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So i recently found out some of my symptoms were due to undiagnosed Babs. This is probably why the nausea and sweating really all day, every day for past 2 years. I'm on track w/ Lyme treatment with 1,000 mg Clarithro, 1,750 Augmention and 500 Flagyl.
But my LLMD says we will "mop up the mess" of whatever lingers after this protocol.
So for now, i want to treat Babs naturally and have Mepron or the alternative Rx waiting in the wings.
I have used Artemisinin for past 2 months at lose dose, but realized Art becomes ineffective if not pulsed.
I have heard enula and crypto something or another may help for Babs. I don't want to buy more supplements unless they truly will do the trick.
Right now, i just have colloidal silver for anti-viral support. Doubt it knocks out Babs because i dont hear many here mention it for that.
Any clues, ideas? I hate the nausea HATE it!
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Anyone? i'm sorta hitting rock bottom with despair over not treating my Babs. Anything could help me, even if you're not entirely sure...i will read it and consider it. I'm not asking for Doctor advice, just wondering if anything natural could even remotely, possibly work that you've tried....
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Since then, my second babesial infection never came back, so it did hit it. Exclusively natural.
I guess each person reacts a bit different, but you'll find some ideas in the post. I was posting under hardynaka then.
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Don't take art without a macrolide or the babesia will become resistant very quickly.
I hope Brussels has some good info for you there!
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I'm not sure that's true. Some Lyme doctors are using Artemisinin without antibiotics at all. I think if it were true that it were leading to resistance, that would be known. Is there more info on that concept available?
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Crypto-Plus Enula/Mora Artemisinin Healthy Directions Bab-1 MMS (though I am not a fan and would not use it again myself)
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I've posted recently the set of herbs i take that keep my (presumed) babesia symptoms to a minimum:
Raintree brand Amazon A-P, 1950 mg, 3x/day w meals, that's 3 pills per dose, a higher dose than they recommend
Elecampane, extract, 40 drops,or 1/4 tsp, 3x/day (substitute for the expensive Enula, whose main ingredient is Elecampane)
Coptis, 40 drops or 1/4 tsp, 3x/day w meals, or 450 mg pill 3x/day w meals
Noni, 1300 mg, 3x/day w meals
Cryptolepis as a backup,; you can get it from Woodlandessence.com; i don't take it very often at all; you might want to take a lot more.
"Quina" by Nutramedix as a backup; empty stomac
pulsed Artemisinin and Artemisia annua, 3 days on, 4 days off. In practice i'm not taking these very often because i'm getting along ok without them. Empty stomac, read about them to determine dose.
Andrographis, 1600 mg, 3x/day w meals--- a Buhner herb for lyme; it may overlap as a Babesia herb too, since Dr H in the 2008 lyme-autism conference video mentions that it is an anti-malarial--- That's what i love about herbals--- almost all the herbs and supplements i take, i later find out that they do more, extra good things than i knew!
Polygonum cuspidatum, (Japanese knotweed), 2000 mg, 3x/day w meals. Buhner says to take Andrographis and Polygonum 4x per day.
Sarsaparilla, 425 mg, 2x/day for detox, cleansing,; i forget how much Buhner recommends. Banderol is not a Buhner herb, it's a Cowden herb.
And other herbs that i take may overlap with a synergy; also i take Bactrim, i think that helps.
Allimax, i take it sometimes when i can afford it, also Zhang's Allicin is maybe cheaper, from Hepapro. Eating raw garlic should help.
GSE, Grapefruit Seed Extract, i take 15 drops, 3x per day in tomato juice with meals; they say it works on lyme cysts. I refuse to take Flagyl.
I haven't found any herb that works on me nearly as strong as an antibiotic.
About silver--- someone posted once that Babesia thrives in a silver environment; i don't know anything more about it than that quote.
Good luck, Polly Polygonum
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Polly Polygonum! I think we took similar herbs to get rid of babesia!!!
If your babesia is still coming, take a look into CARDAMON. It's food in India (spice) and I do believe it has anticystic effects in some babesial infections.
