is the acronym for the American Civil Defence Association.
In one of the documents on their website at www.tacda.org, there are instructions on how to prepare for both chemical and biological attacks.

For example they recommend the most useful antibiotics and medicines to keep in each home for emergency purposes. They then list the biological threats to be prepared for, and out of only 9 such diseases/pathogens, Lyme is number 8.

http://www.tacda.org/academy/academy-basics/TACDA_Academy_CDBasics_4ChemBio.pdf
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Page 9 of the pdf lists, in this order, the organisms which US citizens are advised to prepare for: plague, anthrax, brucellosis, tularemia, cholera, Q fever, glanders, Lyme disease and typhoid.

The mission of TACDA is to provide education, products and resources that empower American citizens with a comprehensive understanding of reasonable preparedness strategies and techniques; promoting a self-reliant, pro-active approach to protecting themselves, their families and their communities in the event of Nuclear, Biological, Chemical or other manmade and natural disasters.

Looking at TACDA's website it's easy to see that they are a well-respected group of people. The board of directors is made up of prestigious doctors, engineers and advisors to the US government.

Such people as Dr. Gerald L. Looney: a native of Bluefield, West Virginia and a graduate of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and the Harvard School of Public Health. He has recently retired as medical director of the Boeing Company Military Transport Division (C-17 Program in Long Beach, CA) and Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine/Occupational Health at the University of California, Irvine (UCI) College of Medicine.

And Dr Gary Marlin Sandquist, a retired US Naval Reserve Commander who has served as technical consultant to industry, universities, state and federal government agencies, and many other technical organisations. He has also contributed to the scientific and technical communities with more than 600 publications in nuclear science, engineering, energy, health physics, and environmental sciences.

Also, Bronius Cikotas, who has 38 years experience working for the DOD, on nuclear weapons effects, threats, systems and infrastructure vulnerabilities, mitigation techniques and the development of various systems to deal with various threats.
As an expert witness, he testified before Congressman Saxton's panel on terrorism. He has briefed and served in an advisory capacity at all levels of Government, National Security Council Staff, White House Military Office, White House Communications Agency, The President's Office of Science and Technology Planning, and the Joint Staff.


These are highly qualified men and women and the bottom line is that they advise that each home has a stock, or access to, doxycycline and other antibiotics in the event of Lyme being used as a bio weapon by terrorists.

Yet the academic doctors who produce guidelines for treatment of Lyme disease assure us that it is hard-to-catch, easily cured and only produces lingering effects in very rare cases. They insist that a tick has to bite for at least 24 hours, and probably several days, before the Lyme disease bacteria are transmitted through their bite. Something just doesn't add up here.

In some areas, cases of Lyme disease are increasing exponentially in number and tens of thousands of victims are finding that there is no cure for Lyme, or that it takes years of treatment to get well. Patients are hoping that a recent day of presentations from doctors (who believe Lyme to be a disease requiring open-ended treatment) will persuade the Infectious Disease Society of America to overhaul the conservative guidelines now in operation. The record of this is here:

http://www.idsociety.org/Content.aspx?id=15026

Lyme patients' main concern is not the fact that all these bacteria can be weaponised; half of the diseases we've never heard of. But when treatment denial and controversy rage, sinister aspects seem to take on more significance.

Which makes it a good idea for the experts on bacteria to come clean on Lyme disease, admit it's a problem, and cough up the money for proper treatment protocols for the many thousands of people whose lives have been ruined.


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abigail
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And defunct their own weapon? In our dreams, according to them, I bet. Am still hopeful IDSA review panel will bear good fruit. Thanks for the validation though. Very interesting if not downright repugnant.

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I guess they must be anticipating that there is a way of making the borrelia bugs float in the air or water. Otherwise, a terrorist would have to buy a herd of deer, and cover them with ticks and make them invade a town or something! Or perhaps it could be attack by tick-infected birds?

I did read about freeze-dried spirochetes, from a paper in pub med, think it was 1965, so is this something to do with a more "efficient" way of spreading Lyme. I don't know enough to be able to imagine how it can work.

It does seem as if the whole idea of the L-form and the cysts is something that's being covered up as much as possible, and it must be the link to weaponised bugs that has caused the denial. But surely the cat is out of the bag and the denialists cannot turn a blind eye any longer?

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Are you Russian? I am surprised you didn't get more responses to this. It is very interesting...although sadly so...

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I watched a terrorist show of the incident of the group that overtook 3 big hotels in India and

killed as many as they could. The gunmen were constantly on the phone to the leader directing

them to kill kill kill. Phone conversations were intercepted by intelligence. They said most of

the gunmen were young as were raised with no other contact except to know that their only goal

in life was to kill. Sad but true, do I think it could happen, yes. We have to watch our back yards.
http://wcbstv.com/national/Mumbai.terrorist.attacks.2.875132.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JL03Df01.html

http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=3880.0;wap2

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Hi Abigail - I am not Russian, what makes you think that? I am in the UK and English, have never met a Russian or visited there.

Andromeda refers to a strain of virus in a very old science fiction film, I think it landed from outer space in a crashed alien craft, but cannot remember it properly.

It's also a name from Greek mythology. Did you think it sounded like a Russian name?

Yes, I thought there would be more interest in the fact that Lyme is not just an ordinary infection , but perhaps everyone thinks it's not relevant.

I personally think it is very relevant to why some doctors keep saying it doesn't exist in a chronic form - they don't want the people to panic and to realise what's been done and the terrible mistakes that were made in bio warfare labs, whether they were in the US, Russia, Britain or Germany.

BTW, 1000 people a year are flying from Sweden to Germany to get treated for Lyme. At least Germany is recognising the disease is chronic, or at least allowing people to get treatment.

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I think ppl aren't responding because we have discussed this before. Its sort of old news.

I don't really agree that this is why doctors don't want to treat us though. Most doctors have no idea about LD. They don't know enough about it to even consider this. Most docs just aren't well educated on LD and thats why they don't treat it.

And as far as the ones that do know about Lyme and won't admit that its chronic; most of them have conflicts of interest that relate to pharma companies. There agenda is mostly about money and greed.

It is an interesting subject though. It most definetly could be used as a bioweapon in my opinion. I believe government has experimented with LD, but not sure that I believe all the conspiracy theories that are out there.

If you consider that fleas off of rats killed millions of ppl way back in the 13th or 14th century or whatever century it was(the black plague); then it is reasonable that LD is just another natural environmental event. I am pretty sure we will never know for sure.

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Hi Southern girl,

you say:

"I don't really agree that this is why doctors don't want to treat us though. Most doctors have no idea about LD. They don't know enough about it to even consider this. Most docs just aren't well educated on LD and thats why they don't treat it."

My point is that I agree it's true most doctors don't know the facts of borreliosis or how to treat it, but then most doctors didn't know about AIDS until the CDC told them what to do about it.
So it isn't the doctors fault, but the ones who set the rules who are to blame.

How are any doctors going to know how to treat a very tricky stealth disease unless central resources and information are put in the medical books and taught at med school. Why are the ones who control the health plans of the country not telling the truth, and deliberately stopping treatment?

Infectious disease must be controlled centrally, by powers above bribery and graft, otherwise a country will sink, so that's why the CDC have quasi-military staff who are loyal to their country, much more than they are inclined to seek wealth.

They have to follow orders, but who is giving those orders?

Those at the top of the pyramid must know how bad Lyme disease has become. They knew before the watershed years of 93/94 and made a decision then to leave us without medical help, and to change the diagnostics to rule out most of the infected victims. This has happened at a level of NATO and the WHO, so they must have virtually given up any idea of curing people, and thus decided to pretend it was all psychological or due to stress.

In their minds, we are the friendly fire casualties of war and the rest of the population must not know in case they panic. Also, knowledge of where the new diseases came from, will undermine the faith or trust in science, medicine, public health and eventually government.

Every step of the way, all we have had is denial. Even denial of where to be on our guard against ticks, with each state saying it's not in my back yard until hundreds are infected.

It all amounts to criminal negligence by public health officials. You're right to remember the old plagues, because this sort of behaviour is truly medieval!

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You're right. UK is not even close to USSR. What a dope! Sorry! Well, anyway, thanks for the post. I found it very enlightening.

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Hey Abigail, did not mean to criticise you, sorry. Here in the UK we are close to Europe and Russia is regarded as part of Europe, whereas you are in the huge continent of America thousands of miles away, so it's understandable.

People here might quite easily go on a holiday to Russia, so we know more about it probably. And our Royal family were related by marriage with the Russian royal family about a hundred years ago.

BTW, the USSR does not exist as such any more, with so many of the old states such as Latvia, Lithuania, and the countries known as the "Stans" all dropping out of the old Soviet Union. That's the limits of my geography - just like I cannot name all of your states in the USA, I cannot think of all the states that were in the USSR!

BW,
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Sutherngirl, you mentioned the financial conflicts of interest that some of the Steerites have, and certainly, that is true. But what about the conflicts of interest that so many of the Steere camp have with the biowarfare research establishment?

What about Phil Baker, the anthrax expert? What about the Lyme programme officer who preceded him, Ed McSweegan, also a biowar scientist?

What about David Dennis and Alan Barbour, to take just two examples, both from the Epidemic Intelligence Service, set up in the 1950's as a crack unit of infectious disease experts specialised in biowarfare, when offensive biowarfare was still legal in the United States?

Today Barbour (whose information as "co-discoverer" of Bb forms the basis of every antibody and antigen test we have for Lyme, and whose BSK culture medium is the standard used by scientists all over the world attempting to grow the Lyme agent) also spends his time heading up one of the most important biowarfare research centres in the US.

What about Mark Klempner, who runs the biowarfare mega-complex in Boston?

What about Allen Steere himself, also an Epidemic Intelligence Officer, just like the officer who arranged for him to take charge of Lyme disease back in the 1970's?

Even Willy Burgdorfer was recruited inn the fifties by the US biowarfare establishment - specifically for his expertise in ticks and borrelia . Why do you think Willy Burgdorfer said, when the "Under our Skin" crew's cameras stopped rolling: "I haven't told you everything."

Yes, you are right, there have been natural plague epidemics throughout history. Natural plague still exists in pockets in an animal reservoir throughout the western world, is monitored, contained, and, is not a threat, at least not in developed countries. Modern disease surveillance, modern hygiene and modern antibiotics have made it so.

Man-made, weaponised plague, (such as Mark Klempner has worked on), is a totally different story - it is a horrific threat.

The connection between Lyme and biowarfare is not "old news". It is the crux of the matter. If we do not force this issue to be exposed, there is no hope for any of us.

I personally will be very surprised if the IDSA do anything other than declare that the Steere camp guidelines were correct after all.

Despite the efforts of Blumenthal and the enormous hard work of our activists in achieving the review, at the end of the day, weeding out those with financial conflicts of interest will not solve the problem. This is because no one is addressing the most fundamental cause of the coverup - the biowarfare issue.

They have only to tske the panel chairmwoman aside, whisper "national security" in her ear, and the IDSA review is a foregone conclusion.

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And as far as the ones that do know about Lyme and won't admit that its chronic; most of them have conflicts of interest that relate to pharma companies. .....

If you consider that fleas off of rats killed millions of ppl way back in the 13th or 14th century or whatever century it was(the black plague); then it is reasonable that LD is just another natural environmental event......



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