A practioner that follows dr. K. closely is said to be using cardamon too for almost all her lyme patients! It also helps with candida, I believe, and with relieving some herxes. I believe it cleanses the lymph in a good way.
Either cardamon in powder or Noni tincture worked for me.
Nothing is though written about cardamon and babesia, but I did find some literature on killing effects of cardamon (now, don't ask me where... ).
Babesia is a strong and persistent infection and needs a two-sided approach, in my feeling. One for active infection, one for dormant infection, and I didn't find a single herb that acts to kill both forms.
Once main babesial symptoms are doomed, you got to concentrate on the dormant form.
Not only herbal users need multiple guns against babesia. Just see other thousands of posts of abx and drugs, we're all in the same boat when dealing with chronic babesia!
I wonder if photons + homeopathy (or autonosodes) would work with babesia as well as it works for borrelia. Any ideas anyone?
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Hi Selma--- There's a good reason we took similar herbs, since i learned them from you!
Thanks for the encouragement about cardamom; i used to eat it, following your recommendation; but mostly stopped, lacking direct, identifiable, reactions. I have seen cardamom on a list of traditionally-used anti-malarials.
Selma, THANK YOU for the strategy clue, active vs dormant babesia! I didn't know. That's very important!
There are good reasons why you got well, and i just keep on taking herbs to keep the symptoms at a minor minimum---
1) You were playing for keeps, actually trying for a permanent cure; i'm not so ambitious; as long as the symptoms aren't bothering me much, i don't mind taking herbals; and i wasn't really hoping for a cure; i thought i would be disappointed if i tried hard and waged an extreme or stressful campaign. 2) i don't know what i'm doing, i just take what works.
Actually i ran out of Noni this week and i don't notice any difference! I take it because you and Dr K recommend it.
I think i just took a double dose of Raintree Amazon A-P ,6 pills,by mistake, which is triple what they recommend, and it cleared my forehead fog fast! Wow! Am i brave enough to try triple doses on a regular basis?
It's also a bit expensive in pill form! The recipe for the proportions of herbs in their mix is a secret, so i'd have to experiment if i wanted to buy all 8 or 11(?) herbs by the pound and combine proportions.
Fry Labs showed their mystery protozoa in my blood smear, so i don't know which of my symptoms belong to the Fry Labs bug and which to Babesia. I never tested positive for Babesia, though i seem to have similar symptoms, and i responded extremely well to Mepron/Zithromax.
About muscle testing, you'll be interested to know that an LLMD recently did kinesiology muscle-testing on me, and said i tested negative for Babesia. I don't believe it. I believe my symptoms, which, however, could be a different species of Babesia than he tested for, or maybe i've got the Fry Labs protozoa symptoms?
Anyway, THANKS for STRATEGY and encouragement!
---Polly Polygonum
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: [QB] I'm not sure that's true. Some Lyme doctors are using Artemisinin without antibiotics at all. I think if it were true that it were leading to resistance, that would be known. Is there more info on that concept available?
Have heard this for years.
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It's well-known, it's in the news! In an area of Cambodia? or Thailand? an area where they've been taking Artemisinin for malaria recently, has now developed resistance because of the monotherapy.
---Polly Polygonum
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Hello. I just ran across this thread in my babesia quest today.
Yes, it is widely known that you should not take artemesia forms alone. One of the reasons that malaria is becoming difficult to treat is that people in poor nations that suffer from malaria are treating with artemesia forms alone because they cannot afford the drugs.
Because they are not using the herb in a drug combo, the malaria adapts pretty rapidly.
By the way, it happened to me that that by changing my babs combo from mepron/zith to mepron/biaxin that it did adapt. This happens in about 20 percent of patients, according to Dr. Schaller.
Do not take artemsia products alone.
Mary
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Quick question for Scott. You mentioned the following for babs:
Crypto-Plus Enula/Mora Artemisinin Healthy Directions Bab-1 MMS (though I am not a fan and would not use it again myself)
Where do you recommend purchasing each of these. Need babs help fast.
Thanks so much, Mary
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